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we need to stop ******** things up and let them figure it out.


but, we won't. we'll get in the middle of it again, we'll break out into *gasp* world war 3, with propoganda flying even more freely than it is now. most of us will hate the enemy because we're told to. a few of us will be hippies and try to stop everyone from killing. but we won't. we'll lose a lot of men, honor them as heros for fighting because we told them to, and we'll make several billion/trillion dollars from sacking the countries we defeat through the business and economic system.



who wants to bet against me? stare neutral

One thing I forgot to mention is my hatred for the fact that we are dependent on the oil from the middle east. Why we aren't energy independent at this point I will never know.

kp: This isn't just in the middle east anymore its everywhere.

...yes, because they choose to. unfortunately, the stupid will fall victim for the military's schemes. so it is, so it was, and apparently, so it will be. if the soldiers realised that they are only causing more trouble for the wealth of a few, if they quit fighting, there would be no more war, because there would be nobody to fight.


i think that would make an awesome mini-movie thing, somehow word gets out that they are being used, and everyone on the battlefield just takes off their helmets, drop their guns and walk away.

...and no matter what they feel is right or wrong, they are still risking their lives to continue the planet into a downward spiral of hatred and war.

Thanks I.Am for the support. I think a large part of the problem is people's misconceptions about the war. Many thought that it would be an easy takeover, that we'd liberate the oppressed people, fix it up a bit, put in a government and leave, all within a short period of time. The problem is not that Bush handled the war wrong its that he didn't(doesn't?) understand how things work over there. He has failed to take an iron fist to the nation, which would be whats necessary, which would include the following.
1. Immediate imrisonment of any leading figure who voices support for terrorist action.
2. Implementation of a 10-15 year benine dictatorship, then to tansition into democracy after proper education though the population is set up.
3. Ratification of a constitution that sets up what is need throughout the country not by public opinion but by a legislative body.
4. Deporting of all convicted terrorists out of the country, should they not be executed.
Now that may shock some with the freedoms and liberties, democracy is vital to existence mindframe, but the fact is that they are in war and terrorsits have been using the advantage of the governments weakness to throw the country into civil war hoping they could set up another Islamic regime in the aftermath.

As far as allies go I think in the near future we will see more and more european countries giving us aid and fighting terrorism. People in Europe have been indocterinated in the ideals of tolerance to the point that they won't protect themselves even with a gun pointed to their heads. Although I think recently more and more people are waking up in Europe, their governments are doing so less slowly. The policies Europe has implemented across the nation have seriously weakened both the moral and the motivation for survival among the population. Liberal parties in Europe still fail to see the stupidity of their own politicies which have created or failed to correct among other things.
1. Low level of spiritual or religious life. And while this may irk some of you that seek a brick wall between church and state, it is vitally important for a nation to have some type of religious life, and no not necessarily the hardcore extermists view on religion.
2. Low birth rates. Which have created a need for a huge supply of immigrant populations in order to stabilize the workforce, and brings in thousands of musilim extremists.
3. Reduction of bureacracy, promotion of free market economy, and the economic independence of most of Europe. The governments of Europe have become so weighed down by bureaucracy and overregualtion that it has become impossible to expand the economy of Europe. Most countries rely heavily on foreign oil which along with high musilim population puts them at the mercy of the middle east.
Among other things the ineptitude of these governments has lead to a high level of populism, which generally is in favor of conservative politics.

As far as Canada and Australia are concerned, they both have conservative governments are relatively pro-Bush. Although Australia's elections are coming up next year and that may not be true for long.
Japan is just hoping not to be nuked and might be willing to go to war with N. Korea even if we don't.

What has made me the most pissed though is that Isreal gave into that half-a** retarded U.N. proposal which basically leaves Lebanon open and defensless against takeover by Islamic extremists. Even more pissed that Bush gave voted for it instead of vetoing it.

As for those of you who would define themselves as liberal. Some questions I have.
How are we suppose to reason with people that want to kill us?
Why do we spend so much time worring about not hurting anyone, even if those people constantly and without restraint oppress and kill others including, christians, jews, homosexuals, women, moderates within their own communities, ect.
Is it more important to keep to ourselves, even if that means sacrificing more of our own people?

Note to I.Am, we don't have to wait as long as 2008 to see if our country will be able to see if our country will continue the war on terror. If liberal democrats have thier way then they will control both houses of congress, yes a very real scenario, that is becoming more and more likely. Also the primary loss for Lieberman(by far my most favorite politician) shows the democratic party's unwillingness to confront evil where it stands, and instead run back to thier homes and pass resolutions on what bad people the murderers are and ask them to please stop.
WWIII isn't that far away, all it will take is Iran's signal. Now what the United States can determine is wheter that signal will be a nuclear bomb in Tel Aviv or a simple declaration of war. It will depend on how soon the United States and allies will stop screwing around in that usless contraption called the UN, and decide that it needs to take action.

Actually, I'm fairly certain there's no 'd' in Hegemon. Hedgemon sounds like a grass Pokemon. whee

And I agree that we should have looked into other systems for them, at least at first, that would go better with their religion. I think that Democracy is the best system we have, and it works great, but their religion is so much a part of who the nation is it's kind of hard to do the seperation of church and state.

And I disagree with people who say that the seperation of Church and State in the US is disintigrating; Bush's religion may influence the way he thinks, but it's not like he's taking orders from his pastor or anything.

Sorry, I.AM, but i cannot believe in what you are saying. war kills people- more often than not, it is the civilians who are hurt. not our civilians, of course. thiers. and when they do, we shrug it off, call it a part of war.

9/11 is what people in those countries go through every day while we are bombing them. they lose family, friends, lovers and loved ones. and for what? for one man? for one group? we have lost maybe 10,000 civilians in all of our wars that we were not fighting with ourselves in. we have killed, of other countries, millions. it is not fair, it is not right, and it is not acceptable for us to go apeshit when we get the favor returned. honestly, that kind of attitude is like the school bully who has no problem punching kids, but when someone stands up to him and hits back, he breaks their arm.

not everyone in the military is stupid, no. they are, however, not going to solve anything. if they think that killing MORE people will help stop the violence, they are very misguided. we are not defending ourselves anymore. if we want to defend ourselves, we should tighten security. this way, nobody will be able to hurt us AND We will only kill those who wish to do us harm. as it is now, we are only continuing the suffering we felt, but on innocents in another country.

one more thought- even if we are killing terorists, to what gain? so then their sons take up a rifle? so the other members of the community, who saw the building crumble and picked out the bodies of his daughters take arms as well? i realize that we do not always hit civilians, but we do. one time is too often. one child killed, for no reason, is too many.