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 Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:30 pm
I posted a thread like this in one of my other guilds and got alot of good replys so figured it would be a good one to put up here too just to see where people stand on these subjects.
Topic
Curses
Conversation topics
whats your deffinition of a curse?
Is it ever ok to curse someone?
under what circumstances would it be ok?
have you ever cursed anyone?
What happened?
Did you later regret it?
Karma / three fold law
I know these two are diffrent things but they are very simular to one another some people believe in karma but not the three fold law and some the three fold law but not karma
I would like just your general view for this one how you feel about one the other or bolth do you believe in them do you follow the rules or are they just set in place to keep us from doing irrational things that could harm others?
Curses
under some circumstances it is indeed ok to curse someone perhaps to keep them from doing harm to themselfs or others or if they have intentionaly seriousely wronged/hurt a very close friend or family member.
Karma/Three fold law
I dont believe in either people dont get whats coming to them for the most part unless humans give it to them there is no cosmic magical machine thats going to return the energy that i put out negative or possative to me in this life or the next what i do believe is we are all here to learn a lesson that is diffrent for everyone if that lesson is not learned we get stuck repeating the simmular circumstance that we messed up in.
I believe in cause and effect for every action you take there is an effect which may or may not effect you personaly.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:22 am
I define a curse as deliberately setting out to harm another person using supernatural means. It's malicious, deliberate, and I find it more than a little selfish and unfair. I've always had a difficult time trying to stomach the idea of using magic to harm another person; I've often equated it to taking a gun to a fist fight.
There are other means available to keep them from harming themselves of others, such as a binding or banishing spell. They're proactive magical defence, and I don't view them as being the same as a curse. They don't cause harm, they simply prevent or hinder a behavior or series of behaviors. It's also far better to work on repairing the damage a person has caused than to seek revenge.
All that said, I don't believe it's ever okay to curse someone; horrible people get what they have coming to them, it's only a matter of time. Spells can be cast to speed up the karmatic cycle, but I've never been that eager to see another person suffer. I'm vindictive by nature, and don't forgive easily, and there are a number of people I want to see get theirs but I know I won't. I just know that they'll get it in the end, and I'll get what I deserve after being mistreated.
I've never cursed anyone, but it's come very close. This summer was the nearest I came, and ti was certainly going to be a big one. I despised the person to begin with, but when they showed their true, two faced nature and started verbally attacking friends of mine behind their backs, I had had enough. But I was warned against it, took the advice, and have actualy been rewarded by seeing her completely ostracised.
I believe more so in karma than in the law of three fold; it's simple fact that what you do comes back to you, regardless. When it comes back, it's picked up momentum (not necessarily three times the momentum, hence my hesitation to side with the law of three fold) and you get hit with it. It's like ripples in a pond: they fan out from a point of origin, hit other objects, and eventually return as larger ripples.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:09 am
i'd define a curse, as something in line with a blessing. the only difference is a curse is meant to bring harm, while a blessing would bring good or protection. but they are both spells that transcend time, and are hard to break.
i don't remember ever cursing anyone seriously.. if i'm mad, i'll wish ill and take the consequences later, but nothing serious and permanent so i won't get hurt too much either. sometimes though, i don't know if it'd qualify as a curse, more like a curse to myself and a blessing to the other person, i blessed him that i'd never use anything supernatural to hurt him; i kind of intended to protect him from me.. -_-'
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:41 am
I have a similar definition of curses to Gypsy. In my book, cursing someone is never okay. There are other, more effective means of dealing with people. And if they attack you, mirroring it back to them is simply much more fun.
I believe in Karma, but not the three-fold law. What goes out comes back, but not according to simple rules. If you're positive, then people tend to be more positive to you, and similarly if you're negative.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:56 am
Like some of you above, a curse in my mind is something out to harm someone. However, because of this definition, something could be a curse in one situation while being a bless in other situations (and vise versa). It all depends on the intentions of the caster. Beware, though, because even the best intentions and the most generous of spells can backfire into something bad. I rarely do spells because the result is often not guarenteed. stare Only when I know how things will end up do I do a spell, or something general, like "assisting" in good luck. I never aim anything directly at a goal. wink
As for Karma, I consider it the same as the Three Fold Law, but with different thoughts on the magnitude of repricussion. Both deal with the paybacks of anything you do. Advise: just be the best person you can be heart and you don't have to worry too much about negative repricusions. 3nodding
(Man, I said a lot more than I meant to, but that's what I think).
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:20 pm
I define curse as a bad spell placed on someone. Basically voodooists call them hexes?
About Karma, I think it has a lot to do with three-folds. Karma basically means luck. SO Bad karma (Bad luck) has to do with three fold law. Because the effet of three-fold is bad, not a good thing.
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Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:50 pm
My basic philosophy is "Think bofore you do and don't do anything that you don't want to reap the consequenses of said doing."
I have that written on my wall, behind my door.
Kind of a guideline really, but it's kept me out of major trouble, that and my friends help me too.
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:21 pm
Aquajade My basic philosophy is "Think bofore you do and don't do anything that you don't want to reap the consequenses of said doing." I have that written on my wall, behind my door. Kind of a guideline really, but it's kept me out of major trouble, that and my friends help me too.
Yes, Basically what "Harm none do what ye will means". " DO what ye will" meaning do it only if you have to, not just for the heck of it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:05 am
Excert I define curse as a bad spell placed on someone. Basically voodooists call them hexes?
About Karma, I think it has a lot to do with three-folds. Karma basically means luck. SO Bad karma (Bad luck) has to do with three fold law. Because the effet of three-fold is bad, not a good thing. I wouldnt say that karma has to do with the three fold law since the three fold law is a wiccan term and wicca didnt come to be till the 1950's and the idea of karma has been around for like 1100 + years so if anything the three fold law is based off of karma.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:17 am
Aquajade My basic philosophy is "Think bofore you do and don't do anything that you don't want to reap the consequenses of said doing." I have that written on my wall, behind my door. Kind of a guideline really, but it's kept me out of major trouble, that and my friends help me too. thats a very good thing to remember not only with spell work but every day life lots of times people leap before looking and then complain about the negative consequenses of their actions even though from the begining it was plain to see that it was going to happen that way.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:24 am
phantomkitsune I have a similar definition of curses to Gypsy. In my book, cursing someone is never okay. There are other, more effective means of dealing with people. And if they attack you, mirroring it back to them is simply much more fun. I believe in Karma, but not the three-fold law. What goes out comes back, but not according to simple rules. If you're positive, then people tend to be more positive to you, and similarly if you're negative. your view i dont dissapree with but i wouldnt really call that karma but like i said in the first post cause and effect. If your nice to someone most likely they will be nice to you if your postive in life then not as many bad things will happen to you because you dont believe they will and if they do you wont feel that they are as bad as some would because you think the situation will get better and because of that you will make the situation better with or without realizing it. Its kinda like a self fulliling profecy my boyfriend puts it a good way my friends and i dont look like good tippers so when we go to a restuarant we dont get thats good of servace thus we dont tip well but had they given us good servace they would have been given a really good tip.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:43 pm
mouseyanna Excert I define curse as a bad spell placed on someone. Basically voodooists call them hexes?
About Karma, I think it has a lot to do with three-folds. Karma basically means luck. SO Bad karma (Bad luck) has to do with three fold law. Because the effet of three-fold is bad, not a good thing. I wouldnt say that karma has to do with the three fold law since the three fold law is a wiccan term and wicca didnt come to be till the 1950's and the idea of karma has been around for like 1100 + years so if anything the three fold law is based off of karma.
Im not saying its based off it, saying that it has to to with it, or it has similarities, Im kind ahard to understand sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:17 pm
It really depends on the curse. yes, a curse can be put on u by someone, but can also be brought to u by something. But i also belive that the bad luck within that curse can bring u goodness later on. "sometimes darkness brings you to light." it may take some bad luck or cursing to get what id good later on. plus any bad done by a person will come back tree times as bad. i follow under the three fold law.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:20 pm
Excert mouseyanna Excert I define curse as a bad spell placed on someone. Basically voodooists call them hexes?
About Karma, I think it has a lot to do with three-folds. Karma basically means luck. SO Bad karma (Bad luck) has to do with three fold law. Because the effet of three-fold is bad, not a good thing. I wouldnt say that karma has to do with the three fold law since the three fold law is a wiccan term and wicca didnt come to be till the 1950's and the idea of karma has been around for like 1100 + years so if anything the three fold law is based off of karma.
Im not saying its based off it, saying that it has to to with it, or it has similarities, Im kind ahard to understand sweatdrop Karma is merely based on luck. the tree fold law basicly says if u do harm to another it will come back to u three times of that. kinnda like what comes around goes around. The same goes to the other person. it will come back and return the harm to them.
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Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:35 pm
redwing_shadow Excert mouseyanna Excert I define curse as a bad spell placed on someone. Basically voodooists call them hexes?
About Karma, I think it has a lot to do with three-folds. Karma basically means luck. SO Bad karma (Bad luck) has to do with three fold law. Because the effet of three-fold is bad, not a good thing. I wouldnt say that karma has to do with the three fold law since the three fold law is a wiccan term and wicca didnt come to be till the 1950's and the idea of karma has been around for like 1100 + years so if anything the three fold law is based off of karma.
Im not saying its based off it, saying that it has to to with it, or it has similarities, Im kind ahard to understand sweatdrop Karma is merely based on luck. the tree fold law basicly says if u do harm to another it will come back to u three times of that. kinnda like what comes around goes around. The same goes to the other person. it will come back and return the harm to them.
Exactly, Karma = What goes around comes around.
Similar to three folds, but three folds has more force, i guess.
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