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Dorian Requiem

PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:41 pm


I'm open to any ideas you have (the don't have to be your belief) about how souls come to be, how physical matter came to be, and anything that relates to us.

You don't have to stick to things to do with us, but I don't know if the topic may get too big otherwise.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:47 pm


I've kinda been fond of "all is one, one is all". While not really speaking about the creation of such things, it kinda helps me see them better.

i see souls, hearts, body, spirit, etc as all part of what makes a person whoever he/she is. They are all connected, equal, the same, separate, and different at the same time. I guess I need to give it a bit more thought on how to word it correctly, and then relate it to how it came to be, and thus be actually relevant to the topic sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:07 pm


I kinda like the Hermetic creation story.

All things came from the One Thing by the meditation of One Mind, through the process of Transformation.

It's a bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:30 pm


All I can say is that the universe was created by a higher power or powers. Beyond that, nothing can ever be known.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:10 pm


hear, hear! or is it here here? to either extent, I think that that may be the first time I've ever heard you say that there is something that cannot be known (and thus, by proxy, it be something you are not going to try to figure out)

Although, from what I knw about you, I figure that you are going to try and figure it out anyways.

So, (I agree with what you said by the way), i've wondered about how it could be that a higher power would interact with our level of being (more along the lines of how rather than why). I've kinda wondered, is it possible that time be cyclic (a circle, starting anew where it ends), and perhaps at that one part is sort of like the doorway to... umm... God?

While it doesn't seem likely that there would be only one door throughout time, I've wondered if rather than making time cyclic, why not space or energy? maybe the presence of matter is cyclic and we are wrong when saying matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. maybe, even if the law abides, it can change its level of being.

maybe that stuff is sorta connected to the original creation or whatever. Then again, that kinda implies that we have done this all before, and perhaps the changes between what we do now and what we did last time is either a natural progression towards something, or it is insignificant.

ok, seriously, now I'm going to go catch up on my schoolwork.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:51 pm


Azuren740
hear, hear! or is it here here? to either extent, I think that that may be the first time I've ever heard you say that there is something that cannot be known (and thus, by proxy, it be something you are not going to try to figure out)


lolwut? Just because I decree it unknowable doesn't mean I won't attempt to know it (I'm stubborn like that lol).

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Although, from what I knw about you, I figure that you are going to try and figure it out anyways.


Oh, good call. =) (I reply as I read lol)

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So, (I agree with what you said by the way), i've wondered about how it could be that a higher power would interact with our level of being (more along the lines of how rather than why). I've kinda wondered, is it possible that time be cyclic (a circle, starting anew where it ends), and perhaps at that one part is sort of like the doorway to... umm... God?

While it doesn't seem likely that there would be only one door throughout time, I've wondered if rather than making time cyclic, why not space or energy? maybe the presence of matter is cyclic and we are wrong when saying matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. maybe, even if the law abides, it can change its level of being.

maybe that stuff is sorta connected to the original creation or whatever. Then again, that kinda implies that we have done this all before, and perhaps the changes between what we do now and what we did last time is either a natural progression towards something, or it is insignificant.


I once wondered if "God" was not perhaps some being that existed on a higher dimension, capable of interacting with ours. The 4th dimension is time itself, so it's not that far of a leap. However it would be like trying to explain depth to a 2 dimensional being, they have nothing to compare it to and have no way to understand it. A more real life example, explaining color to a man who's never seen. Likewise, we'd be incapable of understanding such things as "eternity" or the supposed "ubiquity".

I don't believe I understand your idea of cyclical matter.

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ok, seriously, now I'm going to go catch up on my schoolwork.


It's usually best to complete it. lol

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Azuren740

PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:22 pm


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Oh, good call. =) (I reply as I read lol)

see? I know you better than you think, remember, cheese ninjas, dude, cheese ninjas.

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I once wondered if "God" was not perhaps some being that existed on a higher dimension, capable of interacting with ours. The 4th dimension is time itself, so it's not that far of a leap. However it would be like trying to explain depth to a 2 dimensional being, they have nothing to compare it to and have no way to understand it. A more real life example, explaining color to a man who's never seen. Likewise, we'd be incapable of understanding such things as "eternity" or the supposed "ubiquity".

I don't believe I understand your idea of cyclical matter.

Well, I guess to best understand it, you'd have to lose the idea that an atom is made up of electrons, protons and neutrons. One person seemed to get what I meant by thinking of it as wavelengths; it goes back and forth from the positive to negative, right? Perhaps, it is something like that. There are many ways that I do not believe in science, and , in a weird way, evern though I think I am fair enough at science, I don't believe in things like atoms, etc. I see it as man's way of describing it, and they have found something that works, but I don't think it is right.

I see the atoms as the smallest observable portions of light and dark that is found in all things. confusing, I know. I can rationalize it all in my head, but I'm not quite the best at communicating it. It isn't that electons=darkness, rather electrons are just the energy aspects of the light and dark aspects.

ubiquity, that's from honda, isn't it? Seriously, I'm too lazy to look it up and act like I know, either too lazy or too honest, eh, same thing, I guess, lol.
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It's usually best to complete it. lol

well, heh, that is true. I really should be paying more attention to my classes, but I missed thursday's class so I don't really know where we are at anyways. Man, I don't understand, I only go to classes 3 days a week, I have 4 day weekends, and I still feel like I'm getting behind. dude, don't even get me started on how messed up my room and stuff is. But I've made a resolution: I only have three more swords to acquire until my collection is complete, but I won't buy anymore until I finish cleaning up and getting leveled out.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:36 pm


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I once wondered if "God" was not perhaps some being that existed on a higher dimension, capable of interacting with ours. The 4th dimension is time itself, so it's not that far of a leap. However it would be like trying to explain depth to a 2 dimensional being, they have nothing to compare it to and have no way to understand it. A more real life example, explaining color to a man who's never seen. Likewise, we'd be incapable of understanding such things as "eternity" or the supposed "ubiquity".

I belive that as well, many men belive in things that defy scientific law and are credited w/ being tru why not this theory?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:04 pm


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I once wondered if "God" was not perhaps some being that existed on a higher dimension, capable of interacting with ours. The 4th dimension is time itself, so it's not that far of a leap. However it would be like trying to explain depth to a 2 dimensional being, they have nothing to compare it to and have no way to understand it. A more real life example, explaining color to a man who's never seen. Likewise, we'd be incapable of understanding such things as "eternity" or the supposed "ubiquity".

I belive that as well, many men belive in things that defy scientific law and are credited w/ being tru why not this theory?


I'm not even sure it would defy science. It may simply exist outside of our realm of knowledge which, despite all of our self congratulations, isn't all that vast.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:07 pm


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I once wondered if "God" was not perhaps some being that existed on a higher dimension, capable of interacting with ours. The 4th dimension is time itself, so it's not that far of a leap. However it would be like trying to explain depth to a 2 dimensional being, they have nothing to compare it to and have no way to understand it. A more real life example, explaining color to a man who's never seen. Likewise, we'd be incapable of understanding such things as "eternity" or the supposed "ubiquity".

I belive that as well, many men belive in things that defy scientific law and are credited w/ being tru why not this theory?


I'm not even sure it would defy science. It may simply exist outside of our realm of knowledge which, despite all of our self congratulations, isn't all that vast.
well it is our scientific law only viable within our own dimension and those lesser then our own but obsolete to the next dimension

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Rookherst[KOS]

PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:24 pm


Kajitora
well it is our scientific law only viable within our own dimension and those lesser then our own but obsolete to the next dimension


Ignoring the Entirety of this Discourses, to focus on this bit:

Science is the study of things observable. Yes? Well Then Sciences itself is limited purely by the observation that is Capable.

For instance; Lets imagine our self as a Sentient Square. We Understand Length, and We Understand Width. Naturally the next step is Depth, but Our understanding of depth is wholly limited.

The laws of Length and Width only apply to Depth so far, and then a new set of laws take precedent.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:01 pm


hmm, I think that maybe it all sorta really depends on our frame of reference, for getting these things down.

Kinda like my response to your thread over in the other guild, you know, C.U.L.T. , the most awesomest supercool kawaii guild on gaia! (sorry, had to bump the name there, you understand)

But I think it all depends on what you define God capable of doing. Like you said, res, God would most likely work on an entirely different wavelength, and, much like many things in our world, would be incomprehensible.

I think that souls and such are along the same lines, working within boundaries and conditions that we'd need to meditate on further to comprehend.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:08 pm


WELL, THERE'S THIS THING CALLED THE BIG BANG... xd

I don't know yet. I want to finish reading A Brief History of Time. whee
PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:34 pm


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well it is our scientific law only viable within our own dimension and those lesser then our own but obsolete to the next dimension


Ignoring the Entirety of this Discourses, to focus on this bit:

Science is the study of things observable. Yes? Well Then Sciences itself is limited purely by the observation that is Capable.

For instance; Lets imagine our self as a Sentient Square. We Understand Length, and We Understand Width. Naturally the next step is Depth, but Our understanding of depth is wholly limited.

The laws of Length and Width only apply to Depth so far, and then a new set of laws take precedent.
exactly like the aspects of a dog understanding the elemental illusion called Color in a world of color blindness and yet to them color is something never to be expierenced and or explained to them. thats why i belive science and spirtual things should exist side by side because were one fails to answer the other may, thats why scientist that get upset at religion get on my nerves

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:43 pm


I strongly believe we are all products of evolution, our Darwinian heritage tracing back to one-celled organisms. As for the creation of the universe in which we exist, I am currently looking into the big-bang theory.
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