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Do you like Sonic X?
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Balisong

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:43 pm


Talk about Sonic X in this thread, what your favorite episode is, what your fave. character is, whatever. Sonic X discussion only!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:50 pm


My fav ep is the one where thry build the Xplane, it's the best.

taken123
Crew


Balisong

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:01 pm


My favorite would have to be the one where Knuckles is chasing these robots, and he accidentally walks into that strip club and he's got this hilarious look on his face xd
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:30 am


I wish I could find a space for "up to a point".

Cut and pasted from a longer rant that I had elsewhere on what I thought of each Sonic cartoon series.

Spoilers for episodes that haven't been shown in the UK (where we've seen up to and including episode 39) or US yet are marked out but written in white, to make sure that no-one reads them accidentally. Highlight them to view.

Ask for the other summaries - AoStH, SatAM, the original Sonic: the Movie OVA nd SU - if you really want to smile ):

Sonic X:

(Note: this is based on viewing of the dub up until episode 39, and the complete subbed series, but concentrates mostly on generalisations of the two and the sub in particular.)

This is where I change my viewpoint slightly.

Normally, I judge each Sonic continuity on its own individual merits, rather than its closeness to the games' standard of "Sonic-ness".

But when a series is so faithfiully borrowing from the games and obviously making an effort to do so, I reserve my right to resent what I see as pointless deviations from that.

It looks lovely. The characters seem to've stepped right out of the games, right down to the use of locations, devices and the occasional power-up, as the plots follow recognisable game lines.

The Japanese soundtrack was nifty, with a good vocal range and plenty of catchy - and appropriate - incidental music. I have a selection of MP3s from it on my hard drive.

It's a shame about the cookie cutter Saturday morning soundtrack of the US dub, which simply doesn't have the same impact. Watch both versions of episode 26 for a case in point.

The plots - after episode 26, at least - largely step right out of the games, too. Except for one thing.

Those pesky humans.

Especially one very, very pesky human.

Chris "Sonic, don't leave me or I'll kill myself!" Thorndyke.

It still defeats me why the series had to focus on quite so many humans in the first place. But at least most of them seemed to have some sort of use in developing the furries, even if they shared the furries' roles sometimes (Chuck's technical aptitude, for instance).

Chuck provided a mentor for Tails. Ella provided a mentor for Amy and a mother figure for Cream. Sam game Sonic a rival. Topaz gave the loner Rouge someone to spar with (since Knux wasn't always around), and allowed us to see that the bat could care about things other than jewels.

Even the other kids were semi-bearable, but they weren't over-used. Frances and Danny were just refreshingly normal, and I thought that Helen was a great idea.

I'm sorry, but it was just nice to see the complete juxtaposition between a character who relies on speed as his one outstanding trait, and a character who couldn't even walk. It gave Sonic an opportunity to think about things, and even visibly care.

But Chris had no role other than that of parasite, leeching the roles of the central furry cast as necessary and cramming them into the background. The only furry character who seemed to get any sustained screen time in his own right apart from Sonic was Knuckles - and that was because the series kept his loner persona intact enough for him to be giving Sonic and Chris' red hot love-in a wide berth for most of the time.

Best friend/sidekick from Tails.

SpoilersShadow's conscience from Rouge and AmyEnd spoilers

And "character psychotically in love with Sonic" from Amy, to the point where he made so many moist doe eyes in the hedgehog's direction that I don't know why the animators didn't just turn the series into yaoi and get it over with.

The fact is that there was simply no reason for him to be there. From his first meeting with Robotnik (in episode four) onwards, he proved to be nothing more than a whiny, none too bright liability whose only outstanding traits were an uncanny ability to get captured an an extremely loud crybaby scream.

Yet mysteriously, Tails still had to build an extra seat in the X-Tornado for him (just because he asked), so that rather than leaving the adventuring to the characters who knew what they were doing, the brat could just sit in the back seat, enjoy the view, and make everyone else's job more difficult by needing babysitting at every turn.

This continued even after he proved that his only concern was not losing his wonderful new living toys, and he didn't care which bits of the world he blew up in the process.

SatAM was Sally's story rather than Sonic's, and Sonic X was Chris'.

I think that we were supposed to feel sorry for this poor little rich kid whose parents were away all the time, and who suddenly got these exciting new friends and all of these adventures.

But the fact is that, as far as I'm concerned, he was a spoilt brat who acted about a quarter of his twelve years. Even if I was looking at this from the angle of a series that just happened to have Sonic in it, rather than a Sonic series, I don't find Chris a likeable lead in the slightest.

And this had the knock-on effect (especially after episode 50), of making Sonic fairly unlikeable, too. SpoilersIf he hung off Chris' every word because Chris saved his life, I'm sure Tails should bear that in mind the next time the Tornado's the only thing between Sonic and a blue and red greasy smear on the landscape.End spoilers

With the exception of Cream, Rouge and Shadow, the furries had all had at least a decade's worth of character development in their own right, and are all characters more aggressively marketed in Japan.

So it's not as though the series needed a human kiddie to guide us through these characters' personalities or paper over any cracks in our knowledge, like Pokémon. And stories of human kiddies having to learn life's lessons've been done to death - just why did a franchise like Sonic absolutely need to get involved in one?

For me, two of the best episodes are the first and last ones - the ones which prove conclusively that Sonic X could tell perfectly good stories with minimal human interference, and Sonic's new boyfriend only showing up for five minutes at the end.

Spoilers:If these new episodes of Chris X (forgive my sarcasm) that're supposely in the pipeline really do happen, the time differences between Sonic's world and Chris' will hopefully mean that the dimensional warp at the end of episode 52 was a red herring, and the series can actualy concentrate on being a Sonic cartoon.End Spoilers

My favourite episodes haven't been screened in the US yet, so I won't spoil them for you.

Nuala


silverscarab

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:44 am


Well, if the show showed more of and different sides of knuckles It'd be much better on my scale. As well, if they would stop calling him Dr. Eggman! It's Robotnik, geesh. scream
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:00 pm


im sorry you guys i love sonic n'all


but sonic x is not good i mean if your gonna make another sonic cartoon then
if you can make it better than the last one

Krystal_Crosses


Nuala

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:56 am


silverscarab
Well, if the show showed more of and different sides of knuckles It'd be much better on my scale. As well, if they would stop calling him Dr. Eggman! It's Robotnik, geesh. scream


His name's been Eggman in Japan ever since the franchise began. Calling him that from Sonic Adventure onwards was just bringing the UK and US into line.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:14 pm


Nuala
silverscarab
Well, if the show showed more of and different sides of knuckles It'd be much better on my scale. As well, if they would stop calling him Dr. Eggman! It's Robotnik, geesh. scream


His name's been Eggman in Japan ever since the franchise began. Calling him that from Sonic Adventure onwards was just bringing the UK and US into line.
?????but what about the comics??? confused

Krystal_Crosses


Balisong

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:09 pm


Nuala
I wish I could find a space for "up to a point".

Cut and pasted from a longer rant that I had elsewhere on what I thought of each Sonic cartoon series.

Spoilers for episodes that haven't been shown in the UK (where we've seen up to and including episode 39) or US yet are marked out but written in white, to make sure that no-one reads them accidentally. Highlight them to view.

Ask for the other summaries - AoStH, SatAM, the original Sonic: the Movie OVA nd SU - if you really want to smile ):

Sonic X:

(Note: this is based on viewing of the dub up until episode 39, and the complete subbed series, but concentrates mostly on generalisations of the two and the sub in particular.)

This is where I change my viewpoint slightly.

Normally, I judge each Sonic continuity on its own individual merits, rather than its closeness to the games' standard of "Sonic-ness".

But when a series is so faithfiully borrowing from the games and obviously making an effort to do so, I reserve my right to resent what I see as pointless deviations from that.

It looks lovely. The characters seem to've stepped right out of the games, right down to the use of locations, devices and the occasional power-up, as the plots follow recognisable game lines.

The Japanese soundtrack was nifty, with a good vocal range and plenty of catchy - and appropriate - incidental music. I have a selection of MP3s from it on my hard drive.

It's a shame about the cookie cutter Saturday morning soundtrack of the US dub, which simply doesn't have the same impact. Watch both versions of episode 26 for a case in point.

The plots - after episode 26, at least - largely step right out of the games, too. Except for one thing.

Those pesky humans.

Especially one very, very pesky human.

Chris "Sonic, don't leave me or I'll kill myself!" Thorndyke.

It still defeats me why the series had to focus on quite so many humans in the first place. But at least most of them seemed to have some sort of use in developing the furries, even if they shared the furries' roles sometimes (Chuck's technical aptitude, for instance).

Chuck provided a mentor for Tails. Ella provided a mentor for Amy and a mother figure for Cream. Sam game Sonic a rival. Topaz gave the loner Rouge someone to spar with (since Knux wasn't always around), and allowed us to see that the bat could care about things other than jewels.

Even the other kids were semi-bearable, but they weren't over-used. Frances and Danny were just refreshingly normal, and I thought that Helen was a great idea.

I'm sorry, but it was just nice to see the complete juxtaposition between a character who relies on speed as his one outstanding trait, and a character who couldn't even walk. It gave Sonic an opportunity to think about things, and even visibly care.

But Chris had no role other than that of parasite, leeching the roles of the central furry cast as necessary and cramming them into the background. The only furry character who seemed to get any sustained screen time in his own right apart from Sonic was Knuckles - and that was because the series kept his loner persona intact enough for him to be giving Sonic and Chris' red hot love-in a wide berth for most of the time.

Best friend/sidekick from Tails.

SpoilersShadow's conscience from Rouge and AmyEnd spoilers

And "character psychotically in love with Sonic" from Amy, to the point where he made so many moist doe eyes in the hedgehog's direction that I don't know why the animators didn't just turn the series into yaoi and get it over with.

The fact is that there was simply no reason for him to be there. From his first meeting with Robotnik (in episode four) onwards, he proved to be nothing more than a whiny, none too bright liability whose only outstanding traits were an uncanny ability to get captured an an extremely loud crybaby scream.

Yet mysteriously, Tails still had to build an extra seat in the X-Tornado for him (just because he asked), so that rather than leaving the adventuring to the characters who knew what they were doing, the brat could just sit in the back seat, enjoy the view, and make everyone else's job more difficult by needing babysitting at every turn.

This continued even after he proved that his only concern was not losing his wonderful new living toys, and he didn't care which bits of the world he blew up in the process.

SatAM was Sally's story rather than Sonic's, and Sonic X was Chris'.

I think that we were supposed to feel sorry for this poor little rich kid whose parents were away all the time, and who suddenly got these exciting new friends and all of these adventures.

But the fact is that, as far as I'm concerned, he was a spoilt brat who acted about a quarter of his twelve years. Even if I was looking at this from the angle of a series that just happened to have Sonic in it, rather than a Sonic series, I don't find Chris a likeable lead in the slightest.

And this had the knock-on effect (especially after episode 50), of making Sonic fairly unlikeable, too. SpoilersIf he hung off Chris' every word because Chris saved his life, I'm sure Tails should bear that in mind the next time the Tornado's the only thing between Sonic and a blue and red greasy smear on the landscape.End spoilers

With the exception of Cream, Rouge and Shadow, the furries had all had at least a decade's worth of character development in their own right, and are all characters more aggressively marketed in Japan.

So it's not as though the series needed a human kiddie to guide us through these characters' personalities or paper over any cracks in our knowledge, like Pokémon. And stories of human kiddies having to learn life's lessons've been done to death - just why did a franchise like Sonic absolutely need to get involved in one?

For me, two of the best episodes are the first and last ones - the ones which prove conclusively that Sonic X could tell perfectly good stories with minimal human interference, and Sonic's new boyfriend only showing up for five minutes at the end.

Spoilers:If these new episodes of Chris X (forgive my sarcasm) that're supposely in the pipeline really do happen, the time differences between Sonic's world and Chris' will hopefully mean that the dimensional warp at the end of episode 52 was a red herring, and the series can actualy concentrate on being a Sonic cartoon.End Spoilers

My favourite episodes haven't been screened in the US yet, so I won't spoil them for you.


There is only one thing that this composition proved to me. That little Chris kid is a dumbass xd
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:33 pm


Balisong
Nuala
I wish I could find a space for "up to a point".

Cut and pasted from a longer rant that I had elsewhere on what I thought of each Sonic cartoon series.

Spoilers for episodes that haven't been shown in the UK (where we've seen up to and including episode 39) or US yet are marked out but written in white, to make sure that no-one reads them accidentally. Highlight them to view.

Ask for the other summaries - AoStH, SatAM, the original Sonic: the Movie OVA nd SU - if you really want to smile ):

Sonic X:

(Note: this is based on viewing of the dub up until episode 39, and the complete subbed series, but concentrates mostly on generalisations of the two and the sub in particular.)

This is where I change my viewpoint slightly.

Normally, I judge each Sonic continuity on its own individual merits, rather than its closeness to the games' standard of "Sonic-ness".

But when a series is so faithfiully borrowing from the games and obviously making an effort to do so, I reserve my right to resent what I see as pointless deviations from that.

It looks lovely. The characters seem to've stepped right out of the games, right down to the use of locations, devices and the occasional power-up, as the plots follow recognisable game lines.

The Japanese soundtrack was nifty, with a good vocal range and plenty of catchy - and appropriate - incidental music. I have a selection of MP3s from it on my hard drive.

It's a shame about the cookie cutter Saturday morning soundtrack of the US dub, which simply doesn't have the same impact. Watch both versions of episode 26 for a case in point.

The plots - after episode 26, at least - largely step right out of the games, too. Except for one thing.

Those pesky humans.

Especially one very, very pesky human.

Chris "Sonic, don't leave me or I'll kill myself!" Thorndyke.

It still defeats me why the series had to focus on quite so many humans in the first place. But at least most of them seemed to have some sort of use in developing the furries, even if they shared the furries' roles sometimes (Chuck's technical aptitude, for instance).

Chuck provided a mentor for Tails. Ella provided a mentor for Amy and a mother figure for Cream. Sam game Sonic a rival. Topaz gave the loner Rouge someone to spar with (since Knux wasn't always around), and allowed us to see that the bat could care about things other than jewels.

Even the other kids were semi-bearable, but they weren't over-used. Frances and Danny were just refreshingly normal, and I thought that Helen was a great idea.

I'm sorry, but it was just nice to see the complete juxtaposition between a character who relies on speed as his one outstanding trait, and a character who couldn't even walk. It gave Sonic an opportunity to think about things, and even visibly care.

But Chris had no role other than that of parasite, leeching the roles of the central furry cast as necessary and cramming them into the background. The only furry character who seemed to get any sustained screen time in his own right apart from Sonic was Knuckles - and that was because the series kept his loner persona intact enough for him to be giving Sonic and Chris' red hot love-in a wide berth for most of the time.

Best friend/sidekick from Tails.

SpoilersShadow's conscience from Rouge and AmyEnd spoilers

And "character psychotically in love with Sonic" from Amy, to the point where he made so many moist doe eyes in the hedgehog's direction that I don't know why the animators didn't just turn the series into yaoi and get it over with.

The fact is that there was simply no reason for him to be there. From his first meeting with Robotnik (in episode four) onwards, he proved to be nothing more than a whiny, none too bright liability whose only outstanding traits were an uncanny ability to get captured an an extremely loud crybaby scream.

Yet mysteriously, Tails still had to build an extra seat in the X-Tornado for him (just because he asked), so that rather than leaving the adventuring to the characters who knew what they were doing, the brat could just sit in the back seat, enjoy the view, and make everyone else's job more difficult by needing babysitting at every turn.

This continued even after he proved that his only concern was not losing his wonderful new living toys, and he didn't care which bits of the world he blew up in the process.

SatAM was Sally's story rather than Sonic's, and Sonic X was Chris'.

I think that we were supposed to feel sorry for this poor little rich kid whose parents were away all the time, and who suddenly got these exciting new friends and all of these adventures.

But the fact is that, as far as I'm concerned, he was a spoilt brat who acted about a quarter of his twelve years. Even if I was looking at this from the angle of a series that just happened to have Sonic in it, rather than a Sonic series, I don't find Chris a likeable lead in the slightest.

And this had the knock-on effect (especially after episode 50), of making Sonic fairly unlikeable, too. SpoilersIf he hung off Chris' every word because Chris saved his life, I'm sure Tails should bear that in mind the next time the Tornado's the only thing between Sonic and a blue and red greasy smear on the landscape.End spoilers

With the exception of Cream, Rouge and Shadow, the furries had all had at least a decade's worth of character development in their own right, and are all characters more aggressively marketed in Japan.

So it's not as though the series needed a human kiddie to guide us through these characters' personalities or paper over any cracks in our knowledge, like Pokémon. And stories of human kiddies having to learn life's lessons've been done to death - just why did a franchise like Sonic absolutely need to get involved in one?

For me, two of the best episodes are the first and last ones - the ones which prove conclusively that Sonic X could tell perfectly good stories with minimal human interference, and Sonic's new boyfriend only showing up for five minutes at the end.

Spoilers:If these new episodes of Chris X (forgive my sarcasm) that're supposely in the pipeline really do happen, the time differences between Sonic's world and Chris' will hopefully mean that the dimensional warp at the end of episode 52 was a red herring, and the series can actualy concentrate on being a Sonic cartoon.End Spoilers

My favourite episodes haven't been screened in the US yet, so I won't spoil them for you.


There is only one thing that this composition proved to me. That little Chris kid is a dumbass xd
i dun like him stare

Krystal_Crosses


Balisong

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:34 pm


Krystal_EZ69
Balisong
Nuala
I wish I could find a space for "up to a point".

Cut and pasted from a longer rant that I had elsewhere on what I thought of each Sonic cartoon series.

Spoilers for episodes that haven't been shown in the UK (where we've seen up to and including episode 39) or US yet are marked out but written in white, to make sure that no-one reads them accidentally. Highlight them to view.

Ask for the other summaries - AoStH, SatAM, the original Sonic: the Movie OVA nd SU - if you really want to smile ):

Sonic X:

(Note: this is based on viewing of the dub up until episode 39, and the complete subbed series, but concentrates mostly on generalisations of the two and the sub in particular.)

This is where I change my viewpoint slightly.

Normally, I judge each Sonic continuity on its own individual merits, rather than its closeness to the games' standard of "Sonic-ness".

But when a series is so faithfiully borrowing from the games and obviously making an effort to do so, I reserve my right to resent what I see as pointless deviations from that.

It looks lovely. The characters seem to've stepped right out of the games, right down to the use of locations, devices and the occasional power-up, as the plots follow recognisable game lines.

The Japanese soundtrack was nifty, with a good vocal range and plenty of catchy - and appropriate - incidental music. I have a selection of MP3s from it on my hard drive.

It's a shame about the cookie cutter Saturday morning soundtrack of the US dub, which simply doesn't have the same impact. Watch both versions of episode 26 for a case in point.

The plots - after episode 26, at least - largely step right out of the games, too. Except for one thing.

Those pesky humans.

Especially one very, very pesky human.

Chris "Sonic, don't leave me or I'll kill myself!" Thorndyke.

It still defeats me why the series had to focus on quite so many humans in the first place. But at least most of them seemed to have some sort of use in developing the furries, even if they shared the furries' roles sometimes (Chuck's technical aptitude, for instance).

Chuck provided a mentor for Tails. Ella provided a mentor for Amy and a mother figure for Cream. Sam game Sonic a rival. Topaz gave the loner Rouge someone to spar with (since Knux wasn't always around), and allowed us to see that the bat could care about things other than jewels.

Even the other kids were semi-bearable, but they weren't over-used. Frances and Danny were just refreshingly normal, and I thought that Helen was a great idea.

I'm sorry, but it was just nice to see the complete juxtaposition between a character who relies on speed as his one outstanding trait, and a character who couldn't even walk. It gave Sonic an opportunity to think about things, and even visibly care.

But Chris had no role other than that of parasite, leeching the roles of the central furry cast as necessary and cramming them into the background. The only furry character who seemed to get any sustained screen time in his own right apart from Sonic was Knuckles - and that was because the series kept his loner persona intact enough for him to be giving Sonic and Chris' red hot love-in a wide berth for most of the time.

Best friend/sidekick from Tails.

SpoilersShadow's conscience from Rouge and AmyEnd spoilers

And "character psychotically in love with Sonic" from Amy, to the point where he made so many moist doe eyes in the hedgehog's direction that I don't know why the animators didn't just turn the series into yaoi and get it over with.

The fact is that there was simply no reason for him to be there. From his first meeting with Robotnik (in episode four) onwards, he proved to be nothing more than a whiny, none too bright liability whose only outstanding traits were an uncanny ability to get captured an an extremely loud crybaby scream.

Yet mysteriously, Tails still had to build an extra seat in the X-Tornado for him (just because he asked), so that rather than leaving the adventuring to the characters who knew what they were doing, the brat could just sit in the back seat, enjoy the view, and make everyone else's job more difficult by needing babysitting at every turn.

This continued even after he proved that his only concern was not losing his wonderful new living toys, and he didn't care which bits of the world he blew up in the process.

SatAM was Sally's story rather than Sonic's, and Sonic X was Chris'.

I think that we were supposed to feel sorry for this poor little rich kid whose parents were away all the time, and who suddenly got these exciting new friends and all of these adventures.

But the fact is that, as far as I'm concerned, he was a spoilt brat who acted about a quarter of his twelve years. Even if I was looking at this from the angle of a series that just happened to have Sonic in it, rather than a Sonic series, I don't find Chris a likeable lead in the slightest.

And this had the knock-on effect (especially after episode 50), of making Sonic fairly unlikeable, too. SpoilersIf he hung off Chris' every word because Chris saved his life, I'm sure Tails should bear that in mind the next time the Tornado's the only thing between Sonic and a blue and red greasy smear on the landscape.End spoilers

With the exception of Cream, Rouge and Shadow, the furries had all had at least a decade's worth of character development in their own right, and are all characters more aggressively marketed in Japan.

So it's not as though the series needed a human kiddie to guide us through these characters' personalities or paper over any cracks in our knowledge, like Pokémon. And stories of human kiddies having to learn life's lessons've been done to death - just why did a franchise like Sonic absolutely need to get involved in one?

For me, two of the best episodes are the first and last ones - the ones which prove conclusively that Sonic X could tell perfectly good stories with minimal human interference, and Sonic's new boyfriend only showing up for five minutes at the end.

Spoilers:If these new episodes of Chris X (forgive my sarcasm) that're supposely in the pipeline really do happen, the time differences between Sonic's world and Chris' will hopefully mean that the dimensional warp at the end of episode 52 was a red herring, and the series can actualy concentrate on being a Sonic cartoon.End Spoilers

My favourite episodes haven't been screened in the US yet, so I won't spoil them for you.


There is only one thing that this composition proved to me. That little Chris kid is a dumbass xd
i dun like him stare

Yeah, poor Sonic is stuck with him too.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:36 pm


Balisong
Krystal_EZ69
Balisong
Nuala
I wish I could find a space for "up to a point".

Cut and pasted from a longer rant that I had elsewhere on what I thought of each Sonic cartoon series.

Spoilers for episodes that haven't been shown in the UK (where we've seen up to and including episode 39) or US yet are marked out but written in white, to make sure that no-one reads them accidentally. Highlight them to view.

Ask for the other summaries - AoStH, SatAM, the original Sonic: the Movie OVA nd SU - if you really want to smile ):

Sonic X:

(Note: this is based on viewing of the dub up until episode 39, and the complete subbed series, but concentrates mostly on generalisations of the two and the sub in particular.)

This is where I change my viewpoint slightly.

Normally, I judge each Sonic continuity on its own individual merits, rather than its closeness to the games' standard of "Sonic-ness".

But when a series is so faithfiully borrowing from the games and obviously making an effort to do so, I reserve my right to resent what I see as pointless deviations from that.

It looks lovely. The characters seem to've stepped right out of the games, right down to the use of locations, devices and the occasional power-up, as the plots follow recognisable game lines.

The Japanese soundtrack was nifty, with a good vocal range and plenty of catchy - and appropriate - incidental music. I have a selection of MP3s from it on my hard drive.

It's a shame about the cookie cutter Saturday morning soundtrack of the US dub, which simply doesn't have the same impact. Watch both versions of episode 26 for a case in point.

The plots - after episode 26, at least - largely step right out of the games, too. Except for one thing.

Those pesky humans.

Especially one very, very pesky human.

Chris "Sonic, don't leave me or I'll kill myself!" Thorndyke.

It still defeats me why the series had to focus on quite so many humans in the first place. But at least most of them seemed to have some sort of use in developing the furries, even if they shared the furries' roles sometimes (Chuck's technical aptitude, for instance).

Chuck provided a mentor for Tails. Ella provided a mentor for Amy and a mother figure for Cream. Sam game Sonic a rival. Topaz gave the loner Rouge someone to spar with (since Knux wasn't always around), and allowed us to see that the bat could care about things other than jewels.

Even the other kids were semi-bearable, but they weren't over-used. Frances and Danny were just refreshingly normal, and I thought that Helen was a great idea.

I'm sorry, but it was just nice to see the complete juxtaposition between a character who relies on speed as his one outstanding trait, and a character who couldn't even walk. It gave Sonic an opportunity to think about things, and even visibly care.

But Chris had no role other than that of parasite, leeching the roles of the central furry cast as necessary and cramming them into the background. The only furry character who seemed to get any sustained screen time in his own right apart from Sonic was Knuckles - and that was because the series kept his loner persona intact enough for him to be giving Sonic and Chris' red hot love-in a wide berth for most of the time.

Best friend/sidekick from Tails.

SpoilersShadow's conscience from Rouge and AmyEnd spoilers

And "character psychotically in love with Sonic" from Amy, to the point where he made so many moist doe eyes in the hedgehog's direction that I don't know why the animators didn't just turn the series into yaoi and get it over with.

The fact is that there was simply no reason for him to be there. From his first meeting with Robotnik (in episode four) onwards, he proved to be nothing more than a whiny, none too bright liability whose only outstanding traits were an uncanny ability to get captured an an extremely loud crybaby scream.

Yet mysteriously, Tails still had to build an extra seat in the X-Tornado for him (just because he asked), so that rather than leaving the adventuring to the characters who knew what they were doing, the brat could just sit in the back seat, enjoy the view, and make everyone else's job more difficult by needing babysitting at every turn.

This continued even after he proved that his only concern was not losing his wonderful new living toys, and he didn't care which bits of the world he blew up in the process.

SatAM was Sally's story rather than Sonic's, and Sonic X was Chris'.

I think that we were supposed to feel sorry for this poor little rich kid whose parents were away all the time, and who suddenly got these exciting new friends and all of these adventures.

But the fact is that, as far as I'm concerned, he was a spoilt brat who acted about a quarter of his twelve years. Even if I was looking at this from the angle of a series that just happened to have Sonic in it, rather than a Sonic series, I don't find Chris a likeable lead in the slightest.

And this had the knock-on effect (especially after episode 50), of making Sonic fairly unlikeable, too. SpoilersIf he hung off Chris' every word because Chris saved his life, I'm sure Tails should bear that in mind the next time the Tornado's the only thing between Sonic and a blue and red greasy smear on the landscape.End spoilers

With the exception of Cream, Rouge and Shadow, the furries had all had at least a decade's worth of character development in their own right, and are all characters more aggressively marketed in Japan.

So it's not as though the series needed a human kiddie to guide us through these characters' personalities or paper over any cracks in our knowledge, like Pokémon. And stories of human kiddies having to learn life's lessons've been done to death - just why did a franchise like Sonic absolutely need to get involved in one?

For me, two of the best episodes are the first and last ones - the ones which prove conclusively that Sonic X could tell perfectly good stories with minimal human interference, and Sonic's new boyfriend only showing up for five minutes at the end.

Spoilers:If these new episodes of Chris X (forgive my sarcasm) that're supposely in the pipeline really do happen, the time differences between Sonic's world and Chris' will hopefully mean that the dimensional warp at the end of episode 52 was a red herring, and the series can actualy concentrate on being a Sonic cartoon.End Spoilers

My favourite episodes haven't been screened in the US yet, so I won't spoil them for you.


There is only one thing that this composition proved to me. That little Chris kid is a dumbass xd
i dun like him stare

Yeah, poor Sonic is stuck with him too.
crying i weep for him

Krystal_Crosses


Balisong

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:38 pm


Krystal_EZ69
Balisong
Krystal_EZ69
Balisong
Nuala
I wish I could find a space for "up to a point".

Cut and pasted from a longer rant that I had elsewhere on what I thought of each Sonic cartoon series.

Spoilers for episodes that haven't been shown in the UK (where we've seen up to and including episode 39) or US yet are marked out but written in white, to make sure that no-one reads them accidentally. Highlight them to view.

Ask for the other summaries - AoStH, SatAM, the original Sonic: the Movie OVA nd SU - if you really want to smile ):

Sonic X:

(Note: this is based on viewing of the dub up until episode 39, and the complete subbed series, but concentrates mostly on generalisations of the two and the sub in particular.)

This is where I change my viewpoint slightly.

Normally, I judge each Sonic continuity on its own individual merits, rather than its closeness to the games' standard of "Sonic-ness".

But when a series is so faithfiully borrowing from the games and obviously making an effort to do so, I reserve my right to resent what I see as pointless deviations from that.

It looks lovely. The characters seem to've stepped right out of the games, right down to the use of locations, devices and the occasional power-up, as the plots follow recognisable game lines.

The Japanese soundtrack was nifty, with a good vocal range and plenty of catchy - and appropriate - incidental music. I have a selection of MP3s from it on my hard drive.

It's a shame about the cookie cutter Saturday morning soundtrack of the US dub, which simply doesn't have the same impact. Watch both versions of episode 26 for a case in point.

The plots - after episode 26, at least - largely step right out of the games, too. Except for one thing.

Those pesky humans.

Especially one very, very pesky human.

Chris "Sonic, don't leave me or I'll kill myself!" Thorndyke.

It still defeats me why the series had to focus on quite so many humans in the first place. But at least most of them seemed to have some sort of use in developing the furries, even if they shared the furries' roles sometimes (Chuck's technical aptitude, for instance).

Chuck provided a mentor for Tails. Ella provided a mentor for Amy and a mother figure for Cream. Sam game Sonic a rival. Topaz gave the loner Rouge someone to spar with (since Knux wasn't always around), and allowed us to see that the bat could care about things other than jewels.

Even the other kids were semi-bearable, but they weren't over-used. Frances and Danny were just refreshingly normal, and I thought that Helen was a great idea.

I'm sorry, but it was just nice to see the complete juxtaposition between a character who relies on speed as his one outstanding trait, and a character who couldn't even walk. It gave Sonic an opportunity to think about things, and even visibly care.

But Chris had no role other than that of parasite, leeching the roles of the central furry cast as necessary and cramming them into the background. The only furry character who seemed to get any sustained screen time in his own right apart from Sonic was Knuckles - and that was because the series kept his loner persona intact enough for him to be giving Sonic and Chris' red hot love-in a wide berth for most of the time.

Best friend/sidekick from Tails.

SpoilersShadow's conscience from Rouge and AmyEnd spoilers

And "character psychotically in love with Sonic" from Amy, to the point where he made so many moist doe eyes in the hedgehog's direction that I don't know why the animators didn't just turn the series into yaoi and get it over with.

The fact is that there was simply no reason for him to be there. From his first meeting with Robotnik (in episode four) onwards, he proved to be nothing more than a whiny, none too bright liability whose only outstanding traits were an uncanny ability to get captured an an extremely loud crybaby scream.

Yet mysteriously, Tails still had to build an extra seat in the X-Tornado for him (just because he asked), so that rather than leaving the adventuring to the characters who knew what they were doing, the brat could just sit in the back seat, enjoy the view, and make everyone else's job more difficult by needing babysitting at every turn.

This continued even after he proved that his only concern was not losing his wonderful new living toys, and he didn't care which bits of the world he blew up in the process.

SatAM was Sally's story rather than Sonic's, and Sonic X was Chris'.

I think that we were supposed to feel sorry for this poor little rich kid whose parents were away all the time, and who suddenly got these exciting new friends and all of these adventures.

But the fact is that, as far as I'm concerned, he was a spoilt brat who acted about a quarter of his twelve years. Even if I was looking at this from the angle of a series that just happened to have Sonic in it, rather than a Sonic series, I don't find Chris a likeable lead in the slightest.

And this had the knock-on effect (especially after episode 50), of making Sonic fairly unlikeable, too. SpoilersIf he hung off Chris' every word because Chris saved his life, I'm sure Tails should bear that in mind the next time the Tornado's the only thing between Sonic and a blue and red greasy smear on the landscape.End spoilers

With the exception of Cream, Rouge and Shadow, the furries had all had at least a decade's worth of character development in their own right, and are all characters more aggressively marketed in Japan.

So it's not as though the series needed a human kiddie to guide us through these characters' personalities or paper over any cracks in our knowledge, like Pokémon. And stories of human kiddies having to learn life's lessons've been done to death - just why did a franchise like Sonic absolutely need to get involved in one?

For me, two of the best episodes are the first and last ones - the ones which prove conclusively that Sonic X could tell perfectly good stories with minimal human interference, and Sonic's new boyfriend only showing up for five minutes at the end.

Spoilers:If these new episodes of Chris X (forgive my sarcasm) that're supposely in the pipeline really do happen, the time differences between Sonic's world and Chris' will hopefully mean that the dimensional warp at the end of episode 52 was a red herring, and the series can actualy concentrate on being a Sonic cartoon.End Spoilers

My favourite episodes haven't been screened in the US yet, so I won't spoil them for you.


There is only one thing that this composition proved to me. That little Chris kid is a dumbass xd
i dun like him stare

Yeah, poor Sonic is stuck with him too.
crying i weep for him


Yeah, poor guy. Although it's funny about cartoons sometimes, if he wanted to, Sonic could just run like a Bat out of Hell and get away from the little pest, anytime he wanted to. But I gues the animators don't want to do that because it would screw up the whole storyline :/
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:39 pm


gonk i guess yur right...still stressed i hate him!

Krystal_Crosses


Balisong

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:48 pm


Krystal_EZ69
gonk i guess yur right...still stressed i hate him!


Yeah! scream Down with that little pest! (It's Amy's job to pester Sonic anyway)
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