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 Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:13 pm
Does anyone here know anything about the practical applications for Alchemy? I have done a little research on my own, but I would like to talk with anyone else who's a studying apprentice.
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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 7:33 pm
I'd like to know more about it... like... what is it? Alchemy in the truest sense was originally the precursor to chemistry, I believe, but I don't recall any magic about it.
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:12 am
Well, the ultimate goal of all alchemists is to create what they call The Philosopher's Stone. It's supposed to be a able to cure all illnesses and turn any base metal into gold, or at least, that's the theory. Alchemy is really more of a way of life, like a religious path, than a science.
It's all really quite interesting. How you're planning to be an herbalist, I plan to become a master alchemist.
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:58 am
aye. I only know the symbols they use for each element ^^;
And on the Philosofer's Stone, I only know Eliphas Levi's symbolisation.
With the Philososfer's stone, he refers to Wisdom.
With metal turning into gold (he says liquid gold), he refers to the sunlight. Sunlight shows the truth, reveals anything. What he ment was, that with (absolute) wisdom, you would be able to see the truth in everything.
That truth goes farther than just knowing when someone lies, but also consist in knowing:
eg. what does every plant has as quality, is it poisonous or not, which is "true religion", divination, simple truth, ...
That's all I know about it. As far that is "Alchemic" -.-
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:09 pm
Raven Blackstar aye. I only know the symbols they use for each element ^^;
And on the Philosofer's Stone, I only know Eliphas Levi's symbolisation.
With the Philososfer's stone, he refers to Wisdom.
With metal turning into gold (he says liquid gold), he refers to the sunlight. Sunlight shows the truth, reveals anything. What he ment was, that with (absolute) wisdom, you would be able to see the truth in everything.
That truth goes farther than just knowing when someone lies, but also consist in knowing:
eg. what does every plant has as quality, is it poisonous or not, which is "true religion", divination, simple truth, ...
That's all I know about it. As far that is "Alchemic" -.- Sounds pretty much like traditional alchemy. Did you research this yourself? Or did you have a teacher?
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:29 am
AisilnnTheoron Raven Blackstar aye. I only know the symbols they use for each element ^^;
And on the Philosofer's Stone, I only know Eliphas Levi's symbolisation.
With the Philososfer's stone, he refers to Wisdom.
With metal turning into gold (he says liquid gold), he refers to the sunlight. Sunlight shows the truth, reveals anything. What he ment was, that with (absolute) wisdom, you would be able to see the truth in everything.
That truth goes farther than just knowing when someone lies, but also consist in knowing:
eg. what does every plant has as quality, is it poisonous or not, which is "true religion", divination, simple truth, ...
That's all I know about it. As far that is "Alchemic" -.- Sounds pretty much like traditional alchemy. Did you research this yourself? Or did you have a teacher?
I have no real teacher. I'm autodidactical when it comes to magic. But, if I should mention "teachers" to me, then it would be Eliphas Levi, my guardian angel and Fate (what I call Wyrd).
I have a book from Eliphas Levi (french occultist) at home: "Leer en Ritueel der Hogere Magie" (dutch) original book written in 1854 - 1856. Seriously complicated book though, consists out the "theoretical" and "practical" parts.
Theoretical ("Leer" = "Learn, teachings") Where whole explanations about the elements, alchemy, every number, tarot, ... is explained. Well, if you can call it explained Xx I'm a fast learner and understand fast, but even there I only got like half of the theoretical part.
Practical part ("Ritueel" = "Ritual") even speaks about mastering the elements, necromancy, summonings and so on. That's even worse to understand sweatdrop
Somewhere in that close to 1000 paged book, he mentioned what the whole secret is about "alchemy and the philosofer's stone" (what I wrote in my previous post).
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:32 pm
Raven Blackstar AisilnnTheoron Raven Blackstar aye. I only know the symbols they use for each element ^^;
And on the Philosofer's Stone, I only know Eliphas Levi's symbolisation.
With the Philososfer's stone, he refers to Wisdom.
With metal turning into gold (he says liquid gold), he refers to the sunlight. Sunlight shows the truth, reveals anything. What he ment was, that with (absolute) wisdom, you would be able to see the truth in everything.
That truth goes farther than just knowing when someone lies, but also consist in knowing:
eg. what does every plant has as quality, is it poisonous or not, which is "true religion", divination, simple truth, ...
That's all I know about it. As far that is "Alchemic" -.- Sounds pretty much like traditional alchemy. Did you research this yourself? Or did you have a teacher?
I have no real teacher. I'm autodidactical when it comes to magic. But, if I should mention "teachers" to me, then it would be Eliphas Levi, my guardian angel and Fate (what I call Wyrd).
I have a book from Eliphas Levi (french occultist) at home: "Leer en Ritueel der Hogere Magie" (dutch) original book written in 1854 - 1856. Seriously complicated book though, consists out the "theoretical" and "practical" parts.
Theoretical ("Leer" = "Learn, teachings") Where whole explanations about the elements, alchemy, every number, tarot, ... is explained. Well, if you can call it explained Xx I'm a fast learner and understand fast, but even there I only got like half of the theoretical part.
Practical part ("Ritueel" = "Ritual") even speaks about mastering the elements, necromancy, summonings and so on. That's even worse to understand sweatdrop
Somewhere in that close to 1000 paged book, he mentioned what the whole secret is about "alchemy and the philosofer's stone" (what I wrote in my previous post).Sounds like the sort of books that I would like to get my hands on. Too bad I can't read fluent french or dutch. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:01 am
I don't know if it is available in english confused I know it is in dutch and french. And even then, it's written in old gramatical dutch -.- Not that the difference is that hard to understand though.
"Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie" (FR)
"Leer en Ritueel der Hogere Magie" (NL)
In case you needed the titles...
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:35 pm
Raven Blackstar I don't know if it is available in english confused I know it is in dutch and french. And even then, it's written in old gramatical dutch -.- Not that the difference is that hard to understand though.
"Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie" (FR)
"Leer en Ritueel der Hogere Magie" (NL)
In case you needed the titles... Thanks, Raven. I'll see what I can find.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:31 pm
AisilnnTheoron Raven Blackstar I don't know if it is available in english confused I know it is in dutch and french. And even then, it's written in old gramatical dutch -.- Not that the difference is that hard to understand though.
"Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie" (FR)
"Leer en Ritueel der Hogere Magie" (NL)
In case you needed the titles... Thanks, Raven. I'll see what I can find.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:27 pm
Hm. So someone enlighten me a little more on this mysterious "alchemy" thing. Dictionary.com says "1. a form of chemistry and speculative philosophy practiced in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance and concerned principally with discovering methods for transmuting baser metals into gold and with finding a universal solvent and an elixir of life.
2. any magical power or process of transmuting a common substance, usually of little value, into a substance of great value."
Which really seems like the precurser to chemistry, but nothing that really can be used today- after all, lead to gold is a nice thought, but is it really what it's about?
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:14 am
Kyoki Marie Hm. So someone enlighten me a little more on this mysterious "alchemy" thing. Dictionary.com says "1. a form of chemistry and speculative philosophy practiced in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance and concerned principally with discovering methods for transmuting baser metals into gold and with finding a universal solvent and an elixir of life. 2. any magical power or process of transmuting a common substance, usually of little value, into a substance of great value." Which really seems like the precurser to chemistry, but nothing that really can be used today- after all, lead to gold is a nice thought, but is it really what it's about? Well, ultimately, Alchemy is more of a philosphy than an actual science. It uses the analogy of turning base metals or material into gold using what they call the Philosopher's Stone. The Philosopher's Stone is the solid form of the Tincture of Life. It has the ability to purify all substances. Thus, theoretically curing all illnesses and transmuting any substance into gold; the purest of all matter in the mind of the alchemist. To create the Philosoper's Stone, one must use distilled spirits (or pure alcohol) to remove all inmpurity from matter, starting with the base metals Mercury and Sulphur. You're supposed to be able to go through several stages of chemistry until you achieve a semi solid, ruby red substance. This Substance is called the Philospher's Stone, the Tincture of Life, The Rubedo, and The Red Tincture. Though, all of this is very dependant upon the alchemist's ability to purify himself. In theory, only a pure alchemist can fully achieve the Philosopher's Stone. So on that note, no one has created the Philosopher's Stone and lived to tell about it. It's mostly just theory and speculation. But it's a very fascinating way of life, to try and purify oneself, using archaic chemistry and philosophy. I hope to become a Master Alchemist one day. Who knows, maybe I'll be the first to make the Philosopher's Stone. xd
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:56 pm
Hm.. it just seems odd to me. (I cheer you on, though!)
So is the Philosophers stone a real item, an actual physical thing you can make, or is it more like a philosophical thing- a metaphor, or a "goal" that's designed to help you reach your purified state, but not a real item?
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:49 pm
Kyoki Marie Hm.. it just seems odd to me. (I cheer you on, though!) So is the Philosophers stone a real item, an actual physical thing you can make, or is it more like a philosophical thing- a metaphor, or a "goal" that's designed to help you reach your purified state, but not a real item? I don't know. That's partially what intrigues me so. But I'll let you know if I make one.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:42 pm
It depends the perception. As it more likely seems to be a philosophy than material, you could say the Stone and everything around is immaterial or spiritual based.
You might also see it as: you do something you consider a small deed for someone, but to that person it's of great meaning. This could also be a way to see the "process of transmuting a common substance, usually of little value, into a substance of great value".
Merely symbolism and spiritual basis. Again, it depends your perception on things.
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