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 Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:54 pm
How about a new discussion board put together by the Mods, were they put together each topic based on current problems, the key to this is that only people in certian guilds may respond such as:
A guild like this could talk about issues about problems within the discussion forums
Or a guild about animal rights can talk about topics discussing animal cruelty, newest animal discoveries, etc. topics
Or a guild based around Country music can discuss Country music and culture topics.
This doesn't disallow free speech but does allow a more structural option of intelligent discussion that would be done by large groups.
Its just a rough idea anyway to better it give me suggestions
Well what im talking about is more like Guild Wars/Debates a section of Gaia that promotes free speech among people of the same mind, this would also allow those that have RP-Narutos/ninja villages to have an arena. This won't make any group elitist it will make you actually get together with other people within your own guild and Debate/War w/ others from a different guild
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:31 am
Hmmm, but won't that make us look like Elitists?
Aren't we trying to remove that idea from the populace of Gaia?
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:11 pm
Temba Hmmm, but won't that make us look like Elitists? Aren't we trying to remove that idea from the populace of Gaia? Actually, Temba, our main goal here is to drive them out. If that means it makes us look elitist, that is our second concern. We shouldn't get too hung up on that view of us as we aren't even sure if their feelings can be reversed.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:16 pm
Yoshimasa_the_Radiant Temba Hmmm, but won't that make us look like Elitists? Aren't we trying to remove that idea from the populace of Gaia? Actually, Temba, our main goal here is to drive them out. If that means it makes us look elitist, that is our second concern. We shouldn't get too hung up on that view of us as we aren't even sure if their feelings can be reversed. Can you clarify your post? On one hand, it sounds like you're trying to drive the elitists out, but on the other hand, your post doesn't really sound like that due to the context of this guild. You should add in who you mean by "them" and "they".
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:04 pm
Well what im talking about is more like Guild Wars/Debates a section of Gaia that promotes free speech among people of the same mind, this would also allow those that have RP-Narutos/ninja villages to have an arena. This won't make any group elitist it will make you actually get together with other people within your own guild and Debate/War w/ others from a different guild
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:46 am
SoundDoctrine Yoshimasa_the_Radiant Temba Hmmm, but won't that make us look like Elitists? Aren't we trying to remove that idea from the populace of Gaia? Actually, Temba, our main goal here is to drive them out. If that means it makes us look elitist, that is our second concern. We shouldn't get too hung up on that view of us as we aren't even sure if their feelings can be reversed. Can you clarify your post? On one hand, it sounds like you're trying to drive the elitists out, but on the other hand, your post doesn't really sound like that due to the context of this guild. You should add in who you mean by "them" and "they". Oh, I'm sorry, I suppose it wasn't overly clear. Them and they were refering to the spammers and trolls.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:13 pm
Yoshimasa_the_Radiant SoundDoctrine Yoshimasa_the_Radiant Temba Hmmm, but won't that make us look like Elitists? Aren't we trying to remove that idea from the populace of Gaia? Actually, Temba, our main goal here is to drive them out. If that means it makes us look elitist, that is our second concern. We shouldn't get too hung up on that view of us as we aren't even sure if their feelings can be reversed. Can you clarify your post? On one hand, it sounds like you're trying to drive the elitists out, but on the other hand, your post doesn't really sound like that due to the context of this guild. You should add in who you mean by "them" and "they". Oh, I'm sorry, I suppose it wasn't overly clear. Them and they were refering to the spammers and trolls. Okay. Thanks for your clarification. I assumed that's what you meant, but I just wanted to be sure since I was kinda tired around that time.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:00 pm
I don't know. You can't have a stimulated intellectual community without the addition of new members, at least every once in a while. But eventually, just like the ED did, it's going to get overrun with spammers, pseudo-intellectuals, and flamers. It just seems like it'd be starting the cycle over again to me. Either way I don't know how cool with it the mods'd be.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:33 pm
It would actually be more controllable because lets say people from one group continuelly spam, the mods could if they want suspend them from the Guild War Forum.
And sense these are guilds this means that anyone can still speak including newbies, but because they're guilds owners are more responsible and those that have wanted to have RPG wars between other guilds will be more possible.
Also lets think about the fact that these guilds will be talking inside the guilds before presenting a debate, but realize how much fun it would be if they added a guild of the month addition. think about it
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:53 pm
Pallas Parthenos I don't know. You can't have a stimulated intellectual community without the addition of new members, at least every once in a while. But eventually, just like the ED did, it's going to get overrun with spammers, pseudo-intellectuals, and flamers. It just seems like it'd be starting the cycle over again to me. Either way I don't know how cool with it the mods'd be. I am becoming progressively less concerned with what the moderators or admins think is cool. This (ED) community was created when forums were opened and Gaians began posting. It was interesting, engaged, fun, and challenging. What has changed since then is on the part of the moderators and the administrators. We have a new battle system due to be released, a daily chance system that pales in comparison to the pink link, trunk and giftbox system, which now comes around once in an almost never, and apparently the name for donation items was important enough to spend time on that there was a notice sent out redesignating them as "monthly collectible items." This s**t is ridiculous and it needs to stop. But we're largely being ignored. The forums are now riddled with garbage, and many of the people who posted three years ago were driven away by the dump they turned into. The only way something like this will be successful is if it is well-moderated and looked after. The only way it will fail is if it is cast aside and forgotten and its supporters and members forsaken, as we have been. Three years ago, I thought my donation might have meant something to Gaia. Today, I don't think it ever has.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:28 pm
Elf Lord Chiewn I am becoming progressively less concerned with what the moderators or admins think is cool. This (ED) community was created when forums were opened and Gaians began posting. It was interesting, engaged, fun, and challenging. What has changed since then is on the part of the moderators and the administrators. We have a new battle system due to be released, a daily chance system that pales in comparison to the pink link, trunk and giftbox system, which now comes around once in an almost never, and apparently the name for donation items was important enough to spend time on that there was a notice sent out redesignating them as "monthly collectible items." This s**t is ridiculous and it needs to stop. But we're largely being ignored. The forums are now riddled with garbage, and many of the people who posted three years ago were driven away by the dump they turned into. The only way something like this will be successful is if it is well-moderated and looked after. The only way it will fail is if it is cast aside and forgotten and its supporters and members forsaken, as we have been. Three years ago, I thought my donation might have meant something to Gaia. Today, I don't think it ever has.
I don't know whether I feel moderators/admins are in the right or the wrong (can they help it hoardes of people are joining every day?), but all the same we can't do anything without THEIR okay, which is why I made note that I wasn't sure this idea would work.
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:32 pm
Pallas Parthenos Elf Lord Chiewn I am becoming progressively less concerned with what the moderators or admins think is cool. This (ED) community was created when forums were opened and Gaians began posting. It was interesting, engaged, fun, and challenging. What has changed since then is on the part of the moderators and the administrators. We have a new battle system due to be released, a daily chance system that pales in comparison to the pink link, trunk and giftbox system, which now comes around once in an almost never, and apparently the name for donation items was important enough to spend time on that there was a notice sent out redesignating them as "monthly collectible items." This s**t is ridiculous and it needs to stop. But we're largely being ignored. The forums are now riddled with garbage, and many of the people who posted three years ago were driven away by the dump they turned into. The only way something like this will be successful is if it is well-moderated and looked after. The only way it will fail is if it is cast aside and forgotten and its supporters and members forsaken, as we have been. Three years ago, I thought my donation might have meant something to Gaia. Today, I don't think it ever has.
I don't know whether I feel moderators/admins are in the right or the wrong (can they help it hoardes of people are joining every day?), but all the same we can't do anything without THEIR okay, which is why I made note that I wasn't sure this idea would work.Sure we would have to petetion it but it would be agood addition i mean the positive aspects outwiegh the barely existant negative ones
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:02 pm
So the basic premise of this new forum is that Guild A would have a thread where a certain topic was debated with Guild B. Anyone who wanted to take part in the actual debate would have to join Guild A or B.
If a member of guild A didn't support the points that guild A was maker, would this member be allowed to make counter points or would guilds have to stand on a united front?
Also how could we guarentee the quality of any person joining a guild? Would there be guild recruitment areas or would noobs be left to stumble around blindly seeking a guild?
Would each thread topic establish what was or was not acceptable proof or would we continue to use ED standards for proof?
Couldn't we attempt something similar now anyway? Two guilds (or more) could get together and "host" a debate amoungst themselves right now if they wanted to. Even though other posters who didn't belong to guilds would be allowed to post, wouldn't there be enough knowledgable people parcipating in a guild funded debate to negate this slightly?
Have two guilds or even one guild gotten together and posted a disscussion on ED before and if not why hasn't someone considered it?
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:49 pm
Kajitora Sure we would have to petetion it but it would be agood addition i mean the positive aspects outwiegh the barely existant negative ones
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Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:10 pm
blindfaith^_^ So the basic premise of this new forum is that Guild A would have a thread where a certain topic was debated with Guild B. Anyone who wanted to take part in the actual debate would have to join Guild A or B. If a member of guild A didn't support the points that guild A was maker, would this member be allowed to make counter points or would guilds have to stand on a united front? Also how could we guarentee the quality of any person joining a guild? Would there be guild recruitment areas or would noobs be left to stumble around blindly seeking a guild? Would each thread topic establish what was or was not acceptable proof or would we continue to use ED standards for proof? Couldn't we attempt something similar now anyway? Two guilds (or more) could get together and "host" a debate amoungst themselves right now if they wanted to. Even though other posters who didn't belong to guilds would be allowed to post, wouldn't there be enough knowledgable people parcipating in a guild funded debate to negate this slightly? Have two guilds or even one guild gotten together and posted a disscussion on ED before and if not why hasn't someone considered it? I want questions like this so i can tweak it and others can help tweak it. of course you know people can join multiple guilds. Guilds have their own requirements of course. And actually i was thinking there could be a "Master Guild Mod" or "Mods" that would make topics. Debates would need more proof and resources then GD topics and at least "old" ED based standards. The basis behind the "guild wars" would be the ability to make stuff more organized and less likely to have off-the-wall random topics, and allow there to be a more control EX: If a guilds member is continully spamming than the guild may be banned for 3 days unless they talk to the individual or ban the person themselves. Remember this is freedom of speech but Intelligent speech and i don't belive "leet n00b 1$ hur" could be considered intelligent. Remeber this is just an idea so please help me out to tweak it
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