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 Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:19 am
So, Joy and I are starting to work more and more on the canter now. On Saturday, I asked her to pick it up, and instead she exploded into this bucking fit. I finally kicked her forward into the canter, but like 6 strides into it, she started bucking again. And they aren't happy bucks. They're ears pinned, head shaking, grunting like a pig bucks. gonk
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to how to get her to pick up the canter more easily, and without bucks. Because whenever she has these little fits, I know it's good to just ride through them so she knows she's not gonna make me get off, but it's REALLY starting to get taxing on my body. I am so sore right now, and my neck is all messed up from the jerky movements of the bucking. ._.
My first idea is to work on the canter on the longe line for awhile. We usually only do walk-trot on the longe. I'm thinking if she gets used to it on the longe, she'll be more willing once I'm in the saddle.
Also, once she's in the canter, she LEANS like no other. It's like riding a motorcycle or something rofl . Any ideas how to fix that?
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:11 pm
Lunge her in the canter before you do any work in the canter while on her. It does help alot, and another thing that might help is how tightly you're holding the reins. When you ask for the transition, do you give at all? I've always been taught that you want to give for only an instant when you ask for the transition, but not to let the reins get floppy, per se.
Hope that helps? XD
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:45 pm
wow, that sounds like fun. for the bucking thing, i cant really help much, ive never had to deal with that. but the lunging before hand is a good thing to do.
she listens to leg right? for the leaning, my suggestion is to get her REALLY supple in her back, flexing both ways so when u canter u can put your leg on to straighten her. i rode a horse 2 summers ago, he was really green and leaned really bad. he was really narrow and tall (well, 16 hands, but he was so narrow and leggy it felt taller) that at first it almost felt like u had to sit on his side to be balance! ...which is SO wrong, lol. if shes not really supple in the back, it might take a while to get there. u said she was trained for western pleasure before right? theres like NO flexing in that, but ur really dressage, so u can do it!
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:32 am
Darkeenya So, Joy and I are starting to work more and more on the canter now. On Saturday, I asked her to pick it up, and instead she exploded into this bucking fit. I finally kicked her forward into the canter, but like 6 strides into it, she started bucking again. And they aren't happy bucks. They're ears pinned, head shaking, grunting like a pig bucks. gonk
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to how to get her to pick up the canter more easily, and without bucks. Because whenever she has these little fits, I know it's good to just ride through them so she knows she's not gonna make me get off, but it's REALLY starting to get taxing on my body. I am so sore right now, and my neck is all messed up from the jerky movements of the bucking. ._.
My first idea is to work on the canter on the longe line for awhile. We usually only do walk-trot on the longe. I'm thinking if she gets used to it on the longe, she'll be more willing once I'm in the saddle.
Also, once she's in the canter, she LEANS like no other. It's like riding a motorcycle or something rofl . Any ideas how to fix that? Ears pinned, head shaking... you check the saddle fit lately? pad? girth? Backs do change shape. Sounds like anger at pain, or maybe some other physical problem that she resents. Leans at the canter? How do you mean this? Leans to the outside or inside? Leans on the bit? I would give her a going over from hoof to tip of ears, probing for any soreness, especially the back and loins, and legs. What the heck, check her mouth and teeth too... May only bother her at the canter, you never know. Also, for some horses (Arabs and TBs in particular) working on the lunge before riding does NOT get the kinks out... it just warms them up for lotsa kinks. hahahaha HONEST, it's true. You could lunge them (or round pen) until they are tired, but then they might just be resentful when finally ridden. I use serpentines, circles, and like that at walk, then slow (ordinary) trot first, then do sort canters to trot to canter, to walk etc. transitions before trying for a full canter around the arena. Keeps them off balance mentally, thinking all the time (what next? I better be ready.). I always start my works that way, cause TBs just gotta have a run and maybe bucks if they can. LOL
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:49 am
omg i was going to post somrthing like this as my friends mare is doing the bucks also and her saddle fits etc shes in no pain or anything else we can think of. any help is welcome.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:38 am
MustangDragon Darkeenya So, Joy and I are starting to work more and more on the canter now. On Saturday, I asked her to pick it up, and instead she exploded into this bucking fit. I finally kicked her forward into the canter, but like 6 strides into it, she started bucking again. And they aren't happy bucks. They're ears pinned, head shaking, grunting like a pig bucks. gonk
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to how to get her to pick up the canter more easily, and without bucks. Because whenever she has these little fits, I know it's good to just ride through them so she knows she's not gonna make me get off, but it's REALLY starting to get taxing on my body. I am so sore right now, and my neck is all messed up from the jerky movements of the bucking. ._.
My first idea is to work on the canter on the longe line for awhile. We usually only do walk-trot on the longe. I'm thinking if she gets used to it on the longe, she'll be more willing once I'm in the saddle.
Also, once she's in the canter, she LEANS like no other. It's like riding a motorcycle or something rofl . Any ideas how to fix that? Ears pinned, head shaking... you check the saddle fit lately? pad? girth? Backs do change shape. Sounds like anger at pain, or maybe some other physical problem that she resents. Leans at the canter? How do you mean this? Leans to the outside or inside? Leans on the bit? I would give her a going over from hoof to tip of ears, probing for any soreness, especially the back and loins, and legs. What the heck, check her mouth and teeth too... May only bother her at the canter, you never know. Also, for some horses (Arabs and TBs in particular) working on the lunge before riding does NOT get the kinks out... it just warms them up for lotsa kinks. hahahaha HONEST, it's true. You could lunge them (or round pen) until they are tired, but then they might just be resentful when finally ridden. I use serpentines, circles, and like that at walk, then slow (ordinary) trot first, then do sort canters to trot to canter, to walk etc. transitions before trying for a full canter around the arena. Keeps them off balance mentally, thinking all the time (what next? I better be ready.). I always start my works that way, cause TBs just gotta have a run and maybe bucks if they can. LOL
Longing does help with her SOMEWHAT, being that she's a Quarter Horse and not an Arab (ie, not bred for endurance, just the opposite). I also use serpentines and circles and such when I ride, but I'm afraid she's TOO good at them. She doesn't have to think or really even pay a whole lot of attention when we do that kind of stuff, because she's well-practiced in it.
And by leaning, I mean.. hm.. like, when we're circling, she leans into the turn A TON. Like have you ever seen racing motorcycles take a turn, they lean so much they're like almost touching the ground on one side? Like that. rofl
Lyzz; Yeah, I'm always on the fence on how much rein I should be giving her. I want to give her plenty of rein to pick up the canter (she kind of LEAPS into it, since she's unpracticed), but then with so much rein she can easily dive her head down and start bucking as well. gonk
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:24 pm
For the serpentines and circles, don't just do those! Go down the centerline (aka middle of the arena) and the quarter lines (no leg-yeilding is necessary- Shay doesn't know leg yeilds yet, so I just go straight down the arena), spiral in and out on circles, etc.
One of my favorite things to do is (in a typical dressage arena, with the letters on the walls and stuff)...
All in the rising trot:
Circle at A (large-ish, like 20m)
go down centerline at A
X downwards transition to walk
C working trot rising, C turn right
M (I think that's the point in that corner), circle right 10 m
M straight ahead
B turn right
X circle right 10m
X circle left 10m; change rein
X to B, working trot rising
B turn left
B straight ahead
A circle left 20 m
and so on and so forth.
Keep her on her toes- you might find it helps later on, too. XD I know it does with Shay. 3nodding
Like a mini test. XD
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:12 am
Even if you think your horse is too good at the serpentines and circles, keep doing them. They should help losen her up and make her supple. And since she is leaning at the canter, they should make her listen to your leg more. Just make sure that you are helpinging her along in the exercises and its not jus her running around in them.
I have to agree with those who say get the tack looked at. You said that you thought it wasn't the tack, then maybe get her body looked at. There could be something bothering her that you can't see but a vet might be able to see.
Good luck!
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