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 Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:00 am
Do you believe it is right? Should it be legal? Would you ever have either of them? Would you frown upon someone that did?
Discuss.
Personally I believe that it is entirely the individuals choice and whatever they choose is right for them. For instance, my grandma had cancer and as she lives in Switzerland (where assisted suicide is legal) she had it set up that if ever the suffering became too much she could die peacefully. In the end, she didn't need it anyway as the cancer killed her.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:42 am
I am all for Euthanasia. I could argue on that for hours, but I don't want to bore you.
Abortion- I am Pro-Choice in the first trimester, but when it goes further, I think it is wrong.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:23 am
donnythephoenix I am all for Euthanasia. I could argue on that for hours, but I don't want to bore you. Abortion- I am Pro-Choice in the first trimester, but when it goes further, I think it is wrong. You won't bore me! I am very interested in your views! What could you go on about for hours? Oh and do you think anyone should be able to have it or should there me special requirements?
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:32 am
I think that Euthanasia should be restricted to the terminally ill. If it is given to people who are depressed I think it inspires defeatism. It gives people an easy way out, when they can fight against it and become a stronger person.
Also, I think Euthanasia allows someone to die with dignity. I think it is important that people can pass on before they reach the stage when they have little or no control over there bodily or mental functions. I think that is cruel.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:58 am
[I moved it because I thought it was too serious for General discussion]
I'm all for abortion, as long as it is up to a point where the child can survive on it's own.
I'm not too sure about euthinasia because I don't know much about it, but I support it. I don't think that life machines and what not are a good thing when the patient concerned will die soon anyway, it just drags their suffering out longer.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:00 pm
I am in favour of euthanasia as long as the person asks for it themselves and it is put on record that they have told more than one doctor of their wishes.
If a doctor is willing to give a lethal injection and is not going to have any guilt problems (i.e. they did believe it was in the patients best interests) about it then it is fine.
I don't believe in euthanisia for people in comas who may well still be aware and may eventually recover - they cannot say what they want to happen to them.
There also would need to be regulations to prevent a doctor from deciding that they know best and 'putting people out of their misery' when not asked, or killing people to free up bed space on wards.
Personally, I'd like to have the option of a relatively painless death if I was suffering a terminal or painful illness.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:28 pm
I am against abortion because I find it hard to justify causing the death of someone who may well be able to feel pain and suffer. The later an abortion is carried out the more unethical I see it as being.
I've found that one of the main disagrements between pro-life and pro-choice people is when during a pregnancy a fetus/embrio/baby becomes a 'person'. Is it at the moment of conception, the moment a fetus is 'viable' or at the moment of birth? I believe it is probably somewhere after conception but long before birth... So I'm not in favour of abortion (other than possibly taking the 'morning after pill')
I don't see how a woman's right (as she sees it) to end her pregnancy and not to give birth is more important and above the right of an unborn baby (which is innocent of any wrong in his/her conception) to simply live.
I am an atheist who does not want to have children by the way...
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:57 pm
I see where you are coming from, but are you suggesting that a raped 14 year old does not get a choice. Or a promising employee who may have to sacrifice her career should not have the choice? I think that people should have a choice, but a choice that has to be made quickly and without unnecessary delay.
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:43 pm
I am Pro-Choice up to the end of the first trimester, before that its not a child really. 1, The mother has a life of her own that has already begun and needs to be lived. A rape victim should not be forced to have a child concived with her rapest. I have no religious qualms I am an atheist, and I do not want children and I would probally resent having to have one. 2, I dont think the government should be able to tell me what I can or cant do with my body. 3, Women wont stop having abortions because its illegal, It will just be more dangerous, and 4, I dont know about the UK, but I have seen what becomes of most of the children in The System in the US, and I would sooner abort then put my child through it.
I believe in euthanasia/The Right to Die, so long as it is not abused and it is a last resort. I would rather experience a quick death than live through a terminal/extremely pianful disease or become a vegitable.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:46 am
donnythephoenix I see where you are coming from, but are you suggesting that a raped 14 year old does not get a choice. Or a promising employee who may have to sacrifice her career should not have the choice? I think that people should have a choice, but a choice that has to be made quickly and without unnecessary delay. Hmmm... There is usually a delay before someone finds out they are pregnant - they might not notice until they miss a period. Also I think you have to have been pregnant for a while for a pregnancy test to come up positive. I would feel bad for the hypothetical raped 14 year old but it is still not the fault of her developing child. In my opinion rapists are a problem of our society - I think sex offenders should be 'fixed' so they can't be released from prison at the end of their sentence only to hurt someone else. As for the hypothetical promising employee if she is an adult who has had consentual sex she ran the risk of getting pregnant. Even if she used contraception there is a small chance it could fail = her risk. The consequence of becoming pregnant is having a baby - the idea that it's okay to 'cut it out and carry on' seems selfish to me. If she doesn't want a child the safest course of action would either be to be sterilized or just to abstain from sex altogether. As for moon child's point about the adoption system, from my understanding it's the older children which are difficult to place in a new family. Childless couples would much rather adopt a baby than an older child which has probably been taken into care as a result of abuse or neglect.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:49 am
What do people think about using human embryonic stem cells for research?
Although I don't agree with abortion I do support this research because the embryo used is only about 4/5 days old (a blastocyst).
It has the potential to be very useful for regenerative medicine and tissue replacement after injury or disease because embryonic stem cells are able to develop into each of the more than 200 cell types of the adult body.
I believe this is a far better direction to be taking medical research in than attempting to grow human body parts and tissues on animals, or using animal organs for transplants (xenotransplantation).
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:33 am
Badgerkin donnythephoenix I see where you are coming from, but are you suggesting that a raped 14 year old does not get a choice. Or a promising employee who may have to sacrifice her career should not have the choice? I think that people should have a choice, but a choice that has to be made quickly and without unnecessary delay. Hmmm... There is usually a delay before someone finds out they are pregnant - they might not notice until they miss a period. Also I think you have to have been pregnant for a while for a pregnancy test to come up positive. I would feel bad for the hypothetical raped 14 year old but it is still not the fault of her developing child. In my opinion rapists are a problem of our society - I think sex offenders should be 'fixed' so they can't be released from prison at the end of their sentence only to hurt someone else. As for the hypothetical promising employee if she is an adult who has had consentual sex she ran the risk of getting pregnant. Even if she used contraception there is a small chance it could fail = her risk. The consequence of becoming pregnant is having a baby - the idea that it's okay to 'cut it out and carry on' seems selfish to me. If she doesn't want a child the safest course of action would either be to be sterilized or just to abstain from sex altogether. As for moon child's point about the adoption system, from my understanding it's the older children which are difficult to place in a new family. Childless couples would much rather adopt a baby than an older child which has probably been taken into care as a result of abuse or neglect. I agree with yur point made that sex offenders are a major problem in society. Also, to your point about the young business woman. Hypothetically, she is young and successful, and it would be only natural that she would want sex. To abstain from that would be to ignore her needs. I doubt a young woman would want to be sterilised. Women want to have a career and then have a family a lot of the time. I think that the life and happiness of a fullgrown human may be more of a priority than that of a clump of cells. As long as it is done quickly, then I have no problem with it.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:53 am
Badgerkin I am against abortion because I find it hard to justify causing the death of someone who may well be able to feel pain and suffer. The later an abortion is carried out the more unethical I see it as being. I've found that one of the main disagrements between pro-life and pro-choice people is when during a pregnancy a fetus/embrio/baby becomes a 'person'. Is it at the moment of conception, the moment a fetus is 'viable' or at the moment of birth? I believe it is probably somewhere after conception but long before birth... So I'm not in favour of abortion (other than possibly taking the 'morning after pill') I don't see how a woman's right (as she sees it) to end her pregnancy and not to give birth is more important and above the right of an unborn baby (which is innocent of any wrong in his/her conception) to simply live. I am an atheist who does not want to have children by the way... Personally I do not believe that a child is person up until they are born. But that is my view. But that unborn baby as you put it was most likely a mistake. It was not wanted. If the mother did go though with the pregnancy and have it adopted the child will always know it was unwanted and a mistake. How would that make them feel? Also, the mother would have to go though with the pregnancy and birth for nothing. What if they were raped? It would be a constant reminder to them. I'm an atheist too by the way.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:59 am
i am for abortion and assissted suicide!
abortion: because sometimes something bad can be good for the right reasons! for example what if a women was brutally raped and was pregnent....would you want a living memory around you...or what if you were too young?
assissted suicide:
yes...if someone was suffering that badly then i think it would help!
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:00 am
This thread is quite popular! What do people think about IVF and freezing embryos? My aunt had IVF and gave birth about a month ago! Also do you think you should be able to choose whether it is a girl or boy?
I think it is only acceptable to choose to make sure the baby does not inherit a disease. Choosing girls or boys is abusing this. I heard of a family that had 4 boys and now wanted a girl this way. I think that is wrong because it is giving the message that a boy would not be good enough. What about their 4 sons? Are they not good enough because they are boys not girls?
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