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Rei ojou-sama

PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:56 pm


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:58 pm


Ok I hope you got the warning... stare

This is some info about Shogi metaphors in the past few chapters.

Read and comment. whee


In Chapter 332 we have an interesting scene.
We have Kei facing Kaku and Hi on a Shogi board.

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Kei: (Knight, keima, laureled horse, kei) Kei is the equivalent to the Knight in chess. It jumps one square forward plus one square diagonally forward, in a single motion. So it has a choice of two forward destinations. It cannot move to the sides or backwards.

Kaku: (Bishop, kakugyō, angle mover, kaku) Kaku is the equivalent to the Bishop in chess. It can move any number of free squares along any one of the four diagonal directions.

Hi: (Rook, hisha, flying chariot, hi) Hi is the equivalent of the Rook in chess. It can move any number of free squares forward, backward, and side to side.


Then in the next panel we have Shikamaru facing Kakuzu and Hidan in the same alignment as in the Shogi board. This is an obvious reference. Kakuzu as Kaku, Hidan as Hi and Shikamaru as Kei (as in chapter 316 where Asuma compares Shikamaru to Kei).

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In chapter 316 Asuma and Shikamaru are playing a Shogi game.

Asuma makes an aggressive move with Gin*.

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This shocks Shikamaru because we assume that this style is unlike Asuma.
Shikamaru asks him about it and Asuma says that some times one has to make sacrifices.
Shikamaru is concerned and asks him if something has happened.
He says that he has just realized how important the Gyoku (King) is.
Shikamaru makes a “no duh” kind of retort.
Then Asuma says that if he were comparing konoha shinobi to Shogi pieces Shikamaru would be Kei.
Shikamaru is not pleased by this comparison and asks Asuma what he would say he is.
Asuma then places a Gin* variant facing Shikamaru’s Kaku and sort of mumbles “nothing just a…”

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Shikamaru jumps in and says “A sacrificial piece?”

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Asuma acknowledges with a look and asks Shikamaru if he knows who Gyoku would be.
Shikamaru seems confused and says “The Hokage”
Asuma says that that is what he used to think to but he was wrong.
Shikamaru asks Asuma “Then who is it?”
Asuma places Ryū** in the exact same place as the Gin variant was facing Shikamaru’s Kaku and says “You’ll know when the time comes.”

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*Silver General, ginshō, gin

Gin: Gin can move one square diagonally or one square directly forward, giving it five possibilities. Because an unpromoted silver can retreat more easily than a promoted one it is very common to leave a silver unpromoted at the far side of the board.

“I found the silver general to be the most frustrating piece to learn. I kept forgetting that if I moved it straight forward, I could not retreat it straight backwards again. It would require a minimum of three moves to get back to the square from whence it came. (Work this out). Many a time I wanted to smash the board on my opponent's head when to realized this, but eventually I got used to the way the silver general moves.” (Sam Sloan)
“[In] climbing silver attack… the left side silver general simply runs up by itself and attacks, supported only by a pawn. The silver general tries to sacrifice itself in such a way that pawn promotes, with devastating effect.” (Sam Sloan)

**Dragon King, Ryū, (Promoted Rook)

Ryū: Ryū may move as a rook or as a king, but not as both on the same turn.

Rei ojou-sama


deth-kun2
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:23 am


First off, thank you for the more then generous spoiler warning, nobody else seems to get what I've been saying and it's a pleasant surprise. Second, THANK YOU, I never get any of the Shogi references because I don't know how to play, nor can I read Japanese characters yet (I try but alas...) and even though I can't understand the references they keep making them with Shikamaru and Asuma! I finally get it...kinda.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:19 pm


I played shogi once. 3nodding Or at least, I think it was shogi... neutral Well, I played it on the GBA (Gameboy advance) and I really had no clue what moved where. Whatever it was, I thought that game was cool. xd Even thought the cpu was beating me... sweatdrop

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Rei ojou-sama

PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:50 pm


FireonIce
First off, thank you for the more then generous spoiler warning, nobody else seems to get what I've been saying and it's a pleasant surprise. Second, THANK YOU, I never get any of the Shogi references because I don't know how to play, nor can I read Japanese characters yet (I try but alas...) and even though I can't understand the references they keep making them with Shikamaru and Asuma! I finally get it...kinda.


No prob. I don't get sick pleasure from spoilling anime/manga for people.

About Shogi, I'm a math, strategical concepts, and algorithm lover. I like Shogi a lot. I like to play it and analyze its game play. That being said I know more about Go and its variations than Shogi because I favor that game.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:42 pm


well if you have a basic outline of how to play, I'd love to see it. I wish I understood it better sweatdrop

deth-kun2
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:30 pm


That's really interesting. I might have to learn how to play shougi someday....
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:21 pm


FireonIce
well if you have a basic outline of how to play, I'd love to see it. I wish I understood it better sweatdrop


Yeah I'll see what I can do but I get really mathmatical some times... stare

I'm a perfectionist so I can give you a good website to look at in the meen time if you want.

Shogi website

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Rei ojou-sama

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:13 pm


Note: be ware I am a schizophrenic game theory addict... stare
PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:48 pm


no worries, anything you can supply is helpful 3nodding I really appreciate it!

deth-kun2
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Rei ojou-sama

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:46 pm


FireonIce
no worries, anything you can supply is helpful 3nodding I really appreciate it!


I'm working on something right now so it might take a while. You should check out that website.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:05 pm


I did. It's really long so I'll definately give it a read when my exams are done sweatdrop From the quick glace I took at it it's super informative and pretty easy to follow. I really appreciate it heart

deth-kun2
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Rei ojou-sama

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:30 am


FireonIce
I did. It's really long so I'll definately give it a read when my exams are done sweatdrop From the quick glace I took at it it's super informative and pretty easy to follow. I really appreciate it heart


It’s probably much easier to understand than anything I could write. Unless your like me and understand mathematical equations better than written word.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:40 pm


no, that's ok, it's seems very imformative - math aside. Math was never my strong suit. Thanks for the link 3nodding

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KatsuManga

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:45 pm


Shikamaru is awesome! =]
I never played shogi before. I hope I get the chance to though........
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