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 Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:55 am
What is Sora's Heartless? In the game when they said Roxas was his Nobody he said he didn't have a heartless, but then someone said he did...what is his heartless? Is it Anti-Sora? lol I'm dumb but I really want to know.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:31 pm
Wasn't Sora's heartless just that shadow in Hollow Bastion?
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:29 am
Yeah, it was a regular Shadow. You got to play as it for about a minute or two.
It then turned back into Sora.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:10 pm
What Jetzudan said. Sora turned to a regular Shadow, and then changed back. Roxas was created in the process.
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:41 am
Yep, that meansd Sora was in fact a heartless until Roxas remerged with him at the end of the KH2 prologue when Roxas remerged with him. My theory is that since Roxas didn't merge completely until the WTNW, the anti-form was created. O.o does that make sense?
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:57 pm
Ayumi Noir Yep, that meansd Sora was in fact a heartless until Roxas remerged with him at the end of the KH2 prologue when Roxas remerged with him. My theory is that since Roxas didn't merge completely until the WTNW, the anti-form was created. O.o does that make sense? Nah, as it's known Anti-form is a byproduct of using the drive forms too much. True, there's no chance of getting Anti-form via Final Form thanks to Roxas's input, but the fact is that it's still there for the others even after that sequence. But, saying that Anti-form would randomly appear in your sense. He would need some strong guidance of light to bring him out of it like Kairi did back at Hollow Bastion. Or, his clothes puts in the effort to do it themselves only after they've run out of their 'magical powers'. xd
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:31 am
Jetzudan Yeah, it was a regular Shadow. You got to play as it for about a minute or two. It then turned back into Sora. Considering that Roxas was created, Don't you think that it should have been more.... imaginative? I mean, when Xehanort lost his heart, Ansem was created...
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:34 am
that's something i was thinking on, too. if the strength of his heart was enough to create such a powerful nobody, why was his heartless the weakest possible? i thought that the strength of one's heart had an effect on that too.. like, the bosses were originally people with strong hearts, etc.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:59 am
When Roxas first appeared, where was he? Was he automatically in the Organizations grasp? Did they happen to find him? What?
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:36 pm
Seira Relur When Roxas first appeared, where was he? Was he automatically in the Organizations grasp? Did they happen to find him? What? Roxas was at Twilight Town
and I think almost every nobody is created there o.o
and Xemnas found him and gave him his new name
how Xemnas was able to know if they're a nobody or not
will remain a mystery...
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:39 pm
Alaisiaga that's something i was thinking on, too. if the strength of his heart was enough to create such a powerful nobody, why was his heartless the weakest possible? i thought that the strength of one's heart had an effect on that too.. like, the bosses were originally people with strong hearts, etc. Yeah, Xehanort was the only one that was able to do that. I think maybe because he stepped into the darkness willingly, more so than Sora who was more concerned with light and caring for others. Xehanort was just utterly obsessed with it that perhaps his consciousness had remained intact as his heartless was formed just as Xemnas and the Nobodies do. If you take...Scar for example. He also remained intact as his greed and wrath propelled him forward to torment Simba. Sora didn't want to bother anybody. The main special thing about him is that he, as Xehanort, regained his consciousness to go find Kairi. Even in general, somebodies -their hearts were taken from them, not the other way around. The greater the evil, the more powerful and destructive the heartless you get. Nobodies, on the other hand, are more special cases. Either good or bad hearts will still produce one with the same natural instincts to be whole, etc. xX_Elysium_Xx Seira Relur When Roxas first appeared, where was he? Was he automatically in the Organizations grasp? Did they happen to find him? What? Roxas was at Twilight Town
and I think almost every nobody is created there o.o
and Xemnas found him and gave him his new name
how Xemnas was able to know if they're a nobody or not
will remain a mystery...
Well, if you take the original six of the organization into consideration, the nobodies are to remain in place as the heart is removed from them. In the Secret Ansem Reports, Ansem wondered when his students had lost their hearts during their experiments. That there proves that the Nobody will remain in place of the previous Somebody and the heartless dive into the realm of darkness. True, there are exceptions. We know of Roxas popping up in Twilight Town when he could have shown up in Hollow Bastion. Twilight Town would hold a mix of both light and darkness....so just with Traverse Town people can show up there. But in the case of a World being taken over by the darkness, where the inhabitants wouldn't acutally be living anywhere....I'm not sure. I suppose it goes with my previous comment of popping up in a place closest to the darkness that overtook them or more to a realm of light. Another note, about knowing if they're Nobodies or not: If they can summon up dark powers; feel a lack of a heart and are clutching it endlessly; pop up in the dark realm or some other unknown world and are wandering around aimlessly; .....random points, I'm not exactly sure. But then they could always get Zexion to 'follow his nose'. xd
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:06 pm
Well, Sora turned into a Shadow Heartless in Hollow Bastion, but I WISH his Heartless was the boss Riku summoned on Captain Hook's ship- you know, the Sora-looking Heartless (who I strongly believe influences the Anti Drive)? He ticked me off, but he was awesomeness.
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:06 pm
MsDevin92 Well, Sora turned into a Shadow Heartless in Hollow Bastion, but I WISH his Heartless was the boss Riku summoned on Captain Hook's ship- you know, the Sora-looking Heartless (who I strongly believe influences the Anti Drive)? He ticked me off, but he was awesomeness. Yeh. I loved that part in the game. Twas shooo fun. O>O
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:18 pm
RosesShadow makes several good points. One thing I wanted to say, though, is that I think Sora's breif time as a shadow was mostly to show his humble willingness to die for Kairi. Then Kairi turned him back into Sora as a return of those affections. It's a reiteration of the "Kairi's heart is inside Sora's" thing, and it resulted in a "Sora loves himself" situation. Sora as a shadow is devoid of emotion, and craves it. Kairi offered him "love for Sora" and the power of that emotion turned him into a humanoid heartless like Ansem. The only emotion Sora had when he was a shodow was love for himself from Kairi, which translates as conceit on a powerful level.
As for Roxas being "born" in Hollow Bastion, where Sora turned into a heartless, it's impossible. Unless there was a delay from when Sora lost his heart to Roxas' birth, he would have been visible in Sora's shadow form because you start where Sora lost his hear and go through the whole castle. This leads me to believe that Roxas was taken from Hollow Bastion immediatley after his creation (spoiler---> wink by Ansem the Wise, the real Ansem, and put in the virtual Twilight Town.
As for Anti Form, Sora is still techinically a heartless until late in the game. This results in "overloads" in the misuse and overuse of the various forms, excluding Final Form, the result of Sora and Roxas being reunited.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:12 am
Is it possiable, that while sora was a heartless within a few minutes, That roxas lived his whole life within those few minutes? o.O
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