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 Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:11 pm
Just read a bunch of archived fights, and I'd like to say that whoever's spreading the lies about Wolverine vs Hulk is SO full of s**t.
Myth # 1 : Wolverines Claws cannot break Hulk's Skin.
Reality : You're a moron. If they can't break Hulk's skin, why have they SUCCESFULLY DONE SO IN ALMOST EVERY encounter? Let's go back to the beggining, shall we?
The Incredible Hulk Issues #180-181 Wolverine doesn't break Hulk's skin in this fight, but he does strike him hard enough to HURT and ANNOY him, while surviving being slammed into the ground by the not so jolly green giant.
In The Incredible Hulk # 340 they meet again, and Wolverine succesfully rips thorugh the Hulk's arm, FIGHTS THROUGH A THUNDERCLAP, shoves his claws clear through the Hulk's abdomen, and rips open the Hulks back. Indeed, if it were not for Hulks regenerative powers he would have died.
Wolverine Vol 2 Issue # 145 Wolverine, brainwashed by Apocalypse, nearly ends the Hulk for good. His claws are lodged FIRMLY inside the Hulks throat several times quickly as he manages to almost completely sever the Hulk's head. In fact, the only reason the Hulk wasn't slain was that Wolverine began to fight Apocalypse's brainwashing and didn't want to kill the Hulk, The Hulk then Slammed Wolverine into the ground and FLED.
Myth # 2 The Thunderclap would end the fight
"In The Incredible Hulk # 340 they meet again, and Wolverine succesfully rips thorugh the Hulk's arm, FIGHTS THROUGH A THUNDERCLAP, shoves his claws clear through the Hulk's abdomen, and rips open the Hulks back. Indeed, if it were not for Hulks regenerative powers he would have died. " 'nuff said.
Myth # 3 One punch would kill/disable Wolverine
In the aforementioned issues, Wolverine has not only survived DIRECT hits from an angered hulk, but escaped a bear hug, been struck by a tree, and slammed, head first, into the ground during the fight, only to leap back into the frey.
So what it seems like is that in 2 out of the 3 major engagements they've had, Wolverine has clearly come out of the fight in better shape, done more damage, and shown his mettle.
Dispute. I'm researching more.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:13 pm
Yeah, one is full of s**t. It's not that they can't cut him, it's that in several fights they healed too fast for Wolverine to notice he'd actually done any damage. And I'm finding something fishy about that HoA Wolvie/ Hulk fight.
Two, I actually have a scan of Joe Fixit v. Wolvie nearly killing Wolvie with one thunder clap.
Three, yeah, I see Wolvie taking some good punishment and still standing if Hulk isn't in the rage where he can snap adamantium.
And my question, which should be addressed, is Wolvie actually the clear victor in these fights minus the Uber Hulk healing or is this just more of his common Gary-Stuing by Marvel?
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:16 pm
The thunderclap varies hugely in effect from writer to writer, and I have a scan of wolvy fighting through it, too smile . Totally in agreement about point one.
Normal Hulk can't do that (as far as I know, I very well could be wrong on it, but I've only ever seen Ultimate Hulk snap adamantium).
The first fight was a sucker punch victory for Hulk, but wolverine outperformed him during the fight. The second fight was very much a draw with wolverine having clearly caused more damage and discomfort to The Hulk (kind of funny when you have to talk about a fight that way...blasted regeneration lol).
In the Third fight Wolverine housed him pretty bad, and would have neatly decapitated him if he hadn't resisted the brain-washing he was under. I think it's pretty clear that, over the course of there fights, Wolverine can indeed hold his own against the Hulk and actually puts out a LOT more damage then The Hulk does to him, but it largely depends on the writer when it comes to Wolverine's toughness levels and Healing Factor (much like the Thunderclap).
The scan you have of Fixit Hulk doing that is probably from the second fight, Wolverine is thinking about how the thunderclap is almost fatal, even to him, but it doesn't stop him from fighting.
Oh and the decisive victory was against green Hulk (I say victory because Wolverine held him at the cusp of death and let up, which ended with Hulk slamming him and running away).
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:01 pm
Jerhien The thunderclap varies hugely in effect from writer to writer, and I have a scan of wolvy fighting through it, too smile . Totally in agreement about point one. Normal Hulk can't do that (as far as I know, I very well could be wrong on it, but I've only ever seen Ultimate Hulk snap adamantium). The first fight was a sucker punch victory for Hulk, but wolverine outperformed him during the fight. The second fight was very much a draw with wolverine having clearly caused more damage and discomfort to The Hulk (kind of funny when you have to talk about a fight that way...blasted regeneration lol). In the Third fight Wolverine housed him pretty bad, and would have neatly decapitated him if he hadn't resisted the brain-washing he was under. I think it's pretty clear that, over the course of there fights, Wolverine can indeed hold his own against the Hulk and actually puts out a LOT more damage then The Hulk does to him, but it largely depends on the writer when it comes to Wolverine's toughness levels and Healing Factor (much like the Thunderclap). The scan you have of Fixit Hulk doing that is probably from the second fight, Wolverine is thinking about how the thunderclap is almost fatal, even to him, but it doesn't stop him from fighting. Oh and the decisive victory was against green Hulk (I say victory because Wolverine held him at the cusp of death and let up, which ended with Hulk slamming him and running away). I'm rather surprised at these. I've heard very little about The Hulk v. Wolverine encounters be they fact or fiction. I do know that Wolverine first made his appearance as an existing character in Incredible Hulk #180-181. I heard that it was officially declared a draw from Wolverine being declared the victor. But I've never heard anything about anyone saying that Wolverine not standing a chance. They're clearly NOT giving Wolvie enough credit and though there are differences in certain factors due the change of scripters (I both love and hate this) the fact is that whoever thinks this hasn't done his/her homework. Wolvie is a lot tougher than people think. He beat DC Comics Lobo too right? On the other end don't get me wrong, I think The Hulk is an AWESOME character but they're giving him too much credit. Cap's beaten hiim and Spider-Man's beaten him, two other guys that he's hundreds of times outclasses as far as strength and durability is concerned.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:43 am
This is mostly in response to things I've seen referenced in the guild and in the A/M/C, I just got around to doing some research and I wanted to clear it up before anyone else was suckered into it.
As for the Wolvie/Lobo thing, that entire mini-series isn't canon, and the battles were all decided via fan vote...not the writers or creators commo sense.
And yes, I agree, there's a prevailing attitude of disrespect towards Wolverine floating around. All you hear anyone say are things like "Well, Wolverine can beat ANYONE in his own comic" and it's just not true. In fact, any avid reader of Wolverine's would know that at least 70% of wolverines fights end with him being eviscerated or trashed. Used to be Wolverine wasn't able to beat Sabretooth, even, but I'm glad that's changed. Cyber handed wolverine his a** on more then one occasion, Lady Deathstrike's done the job before, too.
Could you tell me where Cap and Spiderman have beaten him? I'd like to be able to reference it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:58 pm
Ok, before I reply to anything Hulk v. Wolverine there's something much more pressing I saw when skimming.
DC vs. Marvel was nothing but a Fanboy wetdream. Superman beat the Hulk with one punch. Wolverine beat Lobo. Namor lost to Arthur. It was all utter bullshit.
In fact, Lobo said in his own comics that some "bald guy" paid Lobo to throw the fight against Wolverine.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:04 pm
I want entire scans from that Death Wolvie fight because I'm calling it complete and utter gary-stuing, Wolvie godmoding bull s**t.
But now, I do have an explanation where Wolvie could deal such a level of damage to the green skin. A while back I was reading some scans from Deadpool and found a fight between ol' Wade and the raging beastie. Wade flipped out when he managed to impale the Hulk on a rusty street sign. Supposedly, the Hulk contracted some disease that was screwing with his Invulnerability. Now, if this was during that period of time, then my gripe is moot, if not, it stands.
And before anyone, which I hope no one will, gripes about how Wolvie isn't godmoded by writers, just compare Days of Future Past Wolverine vs. a Sentinel to Wolverine vs. Nitro.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:17 pm
Alright, the scans are coming, but I'm just about sick to death of people bitching about Wolverine's God-moding...no one seems to mind Spidermans or the Hulks...do they?
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:23 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:28 pm
Jerhien Alright, the scans are coming, but I'm just about sick to death of people bitching about Wolverine's God-moding...no one seems to mind Spidermans or the Hulks...do they?
Where are you getting Spidey from?
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:05 pm
Well it just seems like every character does incredible things during there own comics, in almost any comic label, but people only really notice when they want to bash on a popular character. Spiderman, for instance, is only supposed to be able to lift 10 tons, but now everyone's saying 40 tons for spidey.
Every character, in there own series, does something that they shouldn't be able to do. Hell most characters do something they shouldn't be able to do every 6 or 7 issues, Spiderman included. Look at how inconsistent his spider sense has been, sometimes it's full precog sometimes it's just a tingle.
I think the important thing to remember is that ALL characters perform HEROIC FEATS (they are Super-Hero's after all, right? And I'm not using the phrase god-moding anymore) and the whining we see from continuity freaks in relation to that is really stupid, and in a lot of ways puts a strangle-hold on the industry and constricts creative license for new writers.
The long and the short of it is that wolverine DID it that time, during that one particular fight. He's fought Hulk succesfully several times over his career, and that should be enough for people to chew on.
I mean, Spiderman DID defeat Firelord after all. The Hulk beat the Abomination, the Avengers beat Korvak and Nefaria, super-heroics are about defying the odds, and the heat you'll get for supporting that idea is ridiculous.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:07 pm
Oh and on that topic, someone was claiming that spiderman's abilities shoot WAY up when he's frightened or under a lot of stress....what super-hero's abilities DON'T do that, really?
(edit--Well Except for Gladiator and Prime lol)
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:29 pm
I'll look at the scans in a second, but Avengers beating Korvac or Nefaria and Hulk beating Abomination are hardly in the same place as Spidey vs. Firelord when it comes to unlikability.
And there's still the point that Wolvie is, in my opinion, The Spectre of Marvel. His powers go down to norm or jack high on the whim of the writer.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:32 pm
In those scans I only see Wolvie getting the s**t kicked out of him.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:00 pm
Q_short for Q In those scans I only see Wolvie getting the s**t kicked out of him. There's more to the comic that I don't have, and in one of those scans wolverine has his claws DEEP in Hulk's throat.
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