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 Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:21 pm
Tips? Tricks? Suggestions?
What makes an ED-er good? Intelligence is important, of course, and so is logic. Have a bit of wisdom you want to add to help others become better? It's a marketplace of brilliance.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:37 pm
I never hurts to have a little fun now and then and crack a joke or two no matter which side of the debate that being joked upon.
The humor will save you sanity points which are good when the ignorant roll a 2d6 and end up with 10+. Those roles always hurt so much...
Don't forget either, sanity points can be converted to attribute points to spend on other fabulous things such as wit, willpower, and fairy magic. biggrin
(You all wanna ban me from the guild now, don't ya? razz )
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:04 am
Resources. The willingness to research your entire post before even clicking the "Submit Reply" button. Never letting your guard down - start debating on the level of the CB and you'll stay there.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:41 am
Garek Maxwell I never hurts to have a little fun now and then and crack a joke or two no matter which side of the debate that being joked upon. The humor will save you sanity points which are good when the ignorant roll a 2d6 and end up with 10+. Those roles always hurt so much... Don't forget either, sanity points can be converted to attribute points to spend on other fabulous things such as wit, willpower, and fairy magic. biggrin (You all wanna ban me from the guild now, don't ya? razz ) No, you're still loved! Perhaps more so by some people for that post! I agree, humor is important in an EDer. We don't want every person in the ED falling into the 666.5 rule! Henry Dorsett Case Resources. The willingness to research your entire post before even clicking the "Submit Reply" button. Never letting your guard down - start debating on the level of the CB and you'll stay there. Very very good point.
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The ED Coalition Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:33 am
I don't suppose anyone took Logic in University or College, did they? I did not, so I don't really have the resources to help out here, but perhaps someone who has could flip through their books to find a more lengthy exercise (if one exists in such a course), and craft it toward something E.D., and relevant to current events (perhaps).
One of the questions that follows the problem could specifically ask that people try to solve the problem using logic, along with perhaps opinions or whatever else people like to throw at each other these days (cats, appliances, flammable materials, et cetera).
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:03 am
Use facts and sources. Have the ability to recognise when your opponent is using fallacies, and avoid making them yourself. Correct spellings and grammar make your argument look more creditable. I don't know how much people will agree with me on this, but knowing when to back down is important. Arguing when you've already lost would make you look extremely silly.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:48 am
It helps not to be pretentious. Pretention wards people off and undermines any good argument.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:46 pm
I believe it constitutes a synthesis between sensibility, modesty, honesty, proof, and a standard of care toward people. Not everyone acts intelligently; you don't really need to 'be smart' to post there. A person who is certain of their cause, and will argue sensibly and honestly does not need to be 'intelligent', that being a charged term anyway.
Fairness and considerate behaviour should be the hallmarks all across Gaia, if not just ED.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:17 pm
First, look for an ED rehab clinic. Just in case. xd
Try to learn the difference between a post-and-runner and poster who'll stick around for longer than 3 posts. Usually the PAR makes one-liners of posts with little more than appeal to emoption fallacies and unbacked opinons. Trollish comments are a dead giveaway, as are "pm me" comments. If you're bored and it's a slow moment this probably won't matter to you, but it may help when you don't want to raise your BP.
Cutting quotes can be a b***h sometimes, so if you want to make sure not to miss a point in the opposition's post use footnotes. Quote the post and next to each point in that post edit a number into that quote. Then outside the quote place the numbers and your responses. Lord Setar's good at this one.
Oh yeah, keep web sources in a favorites folder and CP responses, excerpts from print sources, and other typed-up things in a folder on your desktop. Saves the trouble of typing the same thing twice and digging through Google for that awesome source you had.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:51 pm
Toga! Toga! Oh yeah, keep web sources in a favorites folder and CP responses, excerpts from print sources, and other typed-up things in a folder on your desktop. Saves the trouble of typing the same thing twice and digging through Google for that awesome source you had. one of those favorites should always be a fallacy list.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:04 pm
Garek Maxwell I never hurts to have a little fun now and then and crack a joke or two no matter which side of the debate that being joked upon. The humor will save you sanity points which are good when the ignorant roll a 2d6 and end up with 10+. Those roles always hurt so much... Don't forget either, sanity points can be converted to attribute points to spend on other fabulous things such as wit, willpower, and fairy magic. biggrin (You all wanna ban me from the guild now, don't ya? razz )
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:20 pm
I think that major quality that contributes to the brilliance of an EDer is the ability to debate, and correctly. Also, knowledge of the thing one is debating about certainly adds to the discussion. sweatdrop
Truth be told, I prefer logical arguments to debates, because they don't rely so heavily on persuading the reader based on emotions. "Debates," according to Wikipedia, use both facts and appeals to (at?) the emotions of others to persuade. It sounds all well and good, but many of the "debating" posts I've seen have just been opinions. Logical arguments present facts and link them together, so there's no denying the truth in them.
However, I think that the most important quality an EDer can have is the ability to consider what the opposition has to say instead of write it off as crap automatically. Having an open mind generally means not denying the facts, and if one listens to the facts and connects them one can learn the truth about any situation. (I think. )
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:57 pm
I really think that what makes a good EDer is the ability to share ideas and accept other people's ideas. Having an open mind is a very important thing. There's no point in debating with someone whose mind is already made up. There is no debate, for they are being irrational.
That's one of the biggest problems right now, also. We have ignorant, irrational people coming into the ED. Even if they're not spamming, they're lowering the level of creativity and intelligence that exists. The stupidity increases every minute. If only we could get people to learn and not be ignoramus.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:06 pm
Knowing when you know nothing of a topic and keeping your mouth shut.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:27 pm
Often, appeals to humanity, LOGICAL appeals to humanity, are often successful. Take my first thread, for instance. No sources, no nothing. In fact, most of my original threads were common sense appeal to humanity slap rants. And they were successful.
Of course, knowing what bad logic, or logical fallacies, are is a good thing.
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