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 Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:35 am
Some of you may not think this is gonna affect you, but it will. for some of us it already has. Our troops in the farce known as the Iraq war are dying at a rate of up to a dozen a day. Why? They're outgunned and undersupplied. our republican congress has the nerve to deny the military, no, your brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, parents, cousins and family friends the body armor and weaponry they need to effectively carry out their duties? People are dying, doesn't anyone care? My biggest fear is them imposing a draft. I'm 16, in a little over a year, i have to register for said draft. Don't get me wrong, i would gladly die to protect this country. but if it came down to that, i'd want to die for something i really believe in, not someone's "pet war".
But what about North Korea? well, they never had nuclear weapons until after sanctions were imposed over a trivial treaty infraction that was labelled later as a "clerical error" and no, warheads weren't their original goal. first, it was to provide power plants. then our president went and pised off the already unstable communist leader, so now nuclear war is in the back of everyone's minds once again.
Please keep in mind that i am merely expressing an opinion. i don't mean to offend anyone. i'm also very interested in what your reactions to the current issues happen to be.
Merry meet, and Merry part. Blessed be to all of you.
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:28 am
Mind if I be blunt? Please note I don't intend to be disrespectful, I just... well, read below.
Troups die at a rate of dozens a day? That's just war, kid. This really is nothing in excess of what could be expected from this conflict. Were this a more serious conflict, you could easily expect fatalities in the hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands. Don't use supply issues as a scapegoat for the fact that war simply kills people. Compared to the casualties of Iraq, Americans have suffered very little in this war. Very, very little. I find it a bit apalling that one can complain about American casualties when they are so minimal compared to the suffering of the Iraqi people. It isn't that people do not care about the American deaths; frankly I see the opposite. Moreso, people in this country don't seem to care about the Iraqi deaths. How utterly self-centered of us, huh?
I do empathize with your concern over the draft. Bush, though, said flat out during his election campaigns a while ago that he would NOT start a draft. I fully expect him to stick to that. If he does, it is your duty as an American citizen to serve if you get drafted. Even if you do not agree with the cause, sometimes greater causes are more important than an individual's selfish wants. Civic duty comes above your own selfish needs and wants, be that duty from the draft or to follow the laws of the land. I doubt if many want to get drafted for any war or for any reason, but if it happens, you MUST set aside that selfishness and serve your country. You can still protest all you want and fight using your vote to change the politics to your favor. But if you are drafted, you will serve. And when and if you do... you'll find something meaningful to love about what you're doing!
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:10 pm
Starlock Mind if I be blunt? Please note I don't intend to be disrespectful, I just... well, read below. Troups die at a rate of dozens a day? That's just war, kid. This really is nothing in excess of what could be expected from this conflict. Were this a more serious conflict, you could easily expect fatalities in the hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands. Don't use supply issues as a scapegoat for the fact that war simply kills people. Compared to the casualties of Iraq, Americans have suffered very little in this war. Very, very little. I find it a bit apalling that one can complain about American casualties when they are so minimal compared to the suffering of the Iraqi people. It isn't that people do not care about the American deaths; frankly I see the opposite. Moreso, people in this country don't seem to care about the Iraqi deaths. How utterly self-centered of us, huh? I do empathize with your concern over the draft. Bush, though, said flat out during his election campaigns a while ago that he would NOT start a draft. I fully expect him to stick to that. If he does, it is your duty as an American citizen to serve if you get drafted. Even if you do not agree with the cause, sometimes greater causes are more important than an individual's selfish wants. Civic duty comes above your own selfish needs and wants, be that duty from the draft or to follow the laws of the land. I doubt if many want to get drafted for any war or for any reason, but if it happens, you MUST set aside that selfishness and serve your country. You can still protest all you want and fight using your vote to change the politics to your favor. But if you are drafted, you will serve. And when and if you do... you'll find something meaningful to love about what you're doing! indeed you are correct. when i said "people are dying" i meant to leave that open. it just makes me sad to see that our civilization may already be beyond saving.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:44 pm
Who says civilization is the pinnacle of social evolution? I doubt that it is. Centralization of populations in cities is a very recent development in human culture and is a good mode for survival in some instances, but now we're feeling the ill-effects. Living close to the land is, for the long term, more sustainable although the trade off is that you have higher mortality rates and generally less technological achievement.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:14 am
Well i have friends in iraq right now as i type this and i still dont care i live in phoenix arizona and more people die in a day here then the whole of the war sure not all of them are good people but not all soldiers are good people either. I supose im very insensative when it comes to things like this since i hate humanity. Not to mention soldiers signed up knowing what the risks were every sodier knows they could get stuck in a war even if there is a time of piece which might i remind everyone there has never been a generation that has not seen a war.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:13 pm
I personally hate George W. Bush. Everythign he does, I ahte. Everythign he says I hate. Espicially the war. My sister was sent to Iraq September of 2005. Everytime she called, someone that she knew, got hurt killed, or injured. I mean is this worth it?
George W. Bush's Father started this when he was president and if Im correct, it was about oil. Geroge W. Bush is onle finishing his fathers work. He has no reason to have our troops there, I think they bomb the twin towers because he started it, why just all of a sudden they'd do such thing. Since they knew he is the son of George Bush i think that they thoguht it was the right time to do what they did.
He is personally the worst president and he needs to trip and fall on nails pointings upwards.
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:56 pm
No, the war isn't worth it... but using Bush as a scapegoat is not appropriate. All branches of government have their fare share in creating the nation's current standing. People commonly scapegoat the President because he's the figurehead and an easy target; that doesn't mean he is wholely responsible for everything. Granted it is his job as an executive to bear oversight on governmental processes, but the other branches check and balance that power. However, when there is not bipartisanship or you have one party totally in control, that check-balance doesn't happen. Don't forget... Congress has approved the Iraq war. Bush wouldn't have been able to do s**t unless he had a budget for the war approved by Congress.
If you don't like how the government is doing its job... VOTE. If you can't vote, WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMEN or JOIN ORGANIZATIONS WHO REPRESENT YOUR INTERESTS who also have political sway!
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:28 pm
Starlock does have some points...
I remember my mother saying that we should have done this back when Bush Sr. was in office...we were already there, and we would have good reason to AND backing from many, many other nations.
Going it alone and at the wrong time was our major problem logistically. Ethically is another matter.
But I really don't want to get into this huge debate, which is why I gave my mother's view.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:39 pm
meh. the whole plan is to "establish democracy in the heart middle east"
now for anyone who knows anything about medicine, what happens when one transplants an organ into an incompatible/non-matching body?
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:28 am
Excert I think they bomb the twin towers because... Erm...Iraq didn't bomb the towers, love. There's no reason to be there at all, actually. *laughs a lil* It's just because of Bush. And y'all can say that it's not him, but seriously. The vote goes with him because he's the president. People don't want to vote against him. ->Voting really doesn't help anyway, considering that Bush had thousands less votes when he won.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:09 pm
Starlock Mind if I be blunt? Please note I don't intend to be disrespectful, I just... well, read below. Troups die at a rate of dozens a day? That's just war, kid. This really is nothing in excess of what could be expected from this conflict. Were this a more serious conflict, you could easily expect fatalities in the hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands. Don't use supply issues as a scapegoat for the fact that war simply kills people. Compared to the casualties of Iraq, Americans have suffered very little in this war. Very, very little. I find it a bit apalling that one can complain about American casualties when they are so minimal compared to the suffering of the Iraqi people. It isn't that people do not care about the American deaths; frankly I see the opposite. Moreso, people in this country don't seem to care about the Iraqi deaths. How utterly self-centered of us, huh? I do empathize with your concern over the draft. Bush, though, said flat out during his election campaigns a while ago that he would NOT start a draft. I fully expect him to stick to that. If he does, it is your duty as an American citizen to serve if you get drafted. Even if you do not agree with the cause, sometimes greater causes are more important than an individual's selfish wants. Civic duty comes above your own selfish needs and wants, be that duty from the draft or to follow the laws of the land. I doubt if many want to get drafted for any war or for any reason, but if it happens, you MUST set aside that selfishness and serve your country. You can still protest all you want and fight using your vote to change the politics to your favor. But if you are drafted, you will serve. And when and if you do... you'll find something meaningful to love about what you're doing! As far as I see it...this war we are fighting just seems pointless. Of all the fights and wars that we have been through, they all start from either buding in to other country affairs or we end up pissing of the other country. Yeah, the east hates our guts. Because of the damage and conflict we are helping to cause. America is selfish if u think of it. We are the center of all attetion in this danmed world. We get the glory for going out and killing inocents when all we are after are a few crazy terrorist. And do we pay back the damaged we have done to those people?...of course not. I mean, look what we did to countries like Vietnam. We ******** destroyed their everyday living lives in Saiogon from that toxic dioxin during the stupid war. People still suffer with that. But we dont do anything to help those people who suffer the deadly sideaffects that can kill them and their children. Yeah...lets send our ppl out to war...a war that makes no sence...just to risk lives and give what this stupid country wants...POWER....all we just want is power...every major county and nation just wants power. A pointless fight, that in the end will just end in disaster...
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:21 pm
Simon_Magnus Excert I think they bomb the twin towers because... Erm...Iraq didn't bomb the towers, love. There's no reason to be there at all, actually. *laughs a lil* It's just because of Bush. And y'all can say that it's not him, but seriously. The vote goes with him because he's the president. People don't want to vote against him. ->Voting really doesn't help anyway, considering that Bush had thousands less votes when he won.
Who said Iraq did?
The war is in Afganistan also..
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:40 am
Simon_Magnus Excert I think they bomb the twin towers because... Erm...Iraq didn't bomb the towers, love. There's no reason to be there at all, actually. *laughs a lil* It's just because of Bush. And y'all can say that it's not him, but seriously. The vote goes with him because he's the president. People don't want to vote against him. ->Voting really doesn't help anyway, considering that Bush had thousands less votes when he won. of course not.he had money and connections. that's all that matters. and one more thing: how does one fit equality and diversity into the same society. think about it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:03 pm
this stupid war revolves almost all over the east. and lets not forget North Korea....the one communist country that has been against us since WW2....They would just love to nuke us...they even say they has bomb testing on the ******** communist problems...(pardon my french)
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:24 pm
Alright, Bush Jr. IS at fault for this war. Yes, there are other governmental in power who happens to make it like this, but Bush gives the final word. So, yes, he is at fault for this battle over oil. And it is for the oil, never for the freedom. Our nation is dying out at it is. Infact, I bet that most of you know about how we're suddenly indebt to China. When Clinton was in power, we were much better. At a low for employment. NOT IN DEBT. So what if he had an affare. It's human nature, that's it. Bush is the cause for this war against Sadam and Bin-Ladin. Remember, not everyone in both Iraq and Afganistan are a part of this. Just face the fact. Bush Jr. isn't a scapegoat, but he IS an idiot in power. Besides, he might pull that the fact we're in war to STAY in power! Have you even thought of that? Congrats if you have. Bush Jr. is in the history book as the 'Biggest fool of a Presedent for the US'. Seriously he makes the corperate america look perfect.
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