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sianabob
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:08 pm


So what do you think about the war and the tactics that have been used through out OIF- Operation Iraqi Freedom. United States have claimed victory a while back but yet there is still a battle to be won.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:10 pm


just my personal debate:


I fully support what has been done in Iraq, I do not support the few soldiers that have placed a bad name for the US military by their poor actions. I do think that we should stop pulling troops and shortening the deployment periods but I do not think at this point we can pull out fully.

sianabob
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sgt_puggles
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:13 pm


i think that the government is doing what it can. but i do think that they need to hurry up and win.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:28 pm


Personally I think The US has no reason to be in Iraq.
That's just my opinion.

Mirianu


Bigblackwhip101

PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:08 am


While it was important to go into Iraq, and try to silence that terror cell, I think staying in Iraq is a problem. I agree Sadam needed to go, but we had no right to stay and try and give them a new government. Would I love to help them? Yes, but we can't if you look over history it took years before democracy could come into play, Iraq is on a whole other evolution rate when it comes to it, they are not yet ready. They are safe with their old government, all we are doing is angering them. Look how long it took us before we finally decided we wanted certain rights and freedoms, going in and telling them they get certain rights, that the way they have been living and the government controlling them is completley wrong puts them on the defense. Religion is very big in Iraq, it will always be part of the government no matter how small, so by us trying to seperate them like here in the U.S. We are causing more problems. And how can we call this a war on terror? Terror is a feeling, nothing more, a adjective to describe how one feels in a certain situation, are we fighting a feeling here? Or are we fighting the squads of killers who do things for their own causes and beliefs?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:45 am


A fact for you to look up... back when we were in the middle east fighting communism helping the middle east defend themselves we gave them training and weapons. I don't have a source but I remember debating the point several years ago... we actually trained Osama Bin Laden. We used geurila tactics in the caves they now hide in... and once the war was over we stayed and rebuilt and attempted to influence them to follow our beliefs.

Why do you think Osama has a problem with the US? They lost the war after all... instead of communist beliefs we forced our own on them and they never got the chance to fight us back - to protect themselves for us.


When the US goes into other nations and rebuilds all we do is create our own future problems, all we do is create the grudges that in the future bring us back down. We "just tried to help" but did much more than that.



Considering the national debt and considering these facts - that most all nations we've rebuilt become angry with us by our doing so... I am against what we are doing in Iraq. We should send aid to try and help... we could have soldiers there to help enforce their laws until they get back on their feet. But forcing a free election? Still searching for terrorists? We're only asking for another Osama Bin Laden...

Nation Building is not something the US should continue to engage in.

The_Transmogrified


Ramarama

PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:55 am


All war is stupid.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:42 pm


war is often required

sgt_puggles
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BrokenxSun

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:29 pm


This is just one of those situations where you can't just look at what is going on and judge it. Then it would be competely unfair to our Goverment.

If you take into consideration what dent we've made in terrorism between Dessert Storm and 9/11 what we are doing today looks amazing. There was absolutly nothing done by Clinton to take security against terrorists. Infact, I grew up not knowing that forgin terrorists even exsiting in the United States. If Clinton had taken more percussions, then it's safe to say that 9/11 could have been avoided.

Now we move on to what Bush has done. Like people tried to say Sr. Bush was after the oil in Dessert Storm, they claim that W. Bush is doing the same thing. Wrong. Thats just what people use for a reason not to like them. A lot of people only repeat it because they heard it somewhere else and thought it sounded good. They should be shot (and this is why I don't rule the US; I'd just shoot the people I don't like).

Iraq has come a long way to freedom, which is amazing. The fact is, a lot of people don't seem to get is that constitutionaism isn't always the best form of Goverment. Louis IVX did pretty well with absolitism if I dare to say so myself. People need to work FOR the goverment and then the goverment protects the people and make sure streets are paved and stoplights are working, and such things as the justices system and law enforcements are up and working properly. Over all, one can't know if Iraq is ready for the freedoms we are trying to give them.

Next, we need to stay in. Divide and conquer. Fact is, innocents always get hurt and always die in war. We need to stop p***y-footing around and just DO what we came to do and stop being nice and supportive. Maybe if countries were terrified of the United States Military we'd get more done. The atom bombs on Japan. So what if it wasn't nice, what was needed to be done was done. (Did you know that the Japanese emperor had surrendered but one of the generals had kept it quite. if the general hadn't tried to keep it quite and just let the war end, then the bombs would have never had been droped. Oh what you learn on the history channel.)



All this is just an example of why I should not be a ruler. I'd be a dictator and a tyrant. Nothing too wrong in that. What can I say, I don't like putting up with s**t.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:33 pm


Ramarama
All war is stupid.


Humans are flawed, violant creatures. Just because war is 'stupid' doesn't mean it will go away. War and fighting is a fact of life and engraved in our being. Someone hurts us and we strike back.

Girl fights are stupid too... but those seem to never go away.

BrokenxSun


BrokenxSun

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:36 pm


The_Transmogrified
A fact for you to look up... back when we were in the middle east fighting communism helping the middle east defend themselves we gave them training and weapons. I don't have a source but I remember debating the point several years ago... we actually trained Osama Bin Laden. We used geurila tactics in the caves they now hide in... and once the war was over we stayed and rebuilt and attempted to influence them to follow our beliefs.

Why do you think Osama has a problem with the US? They lost the war after all... instead of communist beliefs we forced our own on them and they never got the chance to fight us back - to protect themselves for us.


When the US goes into other nations and rebuilds all we do is create our own future problems, all we do is create the grudges that in the future bring us back down. We "just tried to help" but did much more than that.



Considering the national debt and considering these facts - that most all nations we've rebuilt become angry with us by our doing so... I am against what we are doing in Iraq. We should send aid to try and help... we could have soldiers there to help enforce their laws until they get back on their feet. But forcing a free election? Still searching for terrorists? We're only asking for another Osama Bin Laden...

Nation Building is not something the US should continue to engage in.




I agree.
The only real reason we should rebuild someone is if we are claiming it as our own. Takeing the land and makeing it part of the US.
-shrugs-
The Prince is amazing.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:31 pm


i like the way you think kid. kudos to thinking first.

sgt_puggles
Vice Captain


knight_of_iron

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:58 am


there is going to be a civil war in iraq weather we are there or not. If we stay in, american lives mite be stuck in the crossfire. But if we cut are losses and leave we could be saving many american lives. in my opinion i have no idea why the hell we are still fighting this war. Its like a bloody, costly, dual with no prize money. I support the troops but i dont support the war.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:07 am


x_Broken_x_Sun_x
This is just one of those situations where you can't just look at what is going on and judge it. Then it would be competely unfair to our Goverment.

If you take into consideration what dent we've made in terrorism between Dessert Storm and 9/11 what we are doing today looks amazing. There was absolutly nothing done by Clinton to take security against terrorists. Infact, I grew up not knowing that forgin terrorists even exsiting in the United States. If Clinton had taken more percussions, then it's safe to say that 9/11 could have been avoided.

Now we move on to what Bush has done. Like people tried to say Sr. Bush was after the oil in Dessert Storm, they claim that W. Bush is doing the same thing. Wrong. Thats just what people use for a reason not to like them. A lot of people only repeat it because they heard it somewhere else and thought it sounded good. They should be shot (and this is why I don't rule the US; I'd just shoot the people I don't like).

Iraq has come a long way to freedom, which is amazing. The fact is, a lot of people don't seem to get is that constitutionaism isn't always the best form of Goverment. Louis IVX did pretty well with absolitism if I dare to say so myself. People need to work FOR the goverment and then the goverment protects the people and make sure streets are paved and stoplights are working, and such things as the justices system and law enforcements are up and working properly. Over all, one can't know if Iraq is ready for the freedoms we are trying to give them.

Next, we need to stay in. Divide and conquer. Fact is, innocents always get hurt and always die in war. We need to stop p***y-footing around and just DO what we came to do and stop being nice and supportive. Maybe if countries were terrified of the United States Military we'd get more done. The atom bombs on Japan. So what if it wasn't nice, what was needed to be done was done. (Did you know that the Japanese emperor had surrendered but one of the generals had kept it quite. if the general hadn't tried to keep it quite and just let the war end, then the bombs would have never had been droped. Oh what you learn on the history channel.)



All this is just an example of why I should not be a ruler. I'd be a dictator and a tyrant. Nothing too wrong in that. What can I say, I don't like putting up with s**t.
you arent getting the point here! do you understand how many lives have been lost! You have to view this as a war not a side tracked mission! bush was told there wasent wepons of mass destruction in irag but he went in any way! I am not trying to say there should be no precautions taken agensed terrorisum but we are going too far! (heak bush actualy signed an agreement with congress agensed the use of tourcher and then later claimed it some how dosent aply to him!). i am starting to see why the rest of the world hates us! as stated by news papers in the bush vs. kerry election "how could 51% of amiricans be so dumb"

knight_of_iron


Death4790

PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:14 am


i blame congress!!!
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