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Laprasite

PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:46 pm


You might be wondering why God is in the same sentence as Alucard. Well, the simple answer is that I recently asked a question in the "Rent-a-card" thread, without realizing just how off topic it was. sweatdrop

So, here's part of the discussion that went on:


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All those wars he's lived through. Geez. gonk

But the question that's been bugging me a lot...After over 500 years, do you think Alucard believes in God? He mentions hell a lot, I believe. Most people would assume that God, Heaven, and Hell all go hand in hand. So maybe he does, but he just knows he's destined to end up in hell anyways? Or maybe he just means the metaphorical hell? o.o

Sorry, I tend to think too much about these things. sweatdrop

Indeed.

Let me get back to you on that. There's something in the manga (which I don't have with me at the moment) that I want to look for in regards to that. But I will say that he probably does. Just from what he says a lot of the time you get that feeling. Plus, while he'll happily lambast Catholics, he doesn't diss God (or Protestants) that I can remember anyway. Like I said, let me get back to you.


I think he believes in God. I think he just rejected him. In order to stay alive, or because he's bitter from going through so much crap (and God didn't help him).


I would certainly understand that.

I think his thing against Catholics comes from a certain incident that wasn't revealed (to my knowledge at least) until the flashback in chapter 77, I believe. I'm not sure on that. But it's somewhere in the late 70's I think. At first I didn't realize what I had just seen, and then when I thought about it, I really almost wished I hadn't figured it out.
I was like, " gonk Well, that could explain A LOT."

EDIT: Annnnnd, once again, I've gone off topic. I should probably make a new topic. Would that be okay? And can I include these posts in the first post?


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Right. From what I've read, I think his opinion is that God exists, but He isn't concerned about mortals and their exploits.

Besides that...part, Dracula had a long history of conflict with the Vatican. He did not appreciate their attempts to rule countries through the Church, and they did not like his means of fighting the Muslims. But they allowed him free rein, because he sort of blocked the Muslims' way to Europe.


So, what do you think the religious views of the cast of Hellsing are? Do you think Alucard believes in God? Is Sir Integra truly a religious woman, or is she just doing her job? What about Walter, Pip, and Seras? What about everyone else?


Note: Please don't quote the first post. It'll be huge.
Oh, and if you don't want me to quote you, I'll take it down.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:36 pm


Warning! Major Spoilers!

Alucard used to be very religious. It's even shown so in the manga in one of the early chapters of volume 9. He had a cross he wore at all times through his entire human life. And it was still there as he crossed over from man to monster. At his execution, he licked the blood of his people from the ground just as the ax came down and chopped off his head, also chopping the cross in half. The breaking of his cross, in my opinion, symbolizes that he renounced God to become a monster so he could continue to live and carry out his dream.

Here are the pics I'm talking about:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/Lyra66/HELL002.jpg?t=1165804520
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m138/Lyra66/HELL015.jpg?t=1165804559

He most likely still believes in God, but he is a monster now, so just because he believes, doesn't necessarily mean he'd show it. In his eyes, God does not care about monsters, so he believes he is ultimately doomed to go to Hell when he finally dies.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:49 pm


Cracks knuckles. Glad to see things are off to a good start. Let's try to push this thing a little further keeping in mind reverence is to be taken with respect. So this anim has a hero who was once very religious. Do you think that he still is?

Could it possibly be that he found a new way to serve the lord?

Perhaps the way of the warrior?

Could Alucard be forgiven when everything is said and done?

Or would he choose to be punished for his sins?

Can we compare Alucard to priest Sanzo from Saiyuki?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:13 pm


I think he serves Hellsing as a way to redemption. In that respect, he may end up being forgiven in the end. His work for Hellsing may be enough to wash away most of his sins. However, whether he'd choose to accept that forgiveness is another matter, one that I'm not totally sure about.

As for comparing him to Sanzo...There's actually a bit of similarity there, but I've only seen a little more than halfway through the first anime season of Saiyuki and read the first Manga, so I'm not one to talk about the similarities between Sanzo and Alucard. I don't know enough about Sanzo.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:32 am


LittleDemonMegami
I think he serves Hellsing as a way to redemption. In that respect, he may end up being forgiven in the end. His work for Hellsing may be enough to wash away most of his sins. However, whether he'd choose to accept that forgiveness is another matter, one that I'm not totally sure about.

As for comparing him to Sanzo...There's actually a bit of similarity there, but I've only seen a little more than halfway through the first anime season of Saiyuki and read the first Manga, so I'm not one to talk about the similarities between Sanzo and Alucard. I don't know enough about Sanzo.

Agreed. He tries to make it all seem like he just enjoys the battle. But I think there's enough evidence that he has higher reasons, like ridding the earth of what he considers filth. It could, like you say, also be a way of paying for what he's done.

He does seem a little saddened by the carnage he's wrought. Remember that one scene where he's almost comparing himself with the Major? It went something like, "...Killing the ones you were supposed to protect," etc. I really should find that page. So yes, servitude, which he so distained, could be a form of penance.

If we're going with the idea of having to earn forgiveness (at least in Alucard's own eyes), then I think that at the end of the manga, he'll be at a point where he might consider himself at least somewhat redeemed. He will have fought the evil, served his master, and saved the world (I think we can assume Hellsing defeats Millennium?).

Haven't seen/read Saiyuki, so...
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:49 am


I think Alucard may enjoy killing, but at the same time I think part of it is maybe waiting for someone strong enough to come along and kill him finally. He's lived a long, tired life. Everyone needs to die sometime.

Maybe God will forgive him, but as stated before, it's up to Alucard on whether or not he'll accept the forgiveness. I don't really think he has his mind set on Heaven. If he knows he's going to Hell, he might as well do it thoroughly and have fun. =D

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:58 am


I think in the end it's going to be Integra who kills him since she's the only human left and as Alucard always says, only a human can kill a monster. Which brings up another interesting concept. Is Integra heading down the path to becoming a monster? It is, after all, her order that kills. Alucard says so. He kills without regret but it is Integra's order that that makes him kill. She is becoming a lot like Alucard in some ways.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:01 pm


You know if hell is his course then I am sure his buddy Incognito will be waiting with open arms.

Do you truly think the anime will end like that or will there be a cheesy "oh no we forgot about one scientist kind of ending" in which we will always need Alucard kind of ending?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:05 pm


Incognito? Damn, I don't even consider the original Anime at all. It sucked compared to the manga. All I've been talking about is the manga. The OVA will end exactly like the manga. And as for the ending, there will be no "oh no we forgot one scientist." Hirano said Hellsing would only last 10 volumes and never be continued.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:10 pm


So the writer is most likely going to give a Berserk kind of ending. So many possibility's but not motivation to continue. Anyway back to more moral dealemas with in the religious based anime.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:52 pm


LittleDemonMegami
I think in the end it's going to be Integra who kills him since she's the only human left and as Alucard always says, only a human can kill a monster. Which brings up another interesting concept. Is Integra heading down the path to becoming a monster? It is, after all, her order that kills. Alucard says so. He kills without regret but it is Integra's order that that makes him kill. She is becoming a lot like Alucard in some ways.

Like LittleDemonMegami, it seems Alucard would be pretty happy with dying at the moment. I've always felt that Integra is the only person who is his equal. Remember how Major put more emphasis on Integra and Seras than on Alucard? If Alucard does "die," the only acceptable person to send him off would be his master, the descendant of Van Helsing, his conqueror.


Yes, I believe Hirano's trying to subtly show us how Integra is becoming like Alucard. Heck, she's even starting to look like him.


*looks at the other topics on the first post* So, what do you think of Integra's religious stance?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:08 pm


Through the series Integra has been a devout Protistant as far as I saw. Now? I'm not so sure. She could be going the way of Alucard. All this death and devistation around her may make her not believe in God as much. She may turn her back on God for she feels He turned His back on her.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:20 pm


LittleDemonMegami
Through the series Integra has been a devout Protistant as far as I saw. Now? I'm not so sure. She could be going the way of Alucard. All this death and devistation around her may make her not believe in God as much. She may turn her back on God for she feels He turned His back on her.
Perhaps. But it seems to me that her attitude is becoming a combination of Anderson's and Alucard's. For instance, she's always had that, "Destroy all antichrist freaks" motto, but now she has so much more opportunity and justification for this. But then, she hasn't said much lately on the topic. It's like she is, like Alucard, now operating on her own power and authority instead of God's.

I find it hard to picture her ever rejecting God. Her beliefs and loyalties are practically hardwired in her. She's the type that would rather be a martyr than betray her core beliefs and morals.

I might be wrong, though. Need to re-read the latest volumes...
PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:20 pm


So do you think the writer is using her actions to make some kind of religious statement? Do you think we are going to see Interga snap and spout off an new way of seening the world and the workings of god?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:35 pm


I'm a very "happy ending" kind of person, but from the beginning I knew that Hellsing would not have one. There's just no conceivable way that the series can end with Alucard still alive. Unless he was somehow stripped of his powers instead. But then he'd be human, and I know most Hellsing fans would rather see Alucard dead in the end then see him as "normal."

The only real way I can see the series ending is with Integra killing him (which in my opinion is what he's been waiting for, for a very LONG time.)
But, if he dies, what happens to Seras? Does she go back to being a normal human? Will she die with her Master, or will she just remain as she is now?

I do see Integra as a sort of religious symbol. She's strong-willed, but not really for herself. She's strong so that she can serve her God, and her country. She's making a huge self-sacrifice, because she lives for other people.
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