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Starlock

PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:37 am


Coming Out of the Broom Closet!

This article was posted up on the Vox this week and I thought it would make a good discussion topic for us here. If you prefer to read the article direct, the title above is a link back to the article. Otherwise, read the full-text article quoted below. At the end, I shall include some discussion questions in relation to this article. Please don't fear the textiness... I'm interested to hear some responses! whee

EthlynneWillow

I have gotten completely caught up in the fight that Roberta Stewart and Circle Sanctuary are engaged in against the VA. Their fight to have the Pentacle approved as an emblem of faith on fallen soldiers’ grave markers is something we should all pay attention to. This is more than just a bereaved widow's plea to have the sacred symbol of her and her husband's faith inscribed on a piece of marble; it is a fight to ensure the continued freedoms of religion for Wiccans and all other non-mainstream faiths. It is more than a slap in the face that the VA continues to deny this request. They turned their backs, snubbed their noses, and shrugged their shoulders at us like we are just a pesky, buzzing, annoying insect that will fly away if they continue to ignore us.

But then, as I was driving into town the other day, the thought crossed my mind: How many of us don't or won't wear our pentacles openly out in public? How many keep them securely tucked inside our garments or hidden away in the back of the dresser? How can we expect the VA, or society in general, to accept our emblem of faith if we hide it away like it is some dirty little secret that should never see the light of day? The only way we can end the misbeliefs and hysteria about Wiccans (or God Forbid -- Witches!) is for us to be as open and public as we can about who we are and what we believe.

For some, I know this could be scary, and in smaller Bible belt communities, perhaps even dangerous. You know your social waters better than I, so it needs to be a matter of personal discretion. I live in a small town too, but I wear my Pentacle and spiral Goddess pendant openly. It is my choice (as it is yours) to be open about who I am and to accept the consequences.

As of today, the only response I have gotten to my public Pentacle display is questions -- a lot of questions! When I answer their questions about the general precepts and beliefs of Wicca, they have shown interest and none have been negative or condemning. If I were to confront anyone with such uneducated behavior, I would not engage them until they were at least ready to listen. You can't have any kind of discussion with someone who has a closed mind. You will only create more hostility and rejection of your point of view or beliefs if you try. If and when they come to you with an open mind and are ready to listen without chastising you to their Hell, then tell them as candidly as you would any new seeker.

The Pentacle quest is only one and the most recent issue regarding our rights to practice our religion of choice. The recent airing on Lifetime of the story of Brandi Blackbear, who was ostracized by her fellow classmates and faculty where she attended school, showed how ignorance and fear can spread when knowledge is suppressed.

Although Brandi was not actually practicing Wicca or Witchcraft, out of fear and ignorance she was accused of practicing the Craft and casting spells and placing hexes on her teacher, causing him to become sick and require hospitalization. As a result, notebooks where she had recorded her research into Wicca were seized, her locker searched, and she was expelled from school! What hysteria by supposedly educated people! The point is, they had no right to do what they did even if she had been practicing Wicca!

In 2004, a Schaumberg, IL insurance company, Crawford and Company, fired Rebecca Sommers once she declared she was a Wiccan. Up to that time, all her performance reviews had been favorable and she had received bonuses. Once she let her faith be known and requested a day off for a Wiccan Sabbat, she was told to keep her religion to herself and others called her a devil worshipper. After that, supervisors started criticizing her performance and claiming she was not performing satisfactorily and she was subsequently fired. Her case is still pending in IL courts. What would they have done if she had declared herself to be an Atheist? Taken away Christmas and Easter as holidays?

If you think the blind hysteria of the 1600’s is gone today, think again and read some of the articles on the “witch craze” of Kinshasa in the African Congo River Basin. Hundreds of children are being accused and abused by their families for being Witches! (Of course their practice of Witchcraft has nothing at all in common with today’s Wicca!) They are turned out into the streets, shunned by the villagers, and left to defend for themselves in anyway they can. They are beaten, burned and accused of flying with the birds, eating human flesh and communing with the Devil.

To me the most horrifying part of this story is the role the Christian fundamentalist sects in the Congo are playing in this nightmare. They have made a business out of identifying witches! For a fee of $5 or $10, parents can bring their troubled children to these “investigators” and they will interrogate the child to determine whether or not they are possessed. For an added fee, they will exorcize the child by withholding food and water for several days and beating and torturing him to exorcize the devil within. What fuels this type of mania? Ignorance! But people, this is a third world country, not the United States of America.

Could any of this happen to you? Frankly, yes. For centuries we have practiced in the shadows because of the fear, ignorance, and misinformation that is rampant among the masses. Out of this age-old tradition of mistrust and fear, Wiccans and Pagans have kept their knowledge, beliefs and practices hidden from the world.

No one accuses a physician of being a devil worshipper because they can perform miraculous healings. No one calls an astronomer a heretic because they can read the stars or know the mysteries of the universe. I’ve yet to hear P. Allen Smith (well known gardener) accused of witchery because he is well versed in the knowledge of plants. These practices are not practiced in secret and are no more evil than the practices of the Craft.

If a nation like Zimbabwe can lift a ban on witchcraft that went back to Colonial times, what is wrong in this supposedly well-educated, enlightened, freedom-embracing country?

In April 2006 the country of Romania officially recognized Witchcraft as a legal occupation. Thirty-one year old Gabriela Chukar challenged the courts over her chosen profession as a “medium” and finally won after months of testimony and deliberation.

We have more to gain by being honest and open (as we can be) about what the Pentacle means to us. Show people how gentle and awe-inspiring our faith and traditions are. That doesn't mean go do public rituals or proselytize on every street corner. Just be who you are! This is your faith, the call you answered from the Goddess.

Don't hide Her in the closet or under your clothes. Be proud of who you are! Stand up for what you believe! Nearly all of us have come from ancestral lines that were the first adopters of the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. They fought for religious freedoms, and now it is our turn to carry on the fight.

Step out of your Broom Closet and stand up for all paths of Paganism.

People have always feared the dark, and if we stay in the dark, they will continue to fear what they do not understand.

Live and practice in the light and erase the shadows that surround us so that the centuries-old contagion of fear can be eradicated.


arrow Are you in the closet? If so, why? If not, how has this treated you?
arrow The author of the article suggets some very positive effects of coming out of the closet... namely promoting tolerance and understanding of Pagan paths in others. What do you think about this? Is this a good reason to be openly Pagan?
arrow Should we as Pagans feel an obligation to educate the community about our beleifs? Is it better instead to adopt to only educate those who ask as this author suggets?
arrow
PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:25 am


I'm not hidding in any closet. Being where I live, I am so lucky. So many around me are pagan or are of similiar religions. I wear two pentacles, an ankh, and my goddess symbol all the time. There is so many stores around here that sell pentacles and ankhs and other religious symbols. Two of my sisters aslo wear pentacles; however, i have one who prefers the Catholic religion. We get along fine and I love her and she loves me! She doesn't come to our festivals that we have just because she doesn't think she'll have fun not because it's something she doesn't believe in.

I agree with the author. I believe if more people understand what the pentacle really means then they would be more respectful. I had one friend who believed it ment devil whorshiping. I told him that, "how could that be when i don't even believe in a devil." Afterwards, I explained to him what it ment and now he understands and respects the symbol alot more.

The last question is a good one. I look at it in two ways. The first, would be yes we should just because some people don't understand what we do and they start spreading lies and rumours about Pagans and Wiccans giving them bad names. The second, i wouldn't want people just coming up to me and trying to convert me. It is our religion and if we are happy then we dont' need to educate people. In my case i don't need to explain to anyone. But in the examples the author gives in her article i would want to educate people if we are emotionaly and pyshically getting hurt by lack of education. I believe it depends on the situation. If you arn't getting hurt or affended by people's lack of education towards your religion then don't worry. If people treat you fare and equally and don't wish to learn about your relgion then you don't need to educate them. I mean how many religions do you know inside and out yet you respect them?

Aurora234


Silver Mist
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:10 pm


arrow I'm am in fact still partially in the closet. I say partially for a reason. Those I work with, act with, go to school with, and my friends all know that I am in fact pagan and a witch. Unfortunately, my family is extremely catholic and would denounce me should they find out. So, until the day comes that I make it through without their finacial support, I stay a non-religious, non-church going, non-caring young adult in their eyes. I often worry about what sort of person this makes me, but for now, its nessecary for me to get anywhere in life. I think it will also prove to my parents in the future that wiches and pagans are real people with real jobs and regular lives.

arrow I plan to be no more open with my faith after college than I am now with strangers. In other words, if asked I would explain. Otherwise, I'm not a huge fan of discussing it. I felt the same when I was christian, however.

arrow I feel that educating people about the belief system of pagans is a good thing and should be done to a minor extent when the opportunity arises. I spent samhain explaining to several people that Halloween is not a day for devil worshippers, etc. That nature based religions celebrate it as the end of the harvest days and the begnning of a new year. I feel that that is the sort of information that can and should be shared.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:08 pm


I'm very open about the fact that I'm Pagan. I don't flaunt it, but I don't hide it either. I always wear my pentacle too, and proudly.


Should we feel an obligation to educate the community? Certainly, insofar as anyone should feel an obligation to educate the community about themselves. There are obvious misconceptions about what Paganism is, and we should do what we can to correct them. Just like anyone else would.

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Aurora234

PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:12 pm


I agree! We should educate people but not forcefully unless they are being very mislead.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:03 am


There are some Pagans, though, for better or worse, who both don't see it as their job to educate others and who don't want to educate others. They don't seem to care if others have misconceptions. Other times they don't believe themselves capable of handling the questions they might receive. The latter I can understand, but I have trouble with the former. I can't imagine how anyone could be so apathetic to all the misconceptions and ignorance that is out there!

Ironically it's hard for me to place myself in terms of "Broom Closet" in my own poll (laughs). For me, I'm openly Pagan, but people don't always KNOW in spite of the dress and jewlery. If people don't ask or bring it up in conversation, I can't know if they know... you know? lol I do wish to serve as a positive model for all of us in the community here and I know I can do that. I try to stay appraised of issues in the community (as hard as that is given how fragemented we are) and also learn of other religions so I'm not ignorant of other's paths. Can't expect them to know my path if I don't know theirs, eh?

Starlock


DavarGrey

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:37 am


Starlock
arrow Are you in the closet? If so, why? If not, how has this treated you?


Not a bit of it... and honestly it could be treating me better. For the most part though I'm so brash and direct that even the most vehement and venomous learn to back off and stop trying to convert me... that and the questions I present then about their own faith tends to unesettle them. I can't wear my pentacle at work because of uniform standards (aimed at jewelry in general, not at the pentacle) but I still wear it under the shirt and it's quick to come out when I want to explain myself. Heck, even one of the nuns at the convent where I work as a night guard knows I'm a pagan... and now seems a touch flighty around me... I think I made her think too much about during our monotheism vs. polytheism arguement. (I choose that as my rebuttle for her atempt to convert me as it was easier to argue for why I couldn't accept that there was only one god then it was to explain the many other important aspects of paganism).

Starlock
arrow The author of the article suggets some very positive effects of coming out of the closet... namely promoting tolerance and understanding of Pagan paths in others. What do you think about this? Is this a good reason to be openly Pagan?


I don't know about promoting tollerence... but as I'm stuck in Cincinnati Ohio true tollerence is a long way off. Awareness definitely, and perhaps a touch of "We're here, and we're not going to go away". I'm not under any illusions that most of those around me wouldn't gladly see me gone.

Starlock
arrow Should we as Pagans feel an obligation to educate the community about our beleifs? Is it better instead to adopt to only educate those who ask as this author suggets?


I don't know much about any obligation, but to be honest, I am sick and tired of people saying "oh thats a star of David isn't it?" and "Oh, I read about Pagans, they're people who don't believe in anything"... and the idiot who used some book that was all about disproving The Da Vinci Code as actual research about paganism was fun. And then when he told me he'd talked to all kinds of people about the topic, I asked him if any of those people were Pagans... and of course the answer was no. Kinda reminded me of college, where proffessors would say they were experts on this culture or that culture, and then come to find out they'd learned it all from books and even the authors of those books had written what they had written without actually interviewing any members of said culture.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:14 pm


DavarGrey
I think I made her think too much about during our monotheism vs. polytheism arguement. (I choose that as my rebuttle for her atempt to convert me as it was easier to argue for why I couldn't accept that there was only one god then it was to explain the many other important aspects of paganism).


Next time, you should explain to them that the divine isn't a numbers game to begin with if you look at it from a religiously diverse perspective. A professor of religion I had back when I was in college explained it quite well, but here's a summary of what he said:

Starlock
The Divine Isn't a Numbers Game!


One of the primary ways Western thought divides religious beliefs is by asking questions about the nature of the Divine. A question about the Divine that is often a starting point is: how many? How many Divinities are there in the religion? Is the system Monotheistic or Polytheistic?

Monotheism is defined as a religion with one God/Goddess, and Polytheism is defined as a religion with many Gods/Goddesses. Yet can any religion truly be stuck in any of these two categories?

Every religion, be it labeled as Monotheistic or Polytheistic, has elements of unity and multiplicity in how it views the divine. The difference lies within *which* of these is worshiped and honored in prime, not the "how many" question.

In a religion traditionally labeled Monotheistic, the focus of religious practice is on that big overarching unified thing. Call it God, call it the Ulitmate, it dosen't matter. This big unified Being can be related to on a personal level. There are, however, numerous other demi-deities in the religion. Saints. Angels. Demons. And if there's any immanence in the religion, aspects of the material world can be seen as divine.

In a religion traditionally labeled Polytheistic, the focus is on the multiplicity of spirits or deities. There's always, though, some overarching concept of unity to things. Fate, if you will. But this concept is so impersonal and so far beyond that it isn't the focus of worship or prayer. Instead you honor the unified Being through the natural forces, many divine domains, and whatnot.

I find this to be a great way to help cross religious boundaries between two things which seem, on the surface, to be completely incompatible with one another. And, of course, crossing boundaries promotes tolerance!

So to summarize in a simpler format:

Monotheism
--- the Unified Being is personal and CAN be related to directly
--- the divine tends to be Transcendent
--- a number of "spiritual beings" are associated with the religion but are NOT the focus of worship

Polytheism
--- The Unified Being is impersonal and CANNOT be related to directly
--- the divine tends to be Immanent
--- a number of "spiritual beings" are associated with the religion and ARE the focus of worship


See how she handles THAT! whee

Starlock


DavarGrey

PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:48 pm


Starlock
See how she handles THAT! whee


Think I better wait until she comes to grips with why she was so reluctent to answer questions about who made the hell she kept talking about... I kinda outright suggested that her evasion of direct questions suggested she had doubts about her faith (this being a woman who must be like eighty and has been catholic all her life). Based on the change in her demenor over the last week... I think I made her start thinking some very uncomfortable things.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:43 am


DavarGrey
Starlock
See how she handles THAT! whee


Think I better wait until she comes to grips with why she was so reluctent to answer questions about who made the hell she kept talking about... I kinda outright suggested that her evasion of direct questions suggested she had doubts about her faith (this being a woman who must be like eighty and has been catholic all her life). Based on the change in her demenor over the last week... I think I made her start thinking some very uncomfortable things.


(nods) That can be challenging. Having douts is required in my mind for having faith. If you don't have a measure of uncertainty, how can you put faith or trust in something? Otherwise it's just a certainty, right?

Starlock


Silvander

PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:54 am


arrow I, like Silver Mist, am partially in the closet for many of the same reasons and will not be open until I am living on my own. It seems to be the mode for many of our young Pagan friends around here.

arrow Being openly pagan may in fact make some people more tolerant simply by exposure, much as the gay culture has gotten along (nothing against gays- I'm half gay myself, this is just used as an example). However, I am not ready or willing as yet to expose myself to the initial firestorm of negativity that is inevitable in my place in life right now.

arrow I have explained a pentacle to my mother (not in strictly pagan terms) and pointed out a number of heathen things that have made thier way into modern life. My parents know several of my friends are pagan. I'm beginning to normalize paganism for them to prepare them for my eventual out-coming. I am always willing to talk to others about paganism if they are willing not to be scary fundies out for burning me. But I do not actively prosetylize. That seems to be solely the realm of "go forth and spread the good news" people.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:43 am


DavarGrey


Starlock
arrow The author of the article suggets some very positive effects of coming out of the closet... namely promoting tolerance and understanding of Pagan paths in others. What do you think about this? Is this a good reason to be openly Pagan?


I don't know about promoting tollerence... but as I'm stuck in Cincinnati Ohio true tollerence is a long way off. Awareness definitely, and perhaps a touch of "We're here, and we're not going to go away". I'm not under any illusions that most of those around me wouldn't gladly see me gone.


Cinci really isnt that much worse than most cities, especially in this area of the country.

(I live in NKY and go to UC)

Silver Mist
Crew


Selvarn

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:46 am


over all i think where i live (edmonton) is a very open place, there is several thousand( maybe more pagans withing the city) and all the time i see people wearing penticles on a ring or pendant, where there are some people who would be afraid to let it be know, i find that there is still a large open comunity here, we even have a pagan servaces assosiatio here. beyond that there are some 7 wiccan/pagan stores here. i love canada's acceptiness
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:34 am


It seems that Canada is a good place for Neopaganism, but I could be misguided in that assessment as my sources and scope is limited. One of the podcasts I listen to regularly (Deos Shadow) is out of Ontario, Canada and from the events they report it suggests that there is a very healthy community in that area. Lucky... crying

Starlock


MsAmberly

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:33 pm


arrow Are you in the closet? If so, why? If not, how has this treated you?
Well... I like to say that I'm not entirely out but the door is open for anyone to peak if they are interested. I am out to a few people in a homeschool group I take my son to. No one there has any details and I don't particularly care to press the issue. I have offered answers when questioned but it's always been on a very basic level.

arrow The author of the article suggets some very positive effects of coming out of the closet... namely promoting tolerance and understanding of Pagan paths in others. What do you think about this? Is this a good reason to be openly Pagan?
I think that for as much as some get a good response for promoting tolerance and understanding, there are just as many, maybe more, with young children they wish to raise safely before getting involved. I have an 11 year old son whom I'd like to know me and my path on a very personal level before going out into a world that will pose a large amount of negative feedback on anything non-Christian. He and I both should be able to fend off those more strongly opposed before I decide to be openly pagan.

arrow Should we as Pagans feel an obligation to educate the community about our beleifs? Is it better instead to adopt to only educate those who ask as this author suggets?
Yes, I think it is best to only share with those truly interested in understanding. There are already a number of people out there who have learned a thing or two about a few different pagan paths and then reported their learnings in a very twisted and nasty light. Aside from that, I honestly don't want to see any form of paganism turn into some pushy religion in a shouting competition with Christianity for members.
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