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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:33 am
If you go to a doctor and ask for alist of abnormal behavior he'll run out thousands and thousands of lists and diagnosis. But if you ask for a list of ormal behavior what will he say? i Mean if everyone in the world was forced to see a therapist at least once everyone in the world would be considered insane. I know that there are some more "crazy" than others but in reality what i normal behavior? And what makes those in the pysch wards so diffrent from the hippies? They all did drugs and had casual sex and they, some, ran around naked where as if we did this now we would be put in a mental facility and meds.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:43 am
The difference is in the disturbance to the individual. All those lists of diagnostic criteria have a caveat about the disorder affecting the sufferer's life negatively. For example, the diagnostic criteria for Schizophrenia includes: DSM-IV-TR Social/occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset. Nearly all diagnoses include the negative affects on the individual's life function as a criteria. So the hippies can be as "crazy" as they want to be, as long as it isn't screwing up their lives forever against their control. If you don't have a PROBLEM then you don't have a PROBLEM! That's why everyone isn't forced to see a therapist for a mandatory diagnosis. A person should only fix a problem if they notice their life has a problem, instead of (as happens so often on Gaia) finding a list of symptoms and then trying to fit their life into the description of a problem.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:51 am
i see how that can be true to a certain extent as that the persons lives are at risk and nin danger of disfunctioing if not under the proprer care orr precautions. I also uinder stand when you say:
A person should only fix a problem if they notice their life has a problem, instead of (as happens so often on Gaia) finding a list of symptoms and then trying to fit their life into the description of a problem.
many times i see on gaia people stating that they suffer from border line because they read it on a forum but then again does this not alert people that there might be a problem?
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:17 pm
It's hard for me to answer this because I live in the Uk, and most people here live in the US.
Well.. I can run around naked and have nothing doen about it providing that I understand it is not normal behavior and no-one objects to it (if people object I think I could be arrested). It's if I ran around naked and needed it to be explained to me that this wasn't a great idea or a normal thing to do, and evne possibly then didn't understand, then I might be mentally ill. Does that make sense?
Many people do drugs and have causual sex. They just don't tell people about it. If they did the response would most likely be a confused "Uuuh... how nice for you".
As Alex says, genuine mental illness must be a big problem. They're often fairly obvious too.
Those people who read a description of a disorder and fit one symptom and then cliam they have it bug everybody. If they weren't mentioned and this was a misunderstanding, sorry abotu that!
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:50 pm
Quote: many times i see on gaia people stating that they suffer from border line because they read it on a forum but then again does this not alert people that there might be a problem? Not really. Like Alex said, people with the disorder are already *having* problems. They may read the list of symptoms and say "Wow, that's a lot like the problems I have" and that may mean that they have borderline personality disorder. But it could also mean that they are exagerrating their own problems or searching for things in their lives that will fit the problems they see listed. More likely for someone who is borderline is that they will read it and they willnot really have to think hard or try to justify that they can relate, and that other people, including doctors, will probably agree. Does this make sense? Often times, it's difficult to draw the line because a lot of people show symptoms of a lot of disorders, but it is their magnitude in the individual and the impairment in functioning these symptoms cause that define a disorder.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:58 pm
Civet Moon Quote: many times i see on gaia people stating that they suffer from border line because they read it on a forum but then again does this not alert people that there might be a problem? Not really. Like Alex said, people with the disorder are already *having* problems. They may read the list of symptoms and say "Wow, that's a lot like the problems I have" and that may mean that they have borderline personality disorder. But it could also mean that they are exagerrating their own problems or searching for things in their lives that will fit the problems they see listed. More likely for someone who is borderline is that they will read it and they willnot really have to think hard or try to justify that they can relate, and that other people, including doctors, will probably agree. Does this make sense? Often times, it's difficult to draw the line because a lot of people show symptoms of a lot of disorders, but it is their magnitude in the individual and the impairment in functioning these symptoms cause that define a disorder. Okay. Nut do people that think they're cazy not crazy because they think they're crazy or do people that deny they're crazy crazy because they deny it?
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:06 pm
Quote: Okay. Nut do people that think they're cazy not crazy because they think they're crazy or do people that deny they're crazy crazy because they deny it? Heh, that one took me a few times rereading it to understand. Sorry if I misinterpretted. I think that this is on an individual basis, but also depends on the disorder you are talking about. As Alex or others here will probably tell you, it's common for schizophrenics to not believe they are ill. But someone who is depressed or has anxiety, atleast from my experience living with someone like this, usually does recognize and acknowledge the problem.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:16 pm
so it all depends on their ability to cope or to understand that there is in fact a problem.orr to not cope or in fact recognize their just paranoid?
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:46 pm
Civet Moon Quote: many times i see on gaia people stating that they suffer from border line because they read it on a forum but then again does this not alert people that there might be a problem? Not really. Like Alex said, people with the disorder are already *having* problems. They may read the list of symptoms and say "Wow, that's a lot like the problems I have" and that may mean that they have borderline personality disorder. But it could also mean that they are exagerrating their own problems or searching for things in their lives that will fit the problems they see listed. More likely for someone who is borderline is that they will read it and they willnot really have to think hard or try to justify that they can relate, and that other people, including doctors, will probably agree. Does this make sense? Often times, it's difficult to draw the line because a lot of people show symptoms of a lot of disorders, but it is their magnitude in the individual and the impairment in functioning these symptoms cause that define a disorder. i found this and it's rather intresting i submitit to point out that others will ask for opinions now is this wrong? Tr!xe Lets start out with a simple intro. Please don't flame me. I know you don't care about my problems. I know i know. Shut up about it. if your not willing to read and help diagnose, then just leave, don't flame. I'm trying to discover what disease I have (i'm sure i have a mental disorder but i can't identify it) Please read this whole thing and see if you know what mental disorder I may have. Willing to research... I've slipped back into depression. A huge part of me is gone. Its like I'm a puzzle but half of it is missing. I don't know how or where but I'm just not whole. I've learned to strive on pain. Be is physical or emotional. I strive on it. I also have an urge to hurt others. Emotionally not physically. I hate that part of me but I don't know how to get rid of it. Deep inside me its there and its pokes its ugly head once in a while. I dispise it so passionately. I also constantly lie to make my life seem like its worse. If someones gone through something that I havent, i say that i have just to make my life seem worse. I dont' know if its because I want to be able to relate to them or what. maybe thats why I want others to be emotionally damaged, so they can relate to me. I want my life to be a living hell. I want to not be able to sleep at night. I love the idea of being so emotionally unstable that I do mentally insane. I want that to happen to me. But in the same sence I don't...I just don't know what I am. or what the hell is wrong with me. Sometimes I just wish i could be alone. With only my tears, my blade, and my pack of cigarettes. make myself feel better, but at the same time, i know its temporary. I only want temporary releif. If i was constantly happy I'd go insane, therefore, i want to be happy. But i hate the idea of being happy, so I keep myself depressed. I'm just ******** up i guess. Its like my blade is my best friend. And being with it, is the only thing that makes me happy, but sad at the same time, Its my favorite emotion. I just dont know what to do.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:01 pm
Vianette many times i see on gaia people stating that they suffer from border line because they read it on a forum but then again does this not alert people that there might be a problem? No. Mental-illnesses are not just a bad mood or a special kind of freckle. They are disabling problems that hit your life like a tidal wave. Even if a person has a type of mental-illness that limits their ability to realize that they are ill will demonstrate to everyone around them that they are ill by the deterioration of their life. People should seek treatment for problems after they or others notice a problem in their lives. Not after they read a message board and try to fit their lives into a description of a problem just for entertainment. Vianette do people that think they're cazy not crazy because they think they're crazy or do people that deny they're crazy crazy because they deny it? Neither is necessarily true. It would be neat if it were, because then we'd all have an automatic litmus test to determine who was mentally ill. Life is not that simple. Vianette so it all depends on their ability to cope or to understand that there is in fact a problem.orr to not cope or in fact recognize their just paranoid? Even if they do not understand or recognize their problem, their ability to cope will be affected, which will be obvious to everyone around them, if not themselves. Vianette i found this and it's rather intresting i submitit to point out that others will ask for opinions now is this wrong? It's not wrong if the person asks doctors and other trained professionals for opinions! But poor Tr!xe can NEVER be helped by self-diagnosing, and it is quite possible that she could be harmed by it! Self-diagnosing makes you imagine symptoms that you don't have, and even ignore symptoms that you do have! Besides, it is pointless to be diagnosed at all if you aren't going to treat it, and if you're going to treat it you need a doctor, so why not just go to the doctor if you have a problem and let the doctor diagnose and treat it? I can only hope that people like Tr!xe stop the futile effort to place meaningless or harmful labels on themselves while letting their condition deteriorate. The people who pretend to help her diagnose herself online aren't really helping her with their "opinions."
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