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THINGS TO REMEMBER:

1) I am NOT claiming this to be true.

2) This is nothing more than a theory; I do not believe this and will not without much more proof.

3) Please feel free to discuss this in anyway you'd like, I'm eager to see what everybody thinks.

4) In this theory it relys on MY personaly beliefs, I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong, I'm only stating my own personal opinion. Please do not be offended or think I am trying to push anything on you.

5) For the Mods: If this is not the correct Sub-Forum, I apologize please instruct me on where to post things of this type for future reference.

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Now, I dont know if this theory has been brought up before but...We'll start with this:

I believe that life, existance, ect is far too advanced to be created via evolution(however I do not doubt at all that we DO evolve). Yet I dont believe in a single god or goddess, I do not believe in the Christian God(YAHWEH[SP?] God, Jehovah, I am(for those that want to argue thats his name....and yes there are people are like that lol) but I do think that in some way we were created by god-like spirits, beings. Now say considering this, that the bible is merely the oldest history book that isnt inspired and edited by mankind through the years. Now imagine, that maybe the garden of eden DID exist, maybe Lilith WAS Adam's first wife. Now that we've taken all of this into consideration. It says in some myths thats Lilith rejected the fact that adam tried to force her to take the bottom position during sex and proceeded to "call upon the name of god" and leave the garden of eden to the red sea. Now consider this...what do we do when we invoke a spirit? We use it's name. I think that Lilith knew the name of one of the god-like spirits and invoked it in order to leave the garden of eden. Then the myths proceed to say(this part is taken from wikipedia btw):

"Lilith then went on to mate with Samael and various other demons she found beside the Red Sea, creating countless lilin. Adam urged God to bring Lilith back, so three angels were dispatched after her. When the angels, Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, made threats to kill one hundred of Lilith's demonic children for each day she stayed away, she countered that she would prey eternally upon the descendants of Adam and Eve, who could be saved only by invoking the names of the three angels. She did not return to Adam."

She mated with demons, thus giving birth to countless lilin(or Nephilim). If you add reincarnation to this theory, say when these Nephilim died(or were slain by the above said 3 angels) they reincarnated into human bodies. Now we have countless human bodies with the souls of nephilim, imagine the kind of power and energy a nephilim soul would contain, now try to cram that into a human body which already has so many limits. It would be like trying to pump a pipe with so much water under so much preassure, it would spring leaks or even burst. These leaks would leak everything, not just the excess. Which would explain why vampires need energy from external sources. Also notice how lilith said she would "prey ETERNALLY upon the decendants of Adam and Eve". Hmm? xD...anybody else getting this or should I put 2 and 2 together? Her decendants, Vampires, Nephilim crammed into a tiny container, needing to feed or prey upon mankind. This COULD also be an explanation for why we awaken usually during puberty. A pipe under preassure will hold out for a while, it wont burst immediatly, so it would take a fair ammount of time for the container to not be able to hold the soul's preassure anymore. Also with the body undergoing so many changes during this time, it could weaken the hypothetical "pipe" causing a perfect time for it to burst.

Anyway, just my own theory, I wanted to see what people thought of it. It would be a fairly logical explanation as to where we came from and also at the same time support the widespread belief that vampirism is in the soul not in the body itself.


Final note: once again, please do not be offended if this completely disregards your beliefs, I dont neccasarily believe this theory myself. That is why I continually refer to it as just that, a Theory.


P.S. If you've just read this a few moments ago xD It's because I have also posted it on The Gaian Coven Of Modern Day Vampires Guild and probally posted it in my DeviantART Journal.

Nem, darling, since I know you hate spelling errors, you should reread your post, there are some minor ones.

Personally, I believe Lilith is the merging of several mythos into one. Although, I think primarily she's a succubus. I don't believe that she actually exists.

If there is/are a demon/s using that name, they are using it for emphasis, or as a scare tactic, becuase many people have heard of her, and information (omg the myths on her are ridiculous) is easy to gain. DISCLAIMER: This is entirely an if clause, I am not saying that demons exist, I am putting that they may, personal feelings a side.

I apologize for grammer, and spelling issues, I'm horrendously sick, and lack the attention span to check my own post.

1.) when the use of something is frowned upon as a source in the scholarly world, it is generally a bad idea to use it at all (this would be wikipedia. scholars use the Bible)

2.) No, God and angels are NOT magical beings. they just ARE. I'm not in seminary, nor have I ever been, so I can't explain it better but I could find someone who can, if you really want to know.

3.) I said the Lillith story SUPPOSEDLY was in the Bible. supposedly.

4.) No. Believing in God is NOT ridiculous.

5.) I'm praying for you.

1) What Nem has tried to get across is that the resources that you are using as citations hold little to no credit in the scholarly world. By making a theory based upon those cites you are making a poorly research theory that would be laughed at and almost instantly discredited by anyone looking at it with the intent of debating it or with the intent of branching off your theory.

The bible is recognized as a credited source even though it has been revised. Regardless of how you may feel about the bible, the way in which the scholarly community views it will not change. Wikipedia can be a fictional load of bull s**t. and most would not be the wiser, without even quoting another source, makes it seem like you lack knowledge of what you are theorizing about.

I feel like I should reiterate myself since you haven't gotten Nem's point (even though it was rather well said, and easy to read), your opinion on how corrupt the bible has gotten through the hands of man is not important in the real world. Wikipedia is a crap source on any real essay, thesis, theory, etc.. Religious books that the religion follows, such as the bible are good sources; they are valid sources. Using the bible will get people to give some thought to what you have written, using wikipedia will get you laughed at. I do hope that was clear, I would hate for Nem to continue ranting on this and waste valuble homework time. <3

2) The bible does not view angels or God as magical beings, and unless I'm highly mistaken (forgive me Nem, I am a bad 1/2 Catholic, I haven't been to mass in years) God and the angles are viewed as higher beings. The bible only acknowledges magic as illusions cast by the Devil, Satan, or Lucifer (again forgive me, I have not researched demons in awhile, and I forget if the Devil and Satan are one and the same, I think they are -_-).

3) Quote said piece from the bible, and give your theory at least a valid source. If you know about it shouldn't be hard for you to find. You should have done that in the first place, Nem gets angry if she has to say the same things over again. You lack validity without proof. Just saying it exists does not mean it does.

4)....You're first sentence is not technically a sentence. You're theory would seem ridiculous to most because (again) you lack a valid source (valid as seen by the scholarly community, not you). The idea of Lilith to many is just ridiculous because there is not one set myth to her, there are many different ones, and they are different, they give her different attributes. Believing in something that has so many varied sources is not easy for many, and even if someone believes in it, they tend to only believe parts and pick and choose what they believe in.

5) This is to Nem purely, I <3 your sarcasm. I hope I have done a good job in saving time for you?

6) If this post sounds angry, and aggravated, it is. Partly because of things IRL, and partly because of the lack of reading.