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Freki Wulframn
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:22 pm


For those of you who have seen "Deathwish" and especially "The Q and the Grey" and "Q2," how do you feel about the changes in Q's character?

I will say right now that I have seen none of them, and know only what I've read.

What I'm really interested in are your opinions on Q having a child. Do you think they kept him "in character" or should they never have gone there?

Thanks. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:59 pm


I remember seeing all those episodes, but I was young enough I feel like I can't trust my opinions of them. I remeber Deathwish being a very good, interesting episode. I enjoyed all these episodes a lot, but the balace of comic<->threatening for Q's characterization seemed a little off with the latter 2. As far as I can remember, which could be totally wrong. In TNG Q was amusing, but felt more dangerous, I think. Q having a child I liked at the time, but now I have a funny feeling that if I saw it again it would be put in the "should never have gone there category" especially with the episode where the son is suddenly older, stripped of his powers, and sent to Janeway to gain maturity or something. That was...it came out of nowhere a bit.

Ashanti Codex


Freki Wulframn
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:59 pm


Ashanti Codex
I remember seeing all those episodes, but I was young enough I feel like I can't trust my opinions of them. I remeber Deathwish being a very good, interesting episode. I enjoyed all these episodes a lot, but the balace of comic<->threatening for Q's characterization seemed a little off with the latter 2. As far as I can remember, which could be totally wrong. In TNG Q was amusing, but felt more dangerous, I think. Q having a child I liked at the time, but now I have a funny feeling that if I saw it again it would be put in the "should never have gone there category" especially with the episode where the son is suddenly older, stripped of his powers, and sent to Janeway to gain maturity or something. That was...it came out of nowhere a bit.

I have a feeling I would feel very much the same way.

I think you're absolutely right when you say Q was amusing without losing his dangerousness in TNG. Giving anyone a kid can tend to revoke any threat they previously posed, even though (when looking at nature--mama bears!) that shouldn't necessarily be the case.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:39 pm


In Deathwish Q started off the episode somewhat...well..."reserved" I suppose would be a good word. He was representing the Continuum against the "rebelious" Q and just seemed to have his "spark" taken out of him...that and he had blue lipstick...it was odd. But by the end of the episode he shifts back slightly and you can almost see the old Q peeking through.

The other two episodes had glimers of the old Q poking through here and there though it was not the same without Picard for him to shoot back and forth with. Q and Picard creates a repituare. Q and Janeway creates sexual harassment (sorta).

As for Q having a kid--I didn't consider it a bad thing when I first saw it, but now looking back it did kind of ground the character in a way that I did not want him to. Having a kid suggests "maturity" and that is one quality that I never really saw, nor did I want to see, in Q.

Fadia Stalyr
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Saoraan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:55 am


my opinion on the episodes (and I have seen them and have them on dvd) I really liked Death wish because in the beginning the Q and Quinn have a little hide and seek game with voyager and that is hilarious and even though Q is technically behaving throughout the episode he still manages to be somewhat mischievous. In the Q civil war episode it is more serious and less fun as Q is desperate to have a child with Janeway but the female Q is sort of fun with her haughty superior disrespect for the voyager crew. In Q2 Q does not play much of a role at all instead little q has the front seat and when he makes seven of nine's clothes disappear you know that he's Q's son.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:07 pm


Ashanti Codex
I remember seeing all those episodes, but I was young enough I feel like I can't trust my opinions of them. I remeber Deathwish being a very good, interesting episode. I enjoyed all these episodes a lot, but the balace of comic<->threatening for Q's characterization seemed a little off with the latter 2. As far as I can remember, which could be totally wrong. In TNG Q was amusing, but felt more dangerous, I think. Q having a child I liked at the time, but now I have a funny feeling that if I saw it again it would be put in the "should never have gone there category" especially with the episode where the son is suddenly older, stripped of his powers, and sent to Janeway to gain maturity or something. That was...it came out of nowhere a bit.


As far as being older so soon, Q does explain it's because of how time runs in the continuum. And seeing the Q and the Grey explains why Janeway has to help him. And Deathwish? I think Q just finally "grows up". Besides, they say that he was punished for his irresponsible use of his powers (the TNG Q)

Shopping_Spree_101


Robyn Spruce
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:51 am


I would have to say I understood rather than liked Q in the Voyager episodes. In Deathwish he had been punished, so he was afraid. In "The Q and the Grey" he was desperate, and in "Q2" he was desperate yet again. I liked q better in that one.
Female Q is what I think shouldn't have happened. Why couldn't the Q be asexual? She was the one who forced maturity on Q because she always wanted him to do things her way (along with the continuum.) He sort of traded in one evil rule over him (continuum) for another (his new wife.) So q should of happened and was willing to be just as immature as Q.
Plus I like Qs verbal sparing with Picard. No offense to Janeway, but she lacked the intelligence Picard had of human history and psychology. He could fight with Q. She could only try to stand arms distance from him.
Q was better in TNG, in my opinion.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:58 am


I read the novel I, Q before I viewed any of the Voyager episodes, so the concept of Q having a child was not surprising to me (q and Lady Q already exist in the novel). I thought the episodes with de Lancie's character were well-handled. As to Q behaving in a more serious manner in Voyager than in The Next Generation- humans have several dimensions of their personalities, so why would the Q not be the same way?

Robyn Spruce - To my understanding, Q sexuality (or the lack thereof) is more complicated (or less existent) than human.
The Q have no need for procreation, and apparently never engage in sexual relations (one of the reasons Q wants to have a child with Janeway instead of with another Q). By having a child, Q is being particularly deviant, so we cannot view his actions as an example of the overall mind set or sexuality of the Q.

Designation Seven of Nine


Caienna_Tiuren

PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:15 pm


I personally liked the young Q as a character, but Q himself is definitely much better in TNG, and even DS9 (I particularly enjoyed Sisko's handling of Q, haha!).

Lady Q was just... bizarre. Which I suppose is to be expected when it comes to anything related to Q. And Janeway's reactions to Q were just kind of pathetic.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:44 pm


My biggest issue with Q and his child are that they act exactly as humans would act. My biggest issue with Q in Voyager is that he's much more human than in Next Gen. First of all, the fact that young Q would choose his human form to be an adolescent boy is a bit... well, I find it stupid. If this Q is attempting to defy everyone at every turn, why not take on a more powerful form? He also seems to go through stages quite similar to human children. I just think that a child of the Q would be... I dunno, different in some way, simply because of the fact that they have unlimited control over space, matter, and time.
I think if some human children had such powers, they'd grow up differently than the rest of the children.

I also have issues with gender and reproduction in the Q Continuum. If you recall, Q had no ideas about attractions between genders in Next Generation when Picard is dealing with the return of Vash. Why would the Q have need for gender?
I also have slight issues with the fact that Q got kicked out of the continuum in (was it Deja Q?) and sentenced to life as a mortal. Wouldn't the balance be off then as well? He could've died very easily as a human and the Q only seemed to be worried about the fact that he would've died performing a selfless act, not that the power balance would be off. I could be mistaken though, I don't recall if they ever explained why that other Q couldn't kill himself in Voyager and why Q could've died in exile.

I still love Q, more in Next Generation than in Voyager. But I do think there are places they never should have gone. I liked the story lines, they just aren't consistent with what I think/know of the Q.

Pherfiniel


Caienna_Tiuren

PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:42 pm


Well, I rather liked that they got Keegan DeLancie (John's son) to play Q's son. That was fun.

How do you have a balance of power when they're all omnipotent? That seems almost like a contradiction to me.
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