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Who is the Villian here to lead Harry into this mess?
  Voldemort
  Draco Malfoy
  Wormtail
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Ervali_Carana

PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:11 pm


Well..... Character discussion... I think people take Malfoy to be the villian too seriously... Afterall, he is only a teen, like Harry. Put him in the position where his family dies if he doesn't help (is that how it goes? I think so... I gotta reread the entire series again) and you get Malfoy who is a puppet to dear ol' Volide. Frankly he is in a way an antagonist but he would not kill. He's like your ordinary school yard bully and nothing more....

Now Voldemort is a different story. How he developed his hatred of Muggles is something I do not get. I mean, I can see why after his father left his mum and she left him at the orphanage but that doesn't lead to full scale mass genocide, does it? Is it possible for one man to bring about the birth of an hatred so strong as to bring such prejudice? What is up with that guy, is what I'm trying to ask.

Like Galinda said in Wicked, "Are people born wicked or do they have wickedness thrust upon them?....Afterall, she (he) had a mother, she (he) had a father like so many do" With Tom Riddle... How did his character change such? What the hell happened to him? It is quite curious, if not perhaps a stupid question. Then again, all of my comments and questions are deemed stupid or irrelevant to the story.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:24 pm


It is a good question, one I unfortunatly cannot fake an answer to. ^_^

GhoulPuppy


PhantomoftheFox

PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:21 pm


Oh, Voldemort's definitely the villain of the series, although Snape might give him a run for his money if it turns out he really is evil.

I agree that people make Draco out to be more important than he is. He's an interesting character on his own, but far from the main villain. He was a decent enough villain substitute in the first couple of booksk but even Harry realizes that Draco isn't a major threat anymore. If anything, I'd consider young mister Malfoy more of a victim, of both Voldemort and himself. His hatred and jealous desire to show Harry up has all but ruined his life.

Peter... I have no idea why he's even on the list... He's more of a weapon than a villain. It's interesting that he's probably the most destructive character in the series, but nothing he does is out of any sort of malice or ambition of his own. All he does is react and try to keep himself safe and comfortable, and he somehow manages to cause more direct damage than anyone else. Unfortunately, the bigger villains in the series seem to know exactly how to use him.

I think it's attributing too much nobility to Voldemort to think that only doing it out of some anti-muggle ideal. He wants power, and while he surely does hate muggles, pureblood supremacy is also the best banner under which to achieve that power.
He didn't start it- anti-muggle prejudice is something that has been lurking just beneath the surface of the wizarding world for centuries before he was even born. He just provided the impetus and the masks.

As for what's really wrong with him... I think it's more a case of a small wickedness gone to extremes than some dramatic turn to darkness. He was always ambitious, ruthless, and desperately craving attention and admiration. Those aren't necessarily evil things in and of themselves, but when left unchecked they can become all-consuming.
biggrin Since we're doing lines from musicals, let me quote Evita on ambition; "It's hungry and cold, can't be controlled, it is mad/Those who are fools are swallowed up whole/And those who are not become what they should not become/Changed; in short they go bad."
Multiply that times ten and throw in a predisposition to insanity and a helping of Dark Arts and it's no wonder he went batshit insane.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:59 am


PhantomoftheFox
Oh, Voldemort's definitely the villain of the series, although Snape might give him a run for his money if it turns out he really is evil.

I agree that people make Draco out to be more important than he is. He's an interesting character on his own, but far from the main villain. He was a decent enough villain substitute in the first couple of booksk but even Harry realizes that Draco isn't a major threat anymore. If anything, I'd consider young mister Malfoy more of a victim, of both Voldemort and himself. His hatred and jealous desire to show Harry up has all but ruined his life.

Peter... I have no idea why he's even on the list... He's more of a weapon than a villain. It's interesting that he's probably the most destructive character in the series, but nothing he does is out of any sort of malice or ambition of his own. All he does is react and try to keep himself safe and comfortable, and he somehow manages to cause more direct damage than anyone else. Unfortunately, the bigger villains in the series seem to know exactly how to use him.


You know your stuff, I'll say. biggrin There is still more to learn-- I have been chastened and thank you for that redface
I think it's attributing too much nobility to Voldemort to think that only doing it out of some anti-muggle ideal. He wants power, and while he surely does hate muggles, pureblood supremacy is also the best banner under which to achieve that power.
He didn't start it- anti-muggle prejudice is something that has been lurking just beneath the surface of the wizarding world for centuries before he was even born. He just provided the impetus and the masks.

As for what's really wrong with him... I think it's more a case of a small wickedness gone to extremes than some dramatic turn to darkness. He was always ambitious, ruthless, and desperately craving attention and admiration. Those aren't necessarily evil things in and of themselves, but when left unchecked they can become all-consuming.
biggrin Since we're doing lines from musicals, let me quote Evita on ambition; "It's hungry and cold, can't be controlled, it is mad/Those who are fools are swallowed up whole/And those who are not become what they should not become/Changed; in short they go bad."
Multiply that times ten and throw in a predisposition to insanity and a helping of Dark Arts and it's no wonder he went batshit insane.

Ervali_Carana


Ervali_Carana

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:00 am


oops! sorry phantomofthefox! Didn't mean to put the comment in the middle of the quote
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:01 am


SaphiraJade
It is a good question, one I unfortunatly cannot fake an answer to. ^_^


Any theories? Mmmm.... There must be other characters we can disect... Drat! I need my morning coffee....

Ervali_Carana


PhantomoftheFox

PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:13 pm


Ervali_Carana
oops! sorry phantomofthefox! Didn't mean to put the comment in the middle of the quote


Meh, no biggie. And no chastening, either... ^-^ Just giving my theories on some of my favorite characters.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:14 pm


What do you think of Hermionie? Is she just an incredibly smart student; a goody two shoes or is there something besides that? I know she has a romantic history of some sort. When you look at her, you see her as a good friend and an intelligent person you would turn to for information though she may seem slightly annoying at times. I don't know about what you think but does J. K. Rowling develop her character well? I know she did Harry well enough for people really like him seeing as that he's an average boy who was caught in exraordianry circumstances. He's a flawed person like every one of us. Malfoy obviously has flaws with his sneers but he does show some humanity in him. Ron seems almost likable with his gawkiness and.... how do you put it? He's almost like a comic relief though it seems as if Fred and George are the true masters of that. Ron's sort of the vulnerable one, the onle who is faliable, more so than Harry. So what is Hermionie? Is her major flaw that makes her human her ability to make people annoyed?

Frankly it's my opinion and I'd like to know your opinions! Post asap! biggrin

Oh, and sorry for the wall of text if that's the correct term. sweatdrop

Ervali_Carana


Numai Outcast

PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:04 pm


i think theres something about hermione that no-one else knows.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:41 pm


Ervali_Carana
What do you think of Hermionie? Is she just an incredibly smart student; a goody two shoes or is there something besides that? I know she has a romantic history of some sort. When you look at her, you see her as a good friend and an intelligent person you would turn to for information though she may seem slightly annoying at times. I don't know about what you think but does J. K. Rowling develop her character well? I know she did Harry well enough for people really like him seeing as that he's an average boy who was caught in exraordianry circumstances. He's a flawed person like every one of us. Malfoy obviously has flaws with his sneers but he does show some humanity in him. Ron seems almost likable with his gawkiness and.... how do you put it? He's almost like a comic relief though it seems as if Fred and George are the true masters of that. Ron's sort of the vulnerable one, the onle who is faliable, more so than Harry. So what is Hermionie? Is her major flaw that makes her human her ability to make people annoyed?

Frankly it's my opinion and I'd like to know your opinions! Post asap! biggrin

Oh, and sorry for the wall of text if that's the correct term. sweatdrop


sweatdrop I so don't pay attention... Pretend it didn't take me five months to notice you'd posted this. *imperio's*

Probably my favorite thing about the books is how she develops the characters as they get older. They're very realistic, even if a couple of the heroes flaws are glossed over becauses Harry has the narrative.
I think JKR is possibly doing a great job of developing Hermione's character. The scary part is that Hermione's character is evolving into something very nasty. In the last few books she's started acting like she thinks she's always right, and that because she's always right she has a right to do whatever she wants. There's a most excellent essay on it at Mugglenet.

PhantomoftheFox


iLizz IV

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:58 pm


wormtail did it!
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