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Eternally Gone

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:48 pm


These views are probably going to offend some people. Just remember that we all share the right to free speach. Only a few actually use it. I am one of those people.

Everyone knows about the war in Iraq correct? Well if you don't, let me give you a crash course on what's going on. This is what the government is telling us. Mr. George W. Bush and the US Military is currently fighting Iraq. As usual the US can't stay out of people's business. We are there because we want to make Iraq a civilized country. After we bomb a building in Iraq, we rebuild. That's what the government wants us to think. This is the truth about the matter at hand. We are fighting Iraq for the oil. That's it. That country does not want any help, because they don't want to be like us. So why are we trying to fix a country that doesn't want to be fixed? Oil! This is what we should be doing instead of helping this country. Fix our country first! While President Bush is helping out Iraq and getting richer, we have people living on the streets wondering where they are going to sleep every night. We have people being raped and killed over nothing, people starving for food, having to resort to a garbage can for the essential foods they need to survive. Fix your own country first, then worry about other countries!

The word "free" has a lot of people fooled. Nothing in this world is free, and I mean nothing! Think I'm wrong? Ok. Your life for instance, every breath of air you take; free right? Wrong. Life insurance. Your paying for every breath of air you take. Every step you take, you pay for in the end. Sure, there are exceptions, but very very few.

"Emo" What exactly is Emo? People who wear tight jeans, tight shirts, cut themselves, and put their hair to one side of their head? Stereotype? I was walking around my local Mall, and I saw a crowd of these "emo" kids. They were all talking about how bad their lives suck. So I decided to tell them what was on my mind. Now I'm going to tell all of you. I think the whole "emo" trend is just retarded. You people sit in your rooms at night talking about how bad your life is. Well, your life is not bad. You have a roof over your head, clothes on your back, and food on the table everyday. Don't tell me your life sucks because "nobody likes you." I don't understand. Someone enlighten me about this subject. You go around saying the world hates you, cut yourselves at night, and for what!? One little word of advice for any "Emo" person who reads this article. Grow up!! Maybe people hate you because you act like a b***h. Maybe no girl wants to date an "Emo" guy because they all wear their sister's tight pants. Or maybe its just because you act so retarded, that maybe you should just kill yourselves. All I'm saying is, grow up!

White people trying to act black. "Gangster" Everybody knows at least one of these posers. Do me a favor. Everytime you see one of these posers, punch them in the head and call them an idiot. What is it about your own color that you hate so much? You were born white, so act like it. I'm not saying you can't listen to Rap and R&B or anything, but stop talking like your a gangster and act your color. I have a brother who wants to act black. He actually thinks he is black. I laugh at him everyday. Have you ever seen a black person trying to act white? NO! I dont understand why you people act the way you do. If any black person reads this, don't get the wrong idea, I'm not trying to offend you in any way. I just think it's stupid that white people are acting like you. What is the point?

Parents need to start disciplining their kids. None of this DCYF stuff. Some of these kids today need a good beating from the parents. I see some kids talking to their mom's and dad's like dirt, and I think, if the parents just beat the crap out of the kid one time, maybe the kid wont disrespect them anymore. Some of these parents today just dont know how to raise a kid. Why can't we just convert back to the old ways. If a kid was being ignorant and disrespectful to a parent, that parent has the right to hit the kid. I think the world would be better off if we all went back to the old ways.

Bring back "an eye for an eye." There would be a lot less killing, and violence in the world. Look at it my way. If a man rapes a woman, cut off his manhood. Sure its extreme, but it would teach him to never do it again. Then again, he wouldn't be able to do it. If a man kills another man and or woman, cut off his trigger finger. If he does it again, cut off his hand. I dont care if it is too extreme, it will teach people to stop.

Now that I said what I came to say, I'm open for comments about this article. Whatever is on your mind, just tell me, and I'm sure to answer. I don't care what the comment is about. Just keep in mind that this article was my opinion and if you think I'm right, thank you; if you think I'm wrong, so be it.

Again, I apologize if I offended anyone. Just remember: You have Freedom of Speech for a Reason. Use It.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:05 pm


Again, if I offend anyone, just remember it's freedom of speech. If you don't like it, don't keep reading it. This is the first part of a six part rant.

"You Need To Be Saved."

I respect religions to an extent of any kind as long as it's good for that person, betters their life and the world as long as it does not interfere with another person's life in a very direct or negative way. I suppose that is why I have little respect for Christianity, although I keep to myself mostly, as there is already too much debate about it and war out there. It bores me for the most part to argue with people into this faith heavily as I have done in the past. It seems many I debate with just begin to babble and make no sense. Mostly with the answers ending with "because God said", or because "the bible says it, it is Gods divine plan," without a drop of blunt obvious truth, but only interpretations that can be manifested into a million meanings. You might as well not talk to me if you're that shut out from reality to a point where the babble is making no sense. I have known only a few great people that were heavy into this religion and it never seemed to bring us to much conflict because they respected my beliefs. I also have gone out with men of the Christian religion and again there are no problems as long as they can accept my beliefs. To me some religions are like a drive through service to be forgiven for screw ups just so you could commit them again because you know deep down you can do it all over again and it will be ok because your God or Jesus will forgive you. But that's premeditated right? But that's also a sin and yet still forgivable some say. I like paganism for its dealings with the outdoors or nature. Although I am sure many religions have gone through violent times, nothing compares to the destruction that the Christian religion has caused. To anyone, preferably Christians, that may read this. Do not try to tell me I need to be saved or God loves me, or that I should accept Christ. You will waste your time and only make me see you as a spec of crap infected with the disease of mind control and a lost sense of reality. Yes, your supposed to spread your word so it says, well if you're here reading this, I already know your words and I am not interested in shutting myself off from a universe of grand possibilities. The reason I look down upon Christians when they preach to me is for one, because many know my standing already on religion and they can't accept it sometimes, so they continue to bother me about it. This is disrespectful in the highest degree towards me. I don't go to Christians and ask why "most" of them are so close-minded. The only time something of the sort would come up is if there is some mutual conversation on religion. (Opinion? Maybe, but to me this is what I believe, and seems more realistic. I do not believe anything could be 100 percent factual on this particular subject.) The bible was written by people who twisted Jesus' life into s**t, given he was real in the first place and I lean towards thinking he was. He accepted all religions or peaceful ways and taught people a good way of living and how to treat others well. Buddha was like this and other big name philosophers, or "enlightened" people. They didn't tell people to drop to their knees and bow, they taught a way of life, a way that will make the world last, not to fight over religion. The Middle East has been a s**t hole of religious wars and I am sure if Jesus were alive he would vomit at what he saw. I find that being eclectic is a good way to live, taking parts from different teachings and adding them to your life in a way it suits you to better yourself, the world and perhaps your offspring. Though most of what you see in these books are really common sense and most would be born and grow into this easy knowledge of doing to or for others, what you would like to be done to or for you in a positive way. Could one out of so many of the religions on earth be right? Maybe, I don't like to rule out things. I think almost all things are a possibility. Just like we could be one complex living cell inside the body of something we can't fathom. The things you see in movies seem pretty crazy and far-fetched don't they. Can we guarantee this is false? I would say no and that we could only guess. However, I do believe how I feel makes quite a bit of sense. While we have these people debating, warring and praying over these religions and religious figures we cannot see, the earth slowly dies. People who think it's their divine nature to have 50 children in their family, yet they cannot supply them with food and then poverty sets in and relief efforts. I am not talking even about the common "accidents" of getting someone pregnant, but these people that continue to pump out kids in other countries. How many accidents can one person have? It is hard for me to feel bad for starving people in any country when this stupidity is the case. This is a problem. While others get into their religions and war, I will choose to focus on what I see every single day.

Eternally Gone

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Eternally Gone

Devoted Loiterer

PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:08 pm


Part 2

"Blind faith, in one possible entity, is a closed mind."

I was asked a question by someone that believed in the Christian based, God. "Well, Sam, you think others are close minded. Doesn't that make you close minded to not believe in something in which you cannot see?" Faith is it? No, I am not close-minded because I do not believe in your God in which I cannot see. Isn't it more close-minded to believe in one entity that you can't see, and call it the only answer? I believe there are things I can't see in which can't even be fathomed or dreamt about by the human mind. I believe there are many things out there. However, I do not presume to logically know what that is. I can't see it, so sorry if I can't explain it. I do not need to cling or believe in something grand and invisible, so I can feel better about living and dying. Especially if that something is unseen and rules out all possibilities of anything else, strips away the rights of human nature, and calls it a sin. I am very open-minded, with the belief of endless possibilities. Some people speak of how the power of the Christian god struck them in the shower, or how they feel it in a large church with hundreds of people. I believe the human mind has the ability to manifest many feelings. If you think hard enough about something, there are feelings that can be conjured I believe by chemical reactions of the mind. Whether it's by praying, or a deep meditation that can bring on the minor feelings in the stomach, a roller coaster ride at a theme park could provide. Or perhaps it's the chills up your spine, stemming from such an intense focus on a particular belief or action. Some people feel peaceful in a church, and it can be relaxing to be in such a quiet place, because of what it is supposed to represent. Even now walking into a church can bring a form of relaxation, but not because of some Christian enlightenment. I could gather the same feelings from other places that encompass other followings or religions in which their places of worship would be more into the nonviolent and peaceful side of things. It is too bad that some forms of peace are not utilized more outside of these places of worship. It seems that people kill in the name of god in order to justify murder. In effect, destroying the happiness their religion is supposed to bestow upon a person. Feelings of euphoria could very well be spiritual in a sense, as I have felt things come on to me in which made me feel a greater connection to the earth, but I also was not sitting and making attempts to have these feelings, they came upon more naturally, and unexpectedly. Even so, "non-self induced" religious feelings that many people have, I believe are read wrong in many ways. The reason I say this, is because many of the feelings people have, draw them to grasp onto a belief system or religion that is so destructive. It seems logical to me that a belief system should not focus on something we can't see, but more so on what we can. In taking care of what we walk on, in a sense is to help maintain what the creator has created. That in itself will surely please whatever is out there, that we can't see, as opposed to pleasing an invisible entity by not having premarital sex. It was like my mind expanded on it's own, without even trying to change my beliefs at all. It just happened. I don't claim to have the answers to everything that is right or wrong by any means. I simply attempt to put into these writings what I find to be more realistic. I feel my beliefs are more logical than 800-year-old men, talking bushes, giants that get their a** kicked with a modified slingshot, and a wizard that can part water. But, what if it was all true? Well, sorry folks, I need a little more than a 2000-year-old book to prove this. A book filled with everything natural seeming to be a sin, and with stories better than Dr Seuss's animated creations. Until all this happens, my beliefs will stay as they are now, until the evidence presents itself in an obvious fashion. Blind faith, in one possible entity, is a closed mind.
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:15 pm


I'm going to answer your articles and sorry if I offend anyone. You are entitled to your opinions, I just like to discuss things with people.

First of all, thank you for pointing out that the war in Iraq is over oil and nothing else. I don't know why people can't accept that.

I also want to point out that you are using your FREEDOM of speech like you stated at the end. If I am not mistaken, we have that freedom, freedom of the press and the unalienable rights.

What I want to know is what happened to Goth. Emo pops up out of nowhere and Goth just vanishes. Like all social lables, 'Emo' is just another way for insecure people to feel secure. How I'm not sure, but it does to them.

White's who act black also annoy me. Again it's just insecure people trying to fit in. But the reason you don't see many blacks trying to act white is because they get made fun of if they do.

I do not agree that parents should hit or harm thier children. There are easier ways of getting kids to respect you. If you are a good parent it shouldn't be a problem, but if you arn't then you do crap like that. My parents never even threatened to hit me and I turned out better then fine. (You'll just have to take my word on that.)

In fact in the way the ancient world was run, 'an eye for an eye' was the law. If you killed someone, you were killed. If you stole, your hand was cut off. I have no problem with this.

On the matter of religion, you might be interested to read the religion debate thread on this forum. It's under the heading 100%.

I'm going to make an assumption here and say that the christians you've met are of the 'fanatic end of the world salvation' type. Don't listen to the fanatics. They arn't real christians.

You believe in air, right? You can't see air. Gravity? Can't see that either.

Anyway, I am a christian (not the fanatic type). I have plenty of freedom to what I want. In an extreme example, the first thing God told Adam and Eve was to have sex and kids. (not in that context, but close to it) Sins are just things you shouldn't do anyway: lie, cheat, steal, kill, be a butt to your parents, cuss, and anything else against your countries laws.

If you ask me anything about christianity, I'm not going to give you a 'because God says so' answer. Just try me.

Arlan17
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:32 pm


i understand what you mean about an eye for an eye but even your version is a bit too strict in my oppinion. everyone makes mystakes. but maybe just breaking the article in question because after they have thought about it then since they know the punishment for a second time they probably wont do it.

i agree kind of with the discipline. way too many kids these days dont respect anyone or are spoiled brats. some of them need to be physically punished. but i dont think it should be the law of the land from the beginning. i dont think the parents should be able to starve their children or punnish them soo hard that they are scarred. unfortunately it would be almost impossible to regulate. if the children are being punished that hard their parents would have warned them not to tell anyone and they would be too afraid to tell anyone.

yea i have more if i ever remember to write it.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:28 pm


If a child doesn't respect their parents, it's probably the parent's fault.

Arlan17
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Eternally Gone

Devoted Loiterer

PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:21 pm


Alrighty! Let's get this all cleared up. Where oh where to begin!

First off, I just want it to be known, I am not a heinous person, much less a violent one. I apologize if my first post seemed like it. My first post was a rant, because I was so tired of why people act the way they do, or why parents let their kids get away with being disrespectful. I am not saying that parents should, literally, beat their kids. I am all for parents disciplining their kids in more productive ways, such as "grounding" or taking something like video games, away. I am actually against any type of child disciplining like spanking. It doesn't teach the child anythign except violence towards their own children in the future.

Arlan-chan, in response to what happened to Goth. Goth, just like emo, was taken too far in the 90's and now is just as much a fashion statement as any other trend. Goth, like Punk, is a state of mind, not a fashion statement, or a satanic cult. Like you said, it's all about their insecurities. If people learned that they are unique the way they are, then I doubt that these "trend whores" would be around in such multitudes that they are. The Christians that I have met, yes, some of them are fanatics and do not listen to anything I have to say. But I cannot do anything about that. It is not my fault they are blind to openness. I have had the fortune of having a quite intelligent conversation with a few Reverends who listen to what I have to say. As far as believing in air and Gravity, those have been proven to exist. Over the years, since I was about 6 or 7 I have been to many different types of churches. I respect the people who attend them, and I respect their beliefs. It is too bad that they cannot have the decency to respect mine. And so I go on with my life, ignoring those who are ignorant.

Moriko-chan this is in response to you. True my idea of an "Eye for and Eye" might seem a little strict, but think about it: crime rates would be lower. Perhaps these people should know the Law before breaking it. These days, Parents are becoming more lax, and in turn, children are walking all over them. Like I said with Arlan, if parents took away certain privelages, or certain freedoms, then perhaps children wouldn't be as inclined to smart off.

I hope that has cleared up any type of violent, Christian-hating image I might have created for myself. I am not like that, but I do like to have an intelligent conversation. 3nodding rofl
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:21 am


Okay, I'll give my take on the subjects in the rant, and you can feel free to criticize me for my flaws all you like.

The war in Iraq:
It's as much about oil as anything else, I'm not going to argue that point. I also think that the government likes to belive that they're helping them, and setting the rest of the middle-eastern region to be 'democracy-ized.' American imperialism? Maybe. In all honesty, I don't think we should be there, or at least not the military. Their job was done the moment the main fighting stopped. You want something blow to little bits, suitable for dipping? Call the army. You want people to rebuild and help people? Send in the Red Cross and other organizations.
...In all honesty, I don't really care about people's stances on the war, and I don't care if they care about mine. All I ask is that, even if you don't support the war, support the troops. They're just people doing a job like you or me...granted, one that involves more destruction than most, but a job nonetheless...

Freedom:
You're right. Nothing in this world is free. The freedoms in the bill of rights (referenced by Arlan 17) was paid for by the blood, sweat, tears, and ives of people who came before us who were willing to die for their beliefs.)

Emo:
As a general rule, I think just about everyone has had at least one period in their life where they were 'emo,' even if it was just for a few minutes. I was more or less unpopular thoughout high school (A set-up for the 'everyone hates me crap'), but I never really cared enough to get down in the dumps about it, I guess.

White people trying to act black and vice-versa:
I agree with what was said above about it being a bunch of insecure people trying to fit in. I really don't have anything else to say on that subject. (What a waste of time to type that, huh?)

Disciple:
My parents raised me in what you'd call the 'old school' manner...I screw up once (Disrespect them, etc.) I got a warning, as they assumed I didn't know better. I do it again, I got a thump on the head. I kept doing that, my a** was grass and they were a lawnmower. I like to think I'm fairly well-adjusted, if a little annoying at times. Speaking from personal experience, using corporal punishment on a kid doesn't make them the ill-adjusted monsters the politcially correct people would have you belive. It's the exact opposite, in fact.

"Eye for an eye:"
Again, no arguement here. Or, barring that, actually use the penalties we have. The state gives a person the death penalty, he ought die within the week, not of old age 30 years later, while his ump-teenth appeal is still tied up in the courts.

Religion:
I don't mind religious people myself. I feel everyone needs to belive in something, and they can choose whatever. As for violence commited in the name of christianity, it's not just that religion. More wars have been fought in the name of religion than of most any other cause known to man. Frankly, I don't trust Christian dogma, since they've edited the bible so many times you don't even know what you're reading anymore...Of course, I think it's funny that one of the commandments is "don't worship idols." What do the heads of these religions think the Cross is? ...Of course, then again, I think religion is a laugh riot...
And for the record? God never said don't have sex, premarital, or marital. Read Song of Songs sometime if you don't belive me.

Okay, I'm done. Feel free to call me an idiot on any of these points, or correct my more unstable(?) views.

Cyanox


Arlan17
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:03 pm


Aurelia Cane
Alrighty! Let's get this all cleared up. Where oh where to begin!

First off, I just want it to be known, I am not a heinous person, much less a violent one. I apologize if my first post seemed like it. My first post was a rant, because I was so tired of why people act the way they do, or why parents let their kids get away with being disrespectful. I am not saying that parents should, literally, beat their kids. I am all for parents disciplining their kids in more productive ways, such as "grounding" or taking something like video games, away. I am actually against any type of child disciplining like spanking. It doesn't teach the child anythign except violence towards their own children in the future.

Arlan-chan, in response to what happened to Goth. Goth, just like emo, was taken too far in the 90's and now is just as much a fashion statement as any other trend. Goth, like Punk, is a state of mind, not a fashion statement, or a satanic cult. Like you said, it's all about their insecurities. If people learned that they are unique the way they are, then I doubt that these "trend whores" would be around in such multitudes that they are. The Christians that I have met, yes, some of them are fanatics and do not listen to anything I have to say. But I cannot do anything about that. It is not my fault they are blind to openness. I have had the fortune of having a quite intelligent conversation with a few Reverends who listen to what I have to say. As far as believing in air and Gravity, those have been proven to exist. Over the years, since I was about 6 or 7 I have been to many different types of churches. I respect the people who attend them, and I respect their beliefs. It is too bad that they cannot have the decency to respect mine. And so I go on with my life, ignoring those who are ignorant.

Moriko-chan this is in response to you. True my idea of an "Eye for and Eye" might seem a little strict, but think about it: crime rates would be lower. Perhaps these people should know the Law before breaking it. These days, Parents are becoming more lax, and in turn, children are walking all over them. Like I said with Arlan, if parents took away certain privelages, or certain freedoms, then perhaps children wouldn't be as inclined to smart off.

I hope that has cleared up any type of violent, Christian-hating image I might have created for myself. I am not like that, but I do like to have an intelligent conversation. 3nodding rofl


I was honestly thinking that you ment perverbial 'beating up', but I just wasn't sure.

A sad truth out there is that lots of 'christian' chuches out there these days arn't really christian. They get too caught up on the 'do good' stuff, on the different sects and whatever else they can thing of the make themselves feel superior.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:20 pm


J.E.T2
Okay, I'll give my take on the subjects in the rant, and you can feel free to criticize me for my flaws all you like.

Freedom:
You're right. Nothing in this world is free. The freedoms in the bill of rights (referenced by Arlan 17) was paid for by the blood, sweat, tears, and ives of people who came before us who were willing to die for their beliefs.)

Disciple:
My parents raised me in what you'd call the 'old school' manner...I screw up once (Disrespect them, etc.) I got a warning, as they assumed I didn't know better. I do it again, I got a thump on the head. I kept doing that, my a** was grass and they were a lawnmower. I like to think I'm fairly well-adjusted, if a little annoying at times. Speaking from personal experience, using corporal punishment on a kid doesn't make them the ill-adjusted monsters the politcially correct people would have you belive. It's the exact opposite, in fact.

Religion:
I don't mind religious people myself. I feel everyone needs to belive in something, and they can choose whatever. As for violence commited in the name of christianity, it's not just that religion. More wars have been fought in the name of religion than of most any other cause known to man. Frankly, I don't trust Christian dogma, since they've edited the bible so many times you don't even know what you're reading anymore...Of course, I think it's funny that one of the commandments is "don't worship idols." What do the heads of these religions think the Cross is? ...Of course, then again, I think religion is a laugh riot...
And for the record? God never said don't have sex, premarital, or marital. Read Song of Songs sometime if you don't belive me.

Okay, I'm done. Feel free to call me an idiot on any of these points, or correct my more unstable(?) views.


You have a point there on the freedoms, but I still think the unalienable rights are free.

I don't agree with spanking kids, but I never said it couldn't work. If done correctly (ei. not at everly little thing) it is a fairly effective method. Personally the treat of dissappointing my parents in enough for me.

I'd like to correct you on two things in the religion part though.

First, the Bible that Protastant churches (ei. not Catholic or Mormon type) was set shortly after Jesus died (he did live back then, whether you believe he was the Son of God or not is irrelevent). All that the Bible was edited, was to take out some books that were not inspired by God in the first place.

God said it was alright to have Marital sex, go read Romans.

Arlan17
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Eternally Gone

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:01 am


Forgive me for being a little ignorant on this, but if God had said don't have Marital sex, wouldn't that mean he didn't want more people to populate the earth? That seems a little ridiculous. As humans, it is in our DNA to breed.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:34 pm


Aurelia Cane
Forgive me for being a little ignorant on this, but if God had said don't have Marital sex, wouldn't that mean he didn't want more people to populate the earth? That seems a little ridiculous. As humans, it is in our DNA to breed.

I am inclined to agree with this, but anyone who's read the tread knows my take on this already.

Arlan17
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Cyanox

PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:58 pm


You know, you should really read what a person wrote carefully before correcting him.

J.E.T2
And for the record? God never said don't have sex, premarital, or marital. Read Song of Songs sometime if you don't belive me.


"Never said don't" is a double negative. While grammatically incorrect, the negatives cancel each other out.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:35 pm


J.E.T2
You know, you should really read what a person wrote carefully before correcting him.

J.E.T2
And for the record? God never said don't have sex, premarital, or marital. Read Song of Songs sometime if you don't belive me.


"Never said don't" is a double negative. While grammatically incorrect, the negatives cancel each other out.


Most human minds usually automatically omit the double negative and just make it a negative, but that's irrelavent.

Arlan17
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Eternally Gone

Devoted Loiterer

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:48 am


Just a thought, but if there had been quotations around the part "Don't Have Sex," it wouldn't be a double negative. Or at least it wouldn't be read that way...anyway, just a thought.
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