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Gelenor the Blood Knight

PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:12 pm


i have been considering putting this topic on here for a while i just now got time to put it on.

WARNING!!!!!!!!!!! if any of you say that char would win just because he is a newtype, i got some info for you mu is a newtype also

this is a space battle where it is char in sazabi vs mu in the akatsuki(aka the golden gundam from seed destiny), the akatsuki has the equipment where it has funnels.

i say mu would win because he has the akatsuki which can't be hurt by beams and reflect beams that hit it back at their source. which would force char to use close range and mu would dominate in close range because he can still use his funnels. also mu's funnels can make a force-field up to 2 battleships big just in case.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:20 pm


Char would win becuase he has more combat experience with newtypes(sure he has gotten his a** kicked most of the time when going against a newtype) and though not a strong newtype like Amuro Ray he has the advantages of a UC newtype while Mwu's newtype powers are weak(that and we only know he can sense other newtypes and nothing else) Char will have the win.

Though Mwu has the advantage of the akatsuki's anti-beam defensive reflection system *cough*HyakuShikiripoff*cough* Char does have his shield which contains 3 missiles and there no mention the Akatsuki has PS armor so it would get damaged. But Mwu does have his DRAGOON's which could blow those missles but Char would probably distract Mwu with his funnels. But don't UC newtypes have the ability to see there opponents moves? Either way I see Char winning though with the destruction of his Sazabi and him having to eject his cockpit or dithcing it.

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Gelenor the Blood Knight

PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:43 pm


you forget that the akatsuki can project a force-field with its funnels so the missiles would not be as effective
PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:51 pm


gundam fan zero
you forget that the akatsuki can project a force-field with its funnels so the missiles would not be as effective

But Chars funnels could theroeticly get in before Mwu even uses beam sheild thing. That and he can shoot at the Akatsuki's face and blow its sensors. blaugh I still am keeping my idea of Char winning.

VEEB0MB3R

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msgAngel

PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:57 am


One thing to keep in mind:
Char is Raww le Klueze, and Raww le Klueze is Char.
The are the same character, just changed to fit in with the store.
Char was pulling the strings in UC,
Raww le Klueze was pulling the strings in SEED.
And who lost to Raww le Klueze at the end of SEED? Althought, I will point out the fact that the suits used in the fight weren't anywhere close to being an even match.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:23 am


what on earth are you talking about? it is not raw vs char it is mu vs char. and do you mean that sazabi vs the akatsuki is not even. mu and raw are not the same person.

Gelenor the Blood Knight


VEEB0MB3R

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:24 pm


msgAngel
One thing to keep in mind:
Char is Raww le Klueze, and Raww le Klueze is Char.
The are the same character, just changed to fit in with the store.
Char was pulling the strings in UC,
Raww le Klueze was pulling the strings in SEED.
And who lost to Raww le Klueze at the end of SEED? Althought, I will point out the fact that the suits used in the fight weren't anywhere close to being an even match.

Char was not pulling the strings on anything cept maybe on trying to kill the Zabi's... but we all saw what happened.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:26 pm


msgAngel
One thing to keep in mind:
Char is Raww le Klueze, and Raww le Klueze is Char.
The are the same character, just changed to fit in with the store.
Char was pulling the strings in UC,
Raww le Klueze was pulling the strings in SEED.
And who lost to Raww le Klueze at the end of SEED? Althought, I will point out the fact that the suits used in the fight weren't anywhere close to being an even match.

Meh, that logic is too round-about.

UC Gundam Newtypes are able to "read" the psycho-waves of those around them, thus gleaning their intentions--or feeling their presence outright. Those with "extraordinary spacial awareness" in Gundam SEED are also able to feel the presence of others; but, as to whether they can read their opponent's intentions, or move with lightning-fast reflexes, we do not know conclusively.

NowhereManXP


Gelenor the Blood Knight

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:16 pm


we already know damn well that mu has lighting fast reflexes that only a newtype or coordinator could have. he is not a coordinator and all the evidence points to him being a newtype
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:59 pm


gundam fan zero
we already know damn well that mu has lighting fast reflexes that only a newtype or coordinator could have.

Give me proof. Now. Find it, analyze it, and cite it--or shut up. You've made such suppositions without evidence before, and I'm getting tired of playing this game.

NowhereManXP


Gelenor the Blood Knight

PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:59 pm


well for one thing look here it does not use the term new type but mu does have natural spacial awareness which he uses to control the funnels of the seed and seed destiny series. except in those two series they are called dragoons not funnels. just like in the u.c. century you have to have a special natural ability to use them. also mu was able to sense rau la creuset. no ordinary human could do that. even if they are brothers that is not something brothers can usally do. this is what many newtypes in the u.c. era did with thier powers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_La_Flaga

i find fault in your reasoning. give me cited proof of an instance when char has read someone's mind to be able to predict their next move. and it has to be something that does not include amuro because he is a newtype aswell. i have read up on char, seen him fight in many series, and have yet to see him actually read someone's mind the way you say he can.

oh and here is some shots of the suit mu would use and in the space battles him actually using it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdeoi3DgGwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxUmjnWw_EU&mode=related&search=
so show me proof.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:35 am


gundam fan zero
well for one thing look here it does not use the term new type but mu does have natural spacial awareness which he uses to control the funnels of the seed and seed destiny series. except in those two series they are called dragoons not funnels. just like in the u.c. century you have to have a special natural ability to use them. also mu was able to sense rau la creuset. no ordinary human could do that.

... Umm, I acknowledged all of that already...

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... even if they are brothers that is not something brothers can usally do. this is what many newtypes in the u.c. era did with thier powers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_La_Flaga

Wikipedia is a terrible source for Gundam information. Don't use it.

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i find fault in your reasoning. give me cited proof of an instance when char has read someone's mind to be able to predict their next move.

That depends on what you mean by "reading someone's mind." If you mean "predict someone's actions by feeling their intentions through their psycho-waves," then it's implied; Char's piloting skill is the most clearly indicative of this. Even before Amuro manifested his "Newtype prowess," Char was showing hints of his: he was able to dodge Amuro's Beam Rifle blasts in episode 2 of Mobile Suit Gundam with relative ease, even though Mega Particle beams are lightning-fast. Both the corresponding scenes of Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 and Gundam: The Origin detail this fact, and in this scene in the Mobile Suit Gundam novels, it appears to Amuro that Char is dodging his attacks before they happen. Gundam Century, in fact, claims that the ability of some pilots to seemingly dodge fire from Beam Weapons was one of the factors in deciding that Zeon should invest more heavily in Newtype Research. Here's the relevant excerpt, as translated by Mark Simmons, because my mantra is, "If someone else said it better, use their words."

Gundam Century
One fact that became clear as a result was that many of the pilots who had destroyed warships had been able to evade even enemy mega particle cannons. Since mega particles traveled at almost the speed of light, it was practically impossible to evade mega particles that had been fired after being accurately targeted. In other words, these Zaku pilots had sensed the enemy's attacks before the fact. Naturally, the skills of the pilots played a large role in this, but that alone could not explain their ability to evade enemy fire.


Care to argue the point further... and lose?

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and it has to be something that does not include amuro because he is a newtype aswell.

How about that famous scene in episode 29 of Mobile Suit Gundam (IIRC), in which Char dodges fire from an RGM-79 GM before ramming the claws of his MSM-07S Z'Gok straight through its torso?

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i have read up on char, seen him fight in many series, and have yet to see him actually read someone's mind the way you say he can.

You obviously misunderstand. Maybe you should read up a little more on Newtypes in general, starting with Gundam Official's glossary entry on Newtypes:

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A type of human gifted with amazing powers of insight. The emergence of Newtypes is predicted by Zeon Zum Deikun, who believes that living in space will usher in a new stage of human evolution. During the One Year War, the researchers of the Principality of Zeon confirm the existence of people with superhuman powers of intuition and awareness, and learn to use these abilities for military purposes. In the following years Newtypes come to be seen as living weapons, a perception that they must somehow overcome if they ever hope to bring about the human revolution that Deikun predicted.

As the researchers of the Principality's Flanagan Institute discover, Newtypes have an unusual ability to transmit and receive the thoughtwaves, or psycho-waves, generated by human mental activity. This enables Newtypes to communicate with machines via thought alone, and their sensitivity to the thoughtwaves of other humans allows them to react to the hostile intentions of enemy pilots with superhuman speed. These abilities make Newtypes lethally effective in combat.


The bolded part is the most pertinent portion.

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oh and here is some shots of the suit mu would use and in the space battles him actually using it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdeoi3DgGwA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxUmjnWw_EU&mode=related&search=

I've seen Gundam SEED Destiny and am very familiar with the ORB-01 Akatsuki--probably more familiar than you, actually. I haven't stated who I think will "win." In fact, I won't do such a thing. I find versus threads like this to be somewhat meaningless and generally devoid of intelligent discussion. It's mostly a bunch of pointless fanboyism with little substance.

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so show me proof.

I have. Care to try to refute it all, as well as to prove that Mu La Flaga has exceptional reflexes, which is unconfirmed at best? No one is arguing that he can't use remote weapons: he does have "extraordinary spacial awareness," after all. I'm saying that Mu hasn't been confirmed to have UC Gundam Newtype-like reflexes.

NowhereManXP


msgAngel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:08 am


gundam fan zero
what on earth are you talking about? it is not raw vs char it is mu vs char. and do you mean that sazabi vs the akatsuki is not even. mu and raw are not the same person.


I was pointing out how Raw was like Char, and how Mu fought Raw and lost.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:34 am


ok so he lost. but at that point rau had a very large technological advantage . he had providence gundam which since it has unlimited phase shift and a nuclear reactor not to mention 11 dragoons that he could control. and mu was in aile strike which compared to providence is outdated. true it is the pilot not the mobile suit that makes the difference in a fight, if the ms that the pilot is using is not nere as good as his oppenent's ms then he is at a huge disadvantage, unless he is a much more skilled pilot than his oppenent. in the case of mu vs rau he could have wiped the floor with rau had he had a better ms. strike has a limited power supply and providence theoreticly unlimited so let me see how was that fight fair for mu? it wan't but he did damn well in the suit that he had.

also how can you say that he does not have exceptional refexes? he is keeping up with coordinators and beating many of them. he is a natural who has beaten many a geoneticly enhanced human, while he has nothing but the refexes given to him naturally at birth, with no enchancement.

Gelenor the Blood Knight


NowhereManXP

PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:31 am


gundam fan zero
also how can you say that he does not have exceptional refexes? he is keeping up with coordinators and beating many of them. he is a natural who has beaten many a geoneticly enhanced human, while he has nothing but the refexes given to him naturally at birth, with no enchancement.

Sorry, but that argument doesn't fly: c** hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Find something substantive.

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I was pointing out how Raw was like Char, and how Mu fought Raw and lost.

This argument fails for the same reason.
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