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Totle
Crew

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:20 pm


As Noco mentioned, there are rumors about a BR5 in the makings. But let me clarify one thing first. Bloody Roar 4 sucked! Yes, you could see Nagi's boobs, and Reiji was pretty cool and some of the 3rd costumes were decent (like Uriko's and Alice's) but the game as a whole blew and was unworthy of the title Bloody Roar.

Now to rectify this mistake and make sure it never happens again, I turn to you BRG to come up with some awsome ideas as to what you would include or take out for Bloody Roar 5.

I'll start-

-First off, I'd like more costumes for the characters. Similar to BR2 but rather than simply color variation, I'm talking whole new wardrobe.
-While we're on the note of clothing, I move to make sure clothing does not regenerate when you revert to human form. This simply makes no sense and adds a cheese factor to the game. Granted this could be problematic with the female characters... but look at Dead or Alive. Girls in bikinis... fighting. Sex sells, get over it.
-I'd also take out the ring outs. Environment changes were cool. Hitting people against a truck was awsome. Breaking through fences to lead to a more open area, better. But ring outs in stage 72 of survival mode no longer cut it. Take it out

So those are a couple ideas. Doesn't have to be long, but I do expect at least two sentences for every idea. (Because its cool or its lame doesn't cut it)

Annnnnd.... you're off!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:31 pm


:B Grr, you don't know how annoying I find Dead or Alive. Hell, if I want to see softcore porn, I'm going to get my softcore porn. Not DoA. At least with the porn I get to see an actual boob. Geeze.

Besides the point!

Bloody Roar 5, eh? Let's see...

- My biggest peeve, recreating the combos so that they are harder to do. Pressing down, diagnal then right plus square isn't the hardest thing I've ever done in a game. I want some challenge! I don't care if this was made for button smashers!

- In depth story lines. Sure, a fighting game is all about fighting. But I like to know why I'm fighting.

- Hand in hand with the story lines, but I want to know more about the characters and their pasts. Plus their current situations. Bloody Roar 2 was awesome with that. Then BR3 went downhill from there.

- Like you said, new wardrobes. gonk I don't want recolorings. I don't want an added attachment (like Jenny's outfit from BR2 to BR 3. Same red office suit, just a golden band around her thigh was more or less added). I want crazy outfits that are nothing alike. Like Uriko from BR2!

Hrm, I can't think of anything else. :B I'll get back to you on some more.

Roi-chan
Vice Captain

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Captain

PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:45 pm


Honestly? I want to see Uriko in an outfit reminiscent of the 1920s flappers. It would be entirely adorable, and totally fitting who she is. Like Roi said, too, I want some character development and storyline! I think a combo of games two and four would be best.

Totle
Granted this could be problematic with the female characters... but look at Dead or Alive. Girls in bikinis... fighting. Sex sells, get over it.


Now, this could be my Sexism and the Humanities class talking, but I'm pretty sure this is the most mysogynistic thing you've said in the history of my knowing you.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:15 pm


I don't think so. I actually don't think its misogynistic because, perhaps there's a misunderstanding

I was implying that with a man, if he ribs his shirt off... that's not that big a deal. So with the mechanism I'd be describing, the shirt would be ripped off if the body is to grow into an animal form. This would be problematic because it would logically lead to women being topless which is why I they probably did clothing regeneration. So I was thinking around the lines of tatterred rags covering their breast. Now thats borderline and because of that I pointed out the DoA example of it being acceptable. Why? Cuz sex sells.

I do hope I didn't offend you, that was not my intent. I was simply pointing out an opposing arguement for those in favor of clothing regeneration

Totle
Crew

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Captain

PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:33 pm


Totle
I don't think so. I actually don't think its misogynistic because, perhaps there's a misunderstanding

I was implying that with a man, if he ribs his shirt off... that's not that big a deal. So with the mechanism I'd be describing, the shirt would be ripped off if the body is to grow into an animal form. This would be problematic because it would logically lead to women being topless which is why I they probably did clothing regeneration. So I was thinking around the lines of tatterred rags covering their breast. Now thats borderline and because of that I pointed out the DoA example of it being acceptable. Why? Cuz sex sells.

I do hope I didn't offend you, that was not my intent. I was simply pointing out an opposing arguement for those in favor of clothing regeneration
I'm taking issue with your argument about how I should just "get over" the fact that people exploit women to sell more video games.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:08 pm


get over it in the sense that no matter how much we, as individuals, b***h about it the companies aren't going to change. Its not just america, its the entire world. Its very unfortunate that women have been degraded and I sympathize. But its simply one of those things that we have to bear because we can't do anything about it.

Again, I apologize if I offended you.

Totle
Crew

Gallant Reveler


DC-Chan

Mega Noob

PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:33 pm


Hmm...More special features, like screenshots and concept art. Oh, and the thing about the outfits being crazy and stuff, like Noco said, that would be sweet. I think Gado should have a little hat, like a French beret, because he's French. Oh, yeah, and more special features, like screenshots and concept art. That's all I really care about in the game so far.

I'm simplistic, so sue me.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:37 pm


Totle
get over it in the sense that no matter how much we, as individuals, b***h about it the companies aren't going to change. Its not just america, its the entire world. Its very unfortunate that women have been degraded and I sympathize. But its simply one of those things that we have to bear because we can't do anything about it.

Again, I apologize if I offended you.


And sitting around with our hands folded in our laps is going to do so much more good, right? I'm pretty sure women got that argument used on them when we were trying to get the right to vote.

You say that you sympathize to the fact that women get degraded. Yet, you've openly acknowledged the fact that regenerating the clothing was brought about to dodge a MA-rated bullet, and still suggest that the girls should just be wearing tattered rags over their breasts after beastorizing, citing DoA volleyball and "sex sells" as your defense, and that I should "get over it" because protesting obviously isn't going to do anything.

Totally Tampons!
Captain


DC-Chan

Mega Noob

PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:00 pm


Totally Tampons!
Totle
get over it in the sense that no matter how much we, as individuals, b***h about it the companies aren't going to change. Its not just america, its the entire world. Its very unfortunate that women have been degraded and I sympathize. But its simply one of those things that we have to bear because we can't do anything about it.

Again, I apologize if I offended you.


And sitting around with our hands folded in our laps is going to do so much more good, right? I'm pretty sure women got that argument used on them when we were trying to get the right to vote.

You say that you sympathize to the fact that women get degraded. Yet, you've openly acknowledged the fact that regenerating the clothing was brought about to dodge a MA-rated bullet, and still suggest that the girls should just be wearing tattered rags over their breasts after beastorizing, citing DoA volleyball and "sex sells" as your defense, and that I should "get over it" because protesting obviously isn't going to do anything.


b***h SLAP!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:57 am


Well I think they sould keep the career mode but make it more of a challenge. I like the idea of makeing my person stonger and faster so if i play my friends who have never played before I can slaughter them twisted .

Tehy should also put all the charter in it and some new ones. I like a veriety of chacters in my fighting games.

girman7


Nudge Nudge

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:16 pm


The clothes changing after beastorizing thing would be good, but not completely ripped... for example, Alice has no pants/skirt whilst in rabbit form. sweatdrop

Er... a character creation mode? It'd be fairly complicated, but if they could at least make it to where you could customize your character's looks, I'd be rather pleased.

Um! Make it so that you can completely turn the direction of a special attack! I mean, say you're Alice fighting Yugo and he uses his special attack(the one where he kicks you into the air and then bodyslams you down, I forget the name). In the middle of that, by pressing the right buttons, you should be able to perform Alice's special attack before he finishes.

I'll think of something else later, I assure you.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:37 pm


Totally Tampons!
Totle
get over it in the sense that no matter how much we, as individuals, b***h about it the companies aren't going to change. Its not just america, its the entire world. Its very unfortunate that women have been degraded and I sympathize. But its simply one of those things that we have to bear because we can't do anything about it.

Again, I apologize if I offended you.


And sitting around with our hands folded in our laps is going to do so much more good, right? I'm pretty sure women got that argument used on them when we were trying to get the right to vote.

You say that you sympathize to the fact that women get degraded. Yet, you've openly acknowledged the fact that regenerating the clothing was brought about to dodge a MA-rated bullet, and still suggest that the girls should just be wearing tattered rags over their breasts after beastorizing, citing DoA volleyball and "sex sells" as your defense, and that I should "get over it" because protesting obviously isn't going to do anything.


I'm simply suggesting this so that the game has a more realistic feel to it. As well you can't compare the right to vote to exposure. At car shows you could have up to the 3 girls in the skimpiest bikini. And why are they there?
No one's sure...

I do sympathize that women are degraded. But I like to think video games are an expression of art. Are we to condem statues and paintings of Aphrodite simply because her breasts are exposed? No, but it degrades women. Its the earliest form of pornography... yet we appreciate it for its beauty. Get over it to those neo-puritans who would damn hellfire on game creators for showing off the female body. Its an expression of art.

Totle
Crew

Gallant Reveler


Totally Tampons!
Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:58 pm


Totle

I'm simply suggesting this so that the game has a more realistic feel to it.


This video game is about people that turn into animals, and you're trying to add things for the sake of realism? What, no angry rants about how the gushing blood was later replaced by sparks?

Tier

As well you can't compare the right to vote to exposure. At car shows you could have up to the 3 girls in the skimpiest bikini. And why are they there?
No one's sure...


I'm not talking about comparing women's voting to exposure. I'm taking about you telling me that us (as in the guild) voicing our opinions on an issue won't get anything done. I used suffrage as an example of where this reasoning was used and ultimately failed, as that was one of the more notable times in history where women were told to sit down and shut up.

By the way, I'm pretty sure you know why those girls are there, and you summed it up right before you told me to get over it. Sex sells. You know damn well that putting a bunch of half-naked women on top of a car at car shows is going to draw in more of the target male audience, thus drawing a bigger crowd that'll hopefully buy more of whatever's being sold.


Tier
I do sympathize that women are degraded.


O RLY?

Tier
But I like to think video games are an expression of art. Are we to condem statues and paintings of Aphrodite simply because her breasts are exposed? No, but it degrades women. Its the earliest form of pornography... yet we appreciate it for its beauty. Get over it to those neo-puritans who would damn hellfire on game creators for showing off the female body. Its an expression of art.


Now, I wasn't around at the time of the Rennaisance, but I'm pretty sure that the classical masters weren't trying to mass-market something to hordes of drooling, pubescent boys.

The fact that you state the classical depiction of Aphrodite as "degrading to women" and the bouncing funbags found in every fighting game with halfway-decent resolution as "showing off the female body" is laughable. There's a difference between showcasing the female figure and flat-out exploiting it to draw potential buyers.

I'm not a neo puritan, as you seem to be trying to allude to. I'm a young woman who's sick and tired of seeing women treated like tools to be used to a more profitable end.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:16 pm


K, you're making this personal. I'm not directing anything at you, nor am I calling you a neo-puritan. I'm refering to those who still fight to get video games off the market because they're "inappropriate" for children. (those who think that all games end in columbine incident)

Turning into animals has nothing to do with clothes magically reappearing. Sparks and blood? No connection. That's something else I could have added but the clothing is what bugged me more. Cars part was sarcasm- obviously legions of women spread eagle on the hood of a car will attract buyers.

Again, voting targeted a gender, not a small group of people that enjoy a game.

As for the paintings and statues, they were placed in very public places as propaganda for the artist. In that day and age, it was showcasing.

Totle
Crew

Gallant Reveler


DC-Chan

Mega Noob

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:28 pm


First off, you think that the Aphrodite was created during the Renaissance period. That's a big "no" in my Art History journal. All famous" Aphrodites' were created during the Classical Greek period or the revival of the Classical period later on by Botticelli, creating "The Birth of Venus" most people think of when they think of the godess of love.

Video games are not an expression of art. Yes, I am aware I might be yelled at by many fans, but it is considered "modern" art, very loosely, and that is most often looked down in the art community. It does not have a purpose, besides blowing up zombies or creating a large fan base, and it does not actually have a piece of the artist's soul in it. Also, it can be mass reproduced.

Video games degrade women. Classical art does not.

You never see any picture of the godess without her looking beautiful, so much that she could be seen without clothing and people would not be automatically be drawn to her breasts, which many video games profit from.

Do you ever notice that the breasts the game characters have a somewhat dis-proportionate to the characters size? That is not the way with Classical art, where the breasts are seen to actual be smaler than normal, because Classical art was all about humility because it was created by the Greeks, who saw over-large body parts in art as disgusting and vile. Thus it lives on today in most classical art.

And please, do not degrade Aphrodite by comparing her with, say, the Dead or Alive characters or the skimpy-bikini girls at car shows.
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