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Ok, me and my friends got in a heated arguement over a few things and I need some major evidence to back me up. Like, write ups with quotes and manga/comic scans and such.

The topics.

1. That Tsunade is basically on par with Spiderman or some one of the similar weight class in terms of strength.

2. That Ki, Chi, Rei, Nen and Chakra are essiantially the same.

3. That with out evidence contrary, things such as physics and such are the same between different universes.

4. That the Silver Surfer could draw the Ki out of Goku with little to no effort.

5. That Spiderman could lift heavy objects and do a good amount of damage(lifting heavy objects, destroying buildings, etc.)

I haven't heard of all those types of energy. You're bbest bet would be to simply lay out the funcions of each one and compare their similarities. If there's enough, then they, for all intents and purposes, are the same. If you don't know what they do, then you shouldn't be arguing a point you don't know enough about, eh? wink



I would think this would be a given. Physics and such can change on the whim of the author/director/whatever to suit the situation. I can't give you any specific evidence...but provided apples don't float on their own in some universe, you can postulate that the physics are close enough.



Hellz ja! Spidey's incredibly strong! He's lifted a whole building on his own (there's a scan floating around the board...check the SM vs. Inu thread in the vs. forum) and he can pretty much slatter people head's if he didn't pull his punches...


Wikipedia's your best friend for info like this and specific example.

Ah, this is an interesting thread. Lets see...

1. I haven't read enough Naruto to know.

2. Chi and Ki are basicly the exact same thing with a diffrent name. Rei is a little diffrent, but could still easily be put in the same catagory, same with chacra. Nen, on the other hand, is diffrent. It's really more like a cross between ki and the force. Where as ki tends to usualy exsist only within living things, but nen, like the force, is everywhere. Also, Nen has the ability to incopacitate someone who hasn't mastered Nen(Like Hisoka did to Gon), something which I've never seen in the other forms. Lastly, and most importantly, there are all the rules that go along with nen, such as the types, the limmited ammunt of memory, and agreements that can be made. If those rules were true with ki it would be impossible for, say, Goku to use ki to fly(transmitter), shoot blasts of energy from his hands(transmitter), increase his strengh and speed(enhancer), and gather energy from other lifeforms to make the spirit bomb(conjurer) without filling up his memory. Goku would almost definitly be an enhancer, by the way.

3. Without evidence to the contrary? Yes. Problem is in many cases there is evidence to the contrary...

4. Hard to tell, Ki is diffrent from a normal energy, and I've never seen Silver Surfer control ki(it does exsist in the marvel universe, Iron fist and whatnot). I'd probably say no, but it's debateable. I don't see why he'd need to, though, since he could horribly pwn Goku without absorbing his Ki.

5. Was this one a freebe? Of course Spiderman's superstrong. Like Envoy said, there's a picture of Spiderman as a one man recking crew in the Spiderman vs. Inuyasha thread, and there are scans of the holding up the bugal sceen all over this guild.

Does this mean The Surfer can manipulate magix too? It'd be more convincing if you posted scans of this too and of him manipulating ki for that matter. As I've said even ki works differently to some degree in some universes especially what one can achieve with it.

For the most part they are. I think that some Magical Energies Surfer would be able to absorb. It would not be out of character for him.

ok first off spidey can't lift buildings, rread the scan he even said he was only lifting a small part of it, and tsunade is not near par with sups she is strong but suprman can kill most shinobi in one shot, she could get lucky and puncture a lung....

I don't think I can agree with this one. I haven't seen Tsunade do much in terms of strength that puts her there. She's broken walls and made some small craters but that's about it IIRC. (I'm going by the manga. If it's different in the anime let me know.) We don't really know her upper limits as far as strength goes to tell for sure. I think she's close but not quite.

Well I'm not sure on Rei or Chi but for the other three they all seem to be internalized power sources that can be used for attacks. So in that sense they're the same. And they do have some attacks in common. Yusuke's Rei-Gun is an attack where Rei is gather and fired in a blast attack like Goku's kamehameha. Tienshinhan can make copies of himself with his Shishin No Ken like Naruto can with his shadow clones. They can be similar, but they do have differences as well so they're not exactly the same thing. Close though.

Check out this site. It's got some Silver Surfer feats. http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/


Here's a Spidey respect thread. It's got some links listed that should show his strength levels.
http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=108950

Since I'm more up to date with old Surfer feats, he has manipulated the Odinforce when Odin was using it. Does that count as manipulating magic?