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 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:27 pm
This is a topic that my friends and I always debate about!
I am for and against it...depending on the circumstances.
I mean, I don't believe it's right to have an abortion because you were careless and made a 'mistake'. However, if you got raped or something, and got pregnant, I think that abortion is ok.
What do you guys think?
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:35 am
I believe that it is your choice to be honest, but I also believe it is wrong.
hell my gf is 2 months pregnant and its not even my baby, but she would have an abortion if she didn't have HPV....which in fact she might have cervical cancer as well..... so yeah, i think it is your choice, but i also belive that we should kill murderers, rapists, chop off the left hands of theifs(and they dont get any benefits)....and i believe in god and euthanasia, kinda a wierd mix i know, but if you have no use for society, off you go.
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Aesthetically Saru Captain
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:49 pm
0n1yhuman I believe that it is your choice to be honest, but I also believe it is wrong. hell my gf is 2 months pregnant and its not even my baby, but she would have an abortion if she didn't have HPV....which in fact she might have cervical cancer as well..... so yeah, i think it is your choice, but i also belive that we should kill murderers, rapists, chop off the left hands of theifs(and they dont get any benefits)....and i believe in god and euthanasia, kinda a wierd mix i know, but if you have no use for society, off you go. "i agreed with only up to the part were theifs get their hand chop off...*tessies said something in alien languga then looks at troy*"yea as i was saying, i belive that is should be their decidesion ..to be honest abortion been happening long befor it was ever mention as a "bad thing"in the usa."
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:08 pm
I am glad that you brought this up.. I can go on and on and on.. early term pregnancys in the situations of rape or endangerment of the mother are more acceptable than if you were just getting busy with out protecting yourself.. now I think that if you dont want to be having any babies any time soon then you should be getting your self down to have an IUD put in.. so even if you are raped the likeliness of getting pregnant is slim to none.. now raped or consentual.. if it is past the 10th week then you better darn well carry that baby and if you dont want it then put it up for adoption, there are many people willing to adopt and love the babies everyday that dont have that chance because they dont have the 10 grand to spend on an adoption...
so am I for abortion...NO
could I get an abortion even in extream conditions...NO
am I going to ridicule people for having them... Not unless it is late term or done out of convienience.
Now about that thing with parents being able to access the files since they are still legal Gaurdians.. Yes I think that all legal Gaurdians need to have that right to know that their child has gotten pregnant.. maybe they want the baby, maybe the grandparents on the fathers side would want the baby....if the family is willing to tell them.
Abortion hurts your body terribly, it is better for your body to just go ahead and have the baby, have you seen the movie about how they do it? they need to show that to all the people that are thinking about killing their unborn child..at conception that child has a soul, and even though you cant hear the heart beat you can see where the heart is forming around 3 weeks.
ugg I NEED off this subject. oh and I think if you have killed someone and it is concrete, no doubt then you shall be killed, the great thing is if you have a felony in your past you cant get HUD/section 8 housing... at least in Texas!! yay!
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:09 am
My personal opinion? There shouldn't be any law against it.
Do I think everyone has valid reason to abort? No... doesn't mean you should outlaw the option.
I'm kinda surprised so far... I agree with the posts above and bring forth a new point as well.
Families who can't afford to have a child. Wether they were fooled around and should have known better... or the protection for sexual activity failed them... my point is that families who cannot support a child should be allowed to abort the baby.
You would either condone the whole family to a miserable lifestyle... or force the child into the failing adoption programs around the country. If anyone really needs statistics for that point I can get them... but adoption just doesn't work (at least in the US).
I'm not elaborating much simply cause I'm tired, but will back up my position if it is asked for. Illegalizing abortion is wrong in my eyes.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:02 am
You all make great points. There's a part of me that just wants to yell "Abortion is MURDER" but I'm a fair person when it comes to debate, believe it or not! lol
When I think about abortion, my head spins, and I feel very sick. On the television awhile ago, I saw a walk to stop abortion, and do you know what was in the crowds? Signs, and t-shirts that said things like "I had an abortion, and I'm proud of it!" ... Can you believe that? That mother was proud she KILLED her CHILD! A LIVING creature inside her.
If a baby puts a mother's life in danger, that's the only time I believe a child should be aborted.
Raped? No. I'm aware that adoption doesn't really work at all in the US. But is that really an excuse to take away their right to live? That's like your mother saying to you now "I'm sorry, I can't take care of you, and I don't think you should be put into adoption, so I'll just kill you instead." Doesn't that sound a little wrong?
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:38 am
1024yyim You all make great points. There's a part of me that just wants to yell "Abortion is MURDER" but I'm a fair person when it comes to debate, believe it or not! lol When I think about abortion, my head spins, and I feel very sick. On the television awhile ago, I saw a walk to stop abortion, and do you know what was in the crowds? Signs, and t-shirts that said things like "I had an abortion, and I'm proud of it!" ... Can you believe that? That mother was proud she KILLED her CHILD! A LIVING creature inside her. If a baby puts a mother's life in danger, that's the only time I believe a child should be aborted. Raped? No. I'm aware that adoption doesn't really work at all in the US. But is that really an excuse to take away their right to live? That's like your mother saying to you now "I'm sorry, I can't take care of you, and I don't think you should be put into adoption, so I'll just kill you instead." Doesn't that sound a little wrong?
but I've got friends who were adopted as children, and they hate the life they live even though it's better than any life for someone who the program didn't help.
I don't think that a person who has a child inide them would be too willing to send it off to a life they'd hate... but as far as people bringing up the "solution" of adoption as a way to avoid abortion... they should spend less time rallying and mroe in fixing the program - because it's not a solution at this point and though I'm not a psychic or anything I don't even see it being even a decent solution for the next decade.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:44 pm
If you honestly dont feel you would be able to give the child a healthy up bringing then, you should.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:54 pm
I believe abortion at all is wrong. It is the murder of a innocent child. Within the first few hours of conceptiong the tiny zygote is already taking form. If you can't care for the baby it's ok, just give birth and the state will find a healthy happy home for the baby. As far as rape is concerned, yes it is horrible you were raped, but is it this childs fault that you were forced into this? No not in the least, so by killing this child you say basically you care not for life. You could put the baby up for adoption no questoin asked, think about it, if your mom was raped and you were the result would you be happy or sad she had you? You would most likely be happy she chose to gave birth and raise you, for it is not your fault but the attackers, you were just the miracle of life. You say it is alright to kill the young so you must be alright with killing the old. If we are going to abort new born babies we might as well go and kill all the old senior citizens that sit in homes staring at walls all day, they don't do anything only take up room and money? But most of you will argue it's not the same thing but it is, murder is murder no matter what context you put it in.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:23 am
The_Transmogrified 1024yyim You all make great points. There's a part of me that just wants to yell "Abortion is MURDER" but I'm a fair person when it comes to debate, believe it or not! lol When I think about abortion, my head spins, and I feel very sick. On the television awhile ago, I saw a walk to stop abortion, and do you know what was in the crowds? Signs, and t-shirts that said things like "I had an abortion, and I'm proud of it!" ... Can you believe that? That mother was proud she KILLED her CHILD! A LIVING creature inside her. If a baby puts a mother's life in danger, that's the only time I believe a child should be aborted. Raped? No. I'm aware that adoption doesn't really work at all in the US. But is that really an excuse to take away their right to live? That's like your mother saying to you now "I'm sorry, I can't take care of you, and I don't think you should be put into adoption, so I'll just kill you instead." Doesn't that sound a little wrong?
but I've got friends who were adopted as children, and they hate the life they live even though it's better than any life for someone who the program didn't help.
I don't think that a person who has a child inide them would be too willing to send it off to a life they'd hate... but as far as people bringing up the "solution" of adoption as a way to avoid abortion... they should spend less time rallying and mroe in fixing the program - because it's not a solution at this point and though I'm not a psychic or anything I don't even see it being even a decent solution for the next decade.If I were to be pregnant, I would not want to send it into a life they'd hate, yes, but I would certainly not want to kill it instead. Have you heard "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."? Even if they had to live for 18 years in a place or life they hate, poverty can be a good thing. (especially if you're religious, but I won't get into that) But you're right, there should be more attention devoted to making our adoption program better. We have so many people here saying "Oh, there are so many poor starving kids in China! Let's go adopt a Chinese baby!" And that's great and all, but part of me thinks we should take care of the poor starving kids HERE first. Heheh. xp
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:43 am
1024yyim The_Transmogrified 1024yyim You all make great points. There's a part of me that just wants to yell "Abortion is MURDER" but I'm a fair person when it comes to debate, believe it or not! lol When I think about abortion, my head spins, and I feel very sick. On the television awhile ago, I saw a walk to stop abortion, and do you know what was in the crowds? Signs, and t-shirts that said things like "I had an abortion, and I'm proud of it!" ... Can you believe that? That mother was proud she KILLED her CHILD! A LIVING creature inside her. If a baby puts a mother's life in danger, that's the only time I believe a child should be aborted. Raped? No. I'm aware that adoption doesn't really work at all in the US. But is that really an excuse to take away their right to live? That's like your mother saying to you now "I'm sorry, I can't take care of you, and I don't think you should be put into adoption, so I'll just kill you instead." Doesn't that sound a little wrong?
but I've got friends who were adopted as children, and they hate the life they live even though it's better than any life for someone who the program didn't help.
I don't think that a person who has a child inide them would be too willing to send it off to a life they'd hate... but as far as people bringing up the "solution" of adoption as a way to avoid abortion... they should spend less time rallying and mroe in fixing the program - because it's not a solution at this point and though I'm not a psychic or anything I don't even see it being even a decent solution for the next decade.If I were to be pregnant, I would not want to send it into a life they'd hate, yes, but I would certainly not want to kill it instead. Have you heard "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."? Even if they had to live for 18 years in a place or life they hate, poverty can be a good thing. (especially if you're religious, but I won't get into that) But you're right, there should be more attention devoted to making our adoption program better. We have so many people here saying "Oh, there are so many poor starving kids in China! Let's go adopt a Chinese baby!" And that's great and all, but part of me thinks we should take care of the poor starving kids HERE first. Heheh. xp
And secondly it's not just living for "18 years" in a plaace they hate... I wish I kept the link (and wil;l; look for it again if you want) but there's a high percentage of youth who in California turn 18 and then are left to fend for themselves from then on. The state government is s'posed to support them for 3 or so more years by sending them checks but there's so many people they don't have the funds so they just help who they can and you're SOL if you're not one of them - especially if once you turn 18 you're also rejected by the people who took you in and helped you.
Of those people who're left to fend for themselves there's an even higher rate of them turning to criminals and ending up in jail less tha 2 years later. I really need to find that website cause I thought you guys were much more informed about the failings of the adoption program than this. It's not just a hard life for the kids but for many of them it leads them down bad paths for life... it's a serious issue that local governments can't do much to help and the federal government isn't concerned with one bit...
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:30 am
The_Transmogrified 1024yyim The_Transmogrified 1024yyim You all make great points. There's a part of me that just wants to yell "Abortion is MURDER" but I'm a fair person when it comes to debate, believe it or not! lol When I think about abortion, my head spins, and I feel very sick. On the television awhile ago, I saw a walk to stop abortion, and do you know what was in the crowds? Signs, and t-shirts that said things like "I had an abortion, and I'm proud of it!" ... Can you believe that? That mother was proud she KILLED her CHILD! A LIVING creature inside her. If a baby puts a mother's life in danger, that's the only time I believe a child should be aborted. Raped? No. I'm aware that adoption doesn't really work at all in the US. But is that really an excuse to take away their right to live? That's like your mother saying to you now "I'm sorry, I can't take care of you, and I don't think you should be put into adoption, so I'll just kill you instead." Doesn't that sound a little wrong?
but I've got friends who were adopted as children, and they hate the life they live even though it's better than any life for someone who the program didn't help.
I don't think that a person who has a child inide them would be too willing to send it off to a life they'd hate... but as far as people bringing up the "solution" of adoption as a way to avoid abortion... they should spend less time rallying and mroe in fixing the program - because it's not a solution at this point and though I'm not a psychic or anything I don't even see it being even a decent solution for the next decade.If I were to be pregnant, I would not want to send it into a life they'd hate, yes, but I would certainly not want to kill it instead. Have you heard "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."? Even if they had to live for 18 years in a place or life they hate, poverty can be a good thing. (especially if you're religious, but I won't get into that) But you're right, there should be more attention devoted to making our adoption program better. We have so many people here saying "Oh, there are so many poor starving kids in China! Let's go adopt a Chinese baby!" And that's great and all, but part of me thinks we should take care of the poor starving kids HERE first. Heheh. xp
And secondly it's not just living for "18 years" in a plaace they hate... I wish I kept the link (and wil;l; look for it again if you want) but there's a high percentage of youth who in California turn 18 and then are left to fend for themselves from then on. The state government is s'posed to support them for 3 or so more years by sending them checks but there's so many people they don't have the funds so they just help who they can and you're SOL if you're not one of them - especially if once you turn 18 you're also rejected by the people who took you in and helped you.
Of those people who're left to fend for themselves there's an even higher rate of them turning to criminals and ending up in jail less tha 2 years later. I really need to find that website cause I thought you guys were much more informed about the failings of the adoption program than this. It's not just a hard life for the kids but for many of them it leads them down bad paths for life... it's a serious issue that local governments can't do much to help and the federal government isn't concerned with one bit...Believe me, I've researched the subject of adoption, a lot. I know the failings of it. By the time they're 16, though, they should be working on getting a job of some sort, and by the time they're 18, hopefully, they'll be able to do something with there lives other than becoming criminals. Of course, it is hard for children that have no real home to get a job, and most the adoption agencies don't do much, if anything to help. But this brings me back to what you said, the adoption program can and should be fixed. The slightest change for the better could make a world of difference. I should do more research before saying anything further, though. I'm not used to talking to intelligent people. xd
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:45 am
1024yyim Believe me, I've researched the subject of adoption, a lot. I know the failings of it. By the time they're 16, though, they should be working on getting a job of some sort, and by the time they're 18, hopefully, they'll be able to do something with there lives other than becoming criminals. Of course, it is hard for children that have no real home to get a job, and most the adoption agencies don't do much, if anything to help. But this brings me back to what you said, the adoption program can and should be fixed. The slightest change for the better could make a world of difference. I should do more research before saying anything further, though. I'm not used to talking to intelligent people. xd
Umm... I guess in summary I'm not Pro-Abortion but Anti-Adoption sweatdrop I'd prefer Abortion not be legal - but there should be an alternative for it that's not Adoption because Adoption just doesn't work...
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:57 pm
The_Transmogrified 1024yyim Believe me, I've researched the subject of adoption, a lot. I know the failings of it. By the time they're 16, though, they should be working on getting a job of some sort, and by the time they're 18, hopefully, they'll be able to do something with there lives other than becoming criminals. Of course, it is hard for children that have no real home to get a job, and most the adoption agencies don't do much, if anything to help. But this brings me back to what you said, the adoption program can and should be fixed. The slightest change for the better could make a world of difference. I should do more research before saying anything further, though. I'm not used to talking to intelligent people. xd
Umm... I guess in summary I'm not Pro-Abortion but Anti-Adoption sweatdrop I'd prefer Abortion not be legal - but there should be an alternative for it that's not Adoption because Adoption just doesn't work...XD! Well maybe, but you argued your case very well! Go you! XD! And even though it seemed I was debating against you, you pretty much summarized my own views as well. XD!
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:01 pm
1024yyim The_Transmogrified 1024yyim Believe me, I've researched the subject of adoption, a lot. I know the failings of it. By the time they're 16, though, they should be working on getting a job of some sort, and by the time they're 18, hopefully, they'll be able to do something with there lives other than becoming criminals. Of course, it is hard for children that have no real home to get a job, and most the adoption agencies don't do much, if anything to help. But this brings me back to what you said, the adoption program can and should be fixed. The slightest change for the better could make a world of difference. I should do more research before saying anything further, though. I'm not used to talking to intelligent people. xd
Umm... I guess in summary I'm not Pro-Abortion but Anti-Adoption sweatdrop I'd prefer Abortion not be legal - but there should be an alternative for it that's not Adoption because Adoption just doesn't work...XD! Well maybe, but you argued your case very well! Go you! XD! And even though it seemed I was debating against you, you pretty much summarized my own views as well. XD!
3nodding It's cause you'd have to be stupid to think killing a child should be legal... but there's some cases that seem to be "the exception" so we try to look for an alternative so we can make it illegal for everyone... and just don't have a decent enough alternative yet...
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