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Septomor

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:14 pm


So I was wondering that becuase a human's natural instinc is to kill (so I've heard) what would we do if we found other life today? I mean, let's take The Great Migration for ex. Many people came from Europe and eventually killed the natives. So now and days would we do the same becuase I know many people who wouldn't.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:01 pm


The human nature is not to kill. The "Western" Human nature is to possess. Hence the destruction and war. We want value and possession of value.

I would like to think that we wouldn't exterminate another civilisation now, but the people who are in power are the ones most corrupted by this instinct.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:28 pm


donnythephoenix
The human nature is not to kill. The "Western" Human nature is to possess. Hence the destruction and war. We want value and possession of value.

I would like to think that we wouldn't exterminate another civilisation now, but the people who are in power are the ones most corrupted by this instinct.


Why Western? Surely China had an empire too? And Ghengis Khan? They weren't "weastern" and the Islamic empire stretched throughout the Middle East, Noth Africa and Spain.

However, I agree with you, I would hope that we wouldn't do it but someone probably would...
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:32 pm


donnythephoenix
The human nature is not to kill. The "Western" Human nature is to possess. Hence the destruction and war. We want value and possession of value.

I would like to think that we wouldn't exterminate another civilisation now, but the people who are in power are the ones most corrupted by this instinct.



I dont know how exclusive to "western" civilization it is. China has a mean WOMP to it and they are very powerful. How do you become so close to that much power? Your hunger for possesion and expansion drives you. But I certainly agree that war is often caused by that hunger. Unfortunately it is also driven by misguided good intentions. "Men who believe that they are good, who do not search their own souls or doubt most often commit the worst atrocities in the belief that what he is doing is right." - David Farland. That is one of the many problems with religion and cultural blinders. But that is can of worms I dont particularly want to open.

I also agree that in a better world we might have evolved past that, but our leaders have the need for power (especailly ours, the US) and their are many men/women who believe that what they do is right so most likely we will continue killing for these reasons.

moon_child113


Septomor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:40 pm


I live in United States, Texas as a matter of fact. And there aren't any people who would kill people as far as I know
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:33 pm


The War? The Big Wigs in congress? White Supremisists? Black Panthers? Radical Christian Right? Anti-Abortionists who blow up abortion clinics? war mongers? Gangs? Mob? Skin Heads? Super Radical Liberals (rarely though)? ALL of those groups are very prominent in the US and many of these groups commit atrocities everyday. Obviously you need to catch up on current events.

moon_child113


Septomor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:01 pm


I think you forgot ku klux klan.The war isn't a killing kind of thing becuase many people are forced to fight. Black Panther's ideas are people using self-defense and while many have wrongly treated that, many stay true to it. Radical christian right? if you mean poeple who kill others becuase they aren't 100% christian then i understand but many people don't kill like that.
I'm to "young" to get the abortion problem? War mongers, you know not all war mongers are killers, and most aren't even killers of humans but animals. Mob is like a supreme bank where you have to pay an ulimate toll, but if there weren't any greedy and selfish people then the mob wouldn't exist. What in the world are skin heads?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:03 pm


Also I'm going to pull out a quote that I remember, you might like it.
"Old men declare wars, yet it is the young who must die" -?????
I forgot his name

Septomor


Septomor

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:07 pm


donnythephoenix
The human nature is not to kill. The "Western" Human nature is to possess. Hence the destruction and war. We want value and possession of value.

I would like to think that we wouldn't exterminate another civilisation now, but the people who are in power are the ones most corrupted by this instinct.


You all should read Martian Chronicles, By Raybradbury, but don't buy it, becuase you probably won't like the ending. But its very interesting and i think your right donny, its just what i mean is that humans don't like change, change is sufering for us and we can't live with constant changing
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:54 pm


Septomor_The_Slayer
I think you forgot ku klux klan.The war isn't a killing kind of thing becuase many people are forced to fight. Black Panther's ideas are people using self-defense and while many have wrongly treated that, many stay true to it. Radical christian right? if you mean poeple who kill others becuase they aren't 100% christian then i understand but many people don't kill like that.
I'm to "young" to get the abortion problem? War mongers, you know not all war mongers are killers, and most aren't even killers of humans but animals. Mob is like a supreme bank where you have to pay an ulimate toll, but if there weren't any greedy and selfish people then the mob wouldn't exist. What in the world are skin heads?


I most certainly did not forget the KKK, I just didnt limit it to one White Supremacy group. Although the KKK is possably the most notorious W.S organization, they are not the only or the most violent/potentailly dangerous group. Did you know that violence against the homeless has more than tripled in the last decade? inter-racial tolerance is at a massive decline? violence against homosexuals and anti-homosexual teachings are booming right now? The Black Panthers, although not as much now, have promoted violence against white people through out their history. In the radical christian right/muslim right people most certainly do kill for just that reason (and more). The war isnt a killing thing? Than what is it? American armed soldiers and Iraqi insurgents sitting around drinking tea? Some people may have been forced into the war but MANY people, quite unfortunatly I know of some of these people, believe that "those Arabs that did this to our country ought to be exterminated." And that is why they are there. For the glory of war. Isnt that sad. "I am to 'young' to understand the abortion problem?"--I dont know what your asking with that.....Then what is a war monger in your eyes? A man/woman who creates war to expand his power? or a person who creates war for their beliefes? either way it helps my point. "But if there weren't any greedy and selfish people then the mob wouldn't exist." but there are and thats reality. How much do you know about politics/socail science?

moon_child113


Septomor

PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:53 pm


moon child i meant personally don't know. I live in an area without much crime (I mean specific area as in a city not a county) and therefore none of my friends are racist, gangsters, members of the BLack Panther, believe in Christianty so much they have to hurt others, homosexuals, and defiently not war mongers. And that wasn't a question I was asking, I didn't mean to put a ? I meant a period. also I know a good deal about politics and socail science. I might not know every little thing but I still have a good knowledge (In other words I don't ignore it)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:13 pm


Ok, no foul. I make typos too wink . I understand that you might live in a fairly protected/safe area, but just because you dont know those people doesnt mean there arent a lot out there.

You may know about politics but all I'm saying is perhaps you should expose yourself to more of life. Politics and especailly socail sciences arent all blood thristy congress men and why civilizations form next to bodies of water, to understand them you have to see from different angles and see around corners and through blind spots. You have to consider what might happen rather than what is happening. You have to understand the way people, as a group, think and how what some or small groups do effect what other or bigger groups do. You have to think that maybe the way you understand it or how people have presented a situation to you isnt nessicarily the best way to look at it or even the truth. Especailly when it comes to politics. Most importantly, to understand them you need to open yourself up to the fact that there is a lot of world and people outside of what your used to that dont act or think the way you do. Think about it. (refer to my first quote and apply it to this.)

moon_child113


Septomor

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:09 pm


k thanks. Ummm just wanting your opinon, everyone's opinon, why do people kill anything?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:50 pm


For my previously stated reasons and because its in our primal nature. We are preditors and we have acute survival instincts even today.

moon_child113


~Rainbow Coloured Starz~

PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:47 pm


Instinct to kill? I'm not sure I agree...

Survival yes, but then we would kill to save ourselves, not just for the sake of it.
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