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 Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:56 pm
Ok so I have a question. I'm planning to lease this horse Sammy again aka crazy butt nugget horse) but I'm having 2 problems with him.
First when I go to mount him he takes off I mean he really takes off, and canters around the arena. and I cant get him to stay still or else he backs up and tries to bite. he stays still when someone holds him but there isent always people around to do that...
Then when I do get on him he always puts his head down and pulls the reins outta my hand. Is it just that I'm not strong enough to keep his head up or can I do something to prevent this?
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:58 am
My horse used to do the exact same two things...
For the running off when you mount, mabey try putting a halter on him instead of a bridle (and a saddle) and either tie him to something or have someone hold the lead rope. Keep getting on and off, the first time just putting your foot in the stirrup, next standing up in the stirrup, then swinging your leg over, and so on untill you can completely get on without him prancing around or trying to take off, then try it with the bridle instead of the halter and not tied up.
I really don't have any suggestions about the second one...I always just pulled my horse's head up and he eventually stopped.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:53 pm
About the head pulling - that is a nasty habit that I've seen many school horses develop. Work on sitting deep in the saddle, heels down, and sitting up straight, and pushing your shoulder blades together. Hold your arms as if you were reading a large book...Eh, it's hard to explain, but it helps with pulling horses. When he does pull, drive him forward with his aids. You have to try to make it uncomfortable for him to pull...
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:12 pm
for the mounting thing, when u go to mount him, and he move, RIGHT AWAY, kick ur foot out of the stirrup and back him up, meanly. make him back up fast and growl at him until he doesnt want to back up anymore and then make him back up more. youre aloud to poke him in the chest/sholder with ur thumr or whatever if he wont back up. if does that backing up thing, back him up more! until he doesnt want to and then go a little more! hell soon realize that there's no way around it. and if he tries to bite u, smack him! across the nostril/muzle is the best place. lots of people say this makes a head shy horse, but that wrong, being head shy comes from being bumped and smacked on the head for no reason or when the horse is comfused. if the horse is trying to bit u, he knows perfectly well what hes doing. if u ever watch horses in the paddock, when one goes to bite another, its often in the face and the other horse may even bite him back, but they'll still sniff and nuzzle after.
when ur on him and he rips the reins out of ur hand, yank him back in the mouth and wap him with ur legs or a stick. my horse used to do this even before i got on (while i was on the mounting block) so i would yank her in the mouth, growl and kick her in the ribs. it took about 2 weeks of this kind of stuff to go from dancing around the mounting block, ripping the reins from my hands, walking away before i was in the saddle, ...to standing still i mounted (on the block or from the ground) and staying perfectly still until i told her to go forward. she even lets me try and wiggle on bareback, lol, and stays still for it, haha, poor horse.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:49 pm
Brat: You can't be so violent and jerky with horses. You need to be more COMMANDING, such as instead of shoving him and yanking on him to back him up, stand tall, stare him in the eye, advance, and push steadily/pull back on reins while commanding in a demanding voice "back". If he bites, sure, give him a slap, but he probably wont because he'll be raising his head to get away from the pull of the reins.
As for his pulling the reins out - nonono, you don't yank on it. Yanking cuts the horse's mouth, bruises it, and scars the bars - no matter HOW gentle of a bit you have (besides rubber and rope, but I don't know anyone here who uses rubber or rope or leather). You pull the horse up and pull his nose in, giving him a tighter rein than he had before, but keeping him at his pace. After a while, let it go back to the way you normally have it, and if he yanks again: tighten it again. As for kicking/smacking/whipping afterwards... is that really necessary? I've always beleived that physical punishment should come LAST. Kicking the horse hurts it if you kick hard enough, and it's not that hard. Whipping it doesn't solve much on the head-end. giving a nudge with heels and squeezing your legs firmly are about all the ques you need to drive the horse forwards.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:45 am
My horse had a problem of walking off when i went to mount her, i just found a corner and stuck her nose into it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:54 pm
x.Marsh[mel]low.x Brat: You can't be so violent and jerky with horses. You need to be more COMMANDING, such as instead of shoving him and yanking on him to back him up, stand tall, stare him in the eye, advance, and push steadily/pull back on reins while commanding in a demanding voice "back". If he bites, sure, give him a slap, but he probably wont because he'll be raising his head to get away from the pull of the reins.
As for his pulling the reins out - nonono, you don't yank on it. Yanking cuts the horse's mouth, bruises it, and scars the bars - no matter HOW gentle of a bit you have (besides rubber and rope, but I don't know anyone here who uses rubber or rope or leather). You pull the horse up and pull his nose in, giving him a tighter rein than he had before, but keeping him at his pace. After a while, let it go back to the way you normally have it, and if he yanks again: tighten it again. As for kicking/smacking/whipping afterwards... is that really necessary? I've always beleived that physical punishment should come LAST. Kicking the horse hurts it if you kick hard enough, and it's not that hard. Whipping it doesn't solve much on the head-end. giving a nudge with heels and squeezing your legs firmly are about all the ques you need to drive the horse forwards. you should never look a horse right in the eye, especially when ur training them, thats something a preditor does. have u ever watched horses together in the paddock? if a lower horse walks up to another one and bites it, the lower horse is going to get kicked and bit up! we can NEVER hurt a horse as much as other horses hurt each other, and thats not the point anyways. if the horse is ripping the reins out of her hands, the horse is just going to keep doing it if u dont disiplin it for it. kicking a horse is a last resort but works really good because it get through to them because they understand it (they do it with each other all the time dont they?). besides, its not like u sock it to them with pointed boots and spurs, its more like a bump (well, its a kick if youre riding). u do it once if theyre really bad, and then they're good after.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:42 pm
A "no" and a firm pull on the reins will coax them out of the habit rather than force them out of it.
And yes, looking a horse in the eye is a challenge, of a sort... but not a "I'm going to kick the crap out of you". You look a horse in the eye any time, and depending on your pose, they will read different messages, but they won't panic or freak. They have it in their heads already, that you are the dominant figure (or you would not be there with tack on the horse) and will lower their gaze, knowing that you are dominant and you are challenging them, and in turn back off.
It's not a threat to kick the s**t out of them, it's a threat to back off or you might get stung.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:24 am
Brat: No, I agree with Marshmellow, you NEVER jerk it around because it's not listning. Looking a horse in the eye IS a challange, but more of a 'I'm the one in control here so you better pay attention' challange. Marshmellow know's what he's talking about, My parents have had our ranch even before I was born and every peice of advice I hear from him is very sensable in many ways.
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:34 pm
:pokepoke:. I'm a girl rofl
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:01 pm
xD Ahaha I'm sorry. I wasnt too sure, and was just taking a stab of what could be under your avatar xD
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:21 pm
rofl it's okay, I get it all the time.
but I'm too smart to be a man cool
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:36 pm
Soz havn't read all. Too lazy tonight.
First problem : Your horse races round probably coz he is scared. Are you gentle with him once riding ? Does the saddle fit him well ? Has he got a pain in his back or anywhere else ? He could be scared of having a painful experience so runs off to try and escape from it. It's hard to say just reading your words. This is a suposition.
Second problem : Disrespect. As you do not have enough strength I propose that every time he does that you go for about 10 minutes of intensive work straight after he pulled the reins off you ! Do that each time and he will end up associating the two things.
(Never show your horse the weak inferior strengh you have)
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:39 pm
barrelracer109 My horse had a problem of walking off when i went to mount her, i just found a corner and stuck her nose into it.
Probly coz everytime you (or others) got on walked straight off once sitting confortably. Just wait 1 or 2 minutes before walking off each time. Your horse will then know it's not worth walking off as your gonna stay put.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:10 pm
I have a kinda different but related problem. My horse seems to like to drag her nose in the dirt when I'm bridling her or trying to adjust her saddle or something. Is there a way i could stop her from doing that? Pulling her head up every time and telling her "NO" doesn't seem like it's working very well sweatdrop .
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