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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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 Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:25 am
In Iceland whaling has now been restarted. It is an important part of the economy there, but it is wiping out some of the most endangered species on the planet. What comes first? Economy or Ecology?
I, personally am disgusted by this.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:16 am
I'm totally opposed to whaling. It's simply barbaric. sad People who claim the economy is more important than anything else have got their priorities wrong.
There's no justification for profiting from the abuse of animals and degredation of marine ecosystems.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:58 am
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:49 am
I'm undecided on this. I think that whaling should be allowed, but to a quota and if it goes over then there should be fines and/or stopped for a period of time. It's more of a compromise. You can't completely neglect the needs of people who depend on fishing etc. as a way of life, yet I do not think that they should be killing off the whale population.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:01 am
But I think that a species come above the economy of villages.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:21 am
donnythephoenix But I think that a species come above the economy of villages. True, but there are whales not just in Iceland, but all over the world. And you can't just be completely one sided, because there is a human concern too not just whales. It's being completely biased. Now I couldn't care less about the local economies, but I just don't like people being so completely biased that they just ignore several hundred peoples' lives. You can't be like that. You have to look at the other side before you can come to a rational and visable conclusion. Yes, save the whales, but also help to save the lives of those who depend on fishing.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:38 am
I agree that you have to look at the effect on peoples lives, but I think that poaching whales is an outdated ideal. We are living in an age of great wealth. We should be investing in business' that are not so immoral and idiotic.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:50 am
I agree with you. I don't think that we should be killing them, only that if they insist on killing them (which they do) then we can't totally ignore their point of veiw. And considering that they have made it legal, I think that it should be to a quota, so that not too many whales are killed because of it.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:28 am
People don't 'need' to kill whales - the products produced are entirely unneeded: whale meat is a high-priced "novelty food" like caviar; in industrialized nations it is not eaten by poor people. Whales are not a threat to fish stocks - the threat to fish stocks comes from human over-fishing.
Whaling is also so cruel that it can't be justified on the basis of people's livelihoods. Whales are highly intelligent animals and condoning whaling is condeming them to suffer a prolonged and painful death, as there is no guaranteed humane way to kill a whale at sea. The death times for the large whales ranges from 15 minutes to more than an hour after a whale has had a blunt harpoon driven into its intestines.
The Icelandic government should put more emphasis on supporting its already valuable and growing industry of eco-tourism and whale watching.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:15 pm
I agree that whaling is unjustafiable, unneeded and out dated. I also belive in ecology over economy, but its like drugs, alcohol, etc, people are going to do it legal or not and having a VERY low quota on what they can do is basicly the best we can do.
Personally, I think it is a barbaric and ridiculous waste of time, money and resources and that the people involved have crossed the "acceptably morbid" line.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:44 am
I think it could be banned - If people broke the law and were caught whaling they could be brought before a court or international tribunal. Their boat and equipment could be conviscated straight away, as well as the fine or other penalty they would face. It might not stop everyone from trying, but if the law was rigidly enforced it could certainly help by acting as both deterant and punishment.
As for drug use (this is me wobbling off topic now! ><), I think it's a different issue because they only person who could be directly affected or harmed is the person taking the drug. It's not like whaling where another sentient creature is harmed and killed as a result of the whalers' actions. I have no problem with recreational drug use, whether it be legal drugs like caffene, alcohol and nicotene or illegal drugs eg. cannabis, cocaine, magic mushrooms etc. It's a matter of free choice.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:00 am
Badgerkin I think it could be banned - If people broke the law and were caught whaling they could be brought before a court or international tribunal. Their boat and equipment could be conviscated straight away, as well as the fine or other penalty they would face. It might not stop everyone from trying, but if the law was rigidly enforced it could certainly help by acting as both deterant and punishment. As for drug use (this is me wobbling off topic now! ><), I think it's a different issue because they only person who could be directly affected or harmed is the person taking the drug. It's not like whaling where another sentient creature is harmed and killed as a result of the whalers' actions. I have no problem with recreational drug use, whether it be legal drugs like caffene, alcohol and nicotene or illegal drugs eg. cannabis, cocaine, magic mushrooms etc. It's a matter of free choice. *nods*
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:16 pm
Badgerkin I think it could be banned - If people broke the law and were caught whaling they could be brought before a court or international tribunal. Their boat and equipment could be conviscated straight away, as well as the fine or other penalty they would face. It might not stop everyone from trying, but if the law was rigidly enforced it could certainly help by acting as both deterant and punishment. As for drug use (this is me wobbling off topic now! ><), I think it's a different issue because they only person who could be directly affected or harmed is the person taking the drug. It's not like whaling where another sentient creature is harmed and killed as a result of the whalers' actions. I have no problem with recreational drug use, whether it be legal drugs like caffene, alcohol and nicotene or illegal drugs eg. cannabis, cocaine, magic mushrooms etc. It's a matter of free choice. I think it should be banned, and your theory may work but you cant catch everybody and call me a cynic, but I'm, for the most part, a realist. As for my use of drugs/alcohol as an example, I was refering to how making it forbidden fruit increases interest and the value.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:35 am
I think that it is so wrong that they're whaling again, they're killing innocent animals for no reason, and it's just sick!
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