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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:47 am


Please pardon me and lock this if it has shown up before. I looked around and didn't find any other threads like this, but may have missed one. Also, I was at a bit of a standstill in regards to which forum this belongs in, since it has to do with abortion, but not directly to it. I decided to put it here based on that it had more to do with people's opinions of those in the voters' booths than it does with the clinics themselves.

First of all, I am an aromantic asexual. For those of you who haven't heard of us (and there are quite a few.. we make up a mighty 1% of the population xp ), it means that I am not attracted to ANYONE, be it physically, emotionally, or sexually, in the sense that I would want them as a spouse. I have never been otherwise, and the idea of being otherwise is a little more than gross to me. Needless to say, unless I have a change in orientation later in life or (God forbid!) am raped, I will never be in a situation where I or any potential partner I might have in that far away, off chance I feel the need to have one might have an abortion, unlike the majority of this guild. However, as you can dictate from my presence here, this does not mean that I am not pro-life.
I have heard many people say that gays, lesbians, and asexuals should not have the right to have a say in any argument pertaining to abortion, because they will most likely never be in any situation where they are personally exposed to it (excepting the cases where friends and family become/get someone pregnant, in which case our influence is generally not heeded). On the flip side, it is just as often said that anyone given the chance to form an opinion should be able to express it, as is our constitutional right.

I'm at a bit of a standstill. I've only heard the former argument from Pro-Choicers who, after finding out what I am, take great pleasure in 'reminding' me to mind my own business and that I shouldn't try to control someone else's life when "I couldn't even begin to understand what's going on." Well, I'D like to know if MY neighbors were stuffing babies in their garbage cans, but I guess I'm just not entitled to that, now, am I? razz On the other, what if it really isn't any of my business? As I.Am suggested with his lovely thread in the main forum, most PCers tend to think we are "one trick ponies" and barrade us with their belief that all PLers are against women's choice in general, and their stereotype of us is that 90% of us are males who 'don't have anything to do with the fetus in the first place'. In that sense, asexuals have FAR less to do with anything, since the majority of us have never willingly created another life while we were aware of our orientation.

So, what do you believe? Should gays, lesbians, and asexuals have a right to state what they think on this? Please no flaming minorities, or saying that "asexuality isn't real." While you have the right to believe whatever you want, these opinions aren't relevent to the current conversation and also happen to be pretty rude. neutral
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:07 am


The choicers have thrown that argument at me before, and it's bullshit.

Your own sexuality does NOT, repeat, does NOT dictate your opinion.

If people look at me c**k-eyed the next time I say "I'm pro-life and gay", someone's getting it in the chin. Seriously. heart

For a more expanded version of my opinion, read my blog entry!

http://childrenliving.blogspot.com/2006/07/gay-pro-lifers.html

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karllikespies

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:22 pm


Saying only heterosexuals can debate abortion is like saying only slavemasters can debate the issue of slavery.

Mcphee

If people look at me c**k-eyed the next time I say "I'm pro-choice and gay", someone's getting it in the chin. Seriously. heart
Don't you mean pro-life?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:30 pm


karllikespies
Saying only heterosexuals can debate abortion is like saying only slavemasters can debate the issue of slavery.

Mcphee

If people look at me c**k-eyed the next time I say "I'm pro-choice and gay", someone's getting it in the chin. Seriously. heart
Don't you mean pro-life?

Yes, I did.

Typo.

... gonk

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:36 am


There's an abortion opinion thread in the GPG, and right before Loki changed the guild status those of us in the throws of pregnancy or who hadn't had children yet were being told that we couldn't have a true opinion because we didn't have kids. I think there were a few of us who got those messages over the PMs.

Doesn't matter what your sexual orientation is, if you've got an opinion by all means share it. You'd probably have more information to back your opinion up than those who are telling you that you don't know what you're talking about.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:43 pm


Asexuallity isn't real! scream

...I'm kidding of course. whee Ooh, someone said my thread is lovely! heart

...Anyways, back on topic. That is honestly one of their worst arguments. "You'll never be pregnant, so you don't have the right to an opinion!" The ******** I don't. I'm not a Jew, does that mean I shouldn't have anything against the Holocaust? I'm not Russian, and I never lived in the USSR, does that mean I shouldn't be bothered by the GULAGs? I don't live in Iraq, or Afghanistan, and I'm not a woman, so does that mean I shouldn't be bothered by the way those countries treat women? I'm not from China, does that mean that the forced abortion of third children if they are daughters shouldn't bother me?

The list goes on and on.

Just because a topic theoretically doesn't directly affect you does not mean you do not have the right to have an opinion. We are not against abortion because we're evil people who want to take away the choices of women. We are against abortion because the fetus is a child, and it deserves to get a chance at life.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:00 am


eek

I am PRO CHOICE (in case any of you missed my siggy)

And I think that because of your sexuality, because of anyone's sexuality, that opinions become greater. Having your own insight into things others don't usually try to consider is a WONDERFUL thing, and it by no means limits your opinion, in fact I strongly believe that it widens your POV so that your veiws and beliefs are that much more important to consider.

So say your beliefs loud and proud, because variety is great!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 8:42 am


Ishrie

I have heard many people say that gays, lesbians, and asexuals should not have the right to have a say in any argument pertaining to abortion, because they will most likely never be in any situation where they are personally exposed to it


So there are no gay, lesbian or asexual pro-choicers?

Ohhhh, so it's fine if you think abortion is okay, you're just not allowed to have the pro-life opinion. So they don't really mind you having an opinion, as long as it's the same as theirs. rolleyes

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:25 pm


La Veuve Zin
Ishrie

I have heard many people say that gays, lesbians, and asexuals should not have the right to have a say in any argument pertaining to abortion, because they will most likely never be in any situation where they are personally exposed to it


So there are no gay, lesbian or asexual pro-choicers?

Ohhhh, so it's fine if you think abortion is okay, you're just not allowed to have the pro-life opinion. So they don't really mind you having an opinion, as long as it's the same as theirs. rolleyes

Yeah.

And they say WE are oppressors.

Mhm.
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