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Crown of Horns

PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:13 pm


I am willing to answer any bass related questions, technical (like bass guitar fix-ups and such) or theoretical (like music theory). There is nothing I won't answer.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:25 pm


ok you said you would answer anything
so here is a question:

I can't seem to get the notes memorized correctly on the frets and strings and such

any suggestive techniques? or something?

Disfunctionable


Escaflowne_11

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:17 am


Disfunctionable
ok you said you would answer anything
so here is a question:

I can't seem to get the notes memorized correctly on the frets and strings and such

any suggestive techniques? or something?


He took to long, Ill answer that razz

Just learn the first position frets first. That would be all the open notes all the way up to the 5th fret. Example....

(open)
G - Ab - A - Bb - B - C -
D - Eb - E - F - Gb - G -
A - Bb - B - C - Db - D -
E - F - Gb - G - Ab - A -

Then just learn some of the patterns you have. Get a good grasp on how notes go chromatically....

A - Bb - B - C - Db - D - Eb - E - F - Gb - G - Ab
Note that there is no Cb, of Fb. If you see them on sheet music they will be known as...
Cb=B or Fb=E.

Then learn your scales and their patterns. Also something for basses and guitarists, figure out the shapes and patterns each scale has... I illustrated them a while back. Ill post here...

First Ill show you the B flat Major scale.
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Take special note that in a major scale the most important notes you should remember is that there is the major 3rd and a major 7th.

Next is the B flat Minor Scale.
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Now note that there is a minor 3rd, and a minor 7th in this scale.

Next is the B flat Dominant 7th Scale
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This scale has a minor 7th and a major 3rd. It can be called other things in different situations, but if your aiming for jazz theory, its gonna be called the dominant scale.

If you were confused about any of the major/minor stuff, I also made a chromatic scale. This is also important to know because it runs all the notes of the bass in one scale.
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I dont have much more time, so the other guy can pick up where I left off if he wants to. If you have any specific questions, or more tips (cuz I have way more) Just PM me, or post another comment. I would be more than happy to help!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:26 am


i need help with tuneing

knight of chaos1


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:03 pm


knight of chaos1
i need help with tuneing



Just because im a bit lazy, this should help you with your tuning:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/bass_lessons/bass_guitar_tuning.html

and for an online tuner to tune your bass to:
http://activebass.com/
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:36 pm


Kyrenx
knight of chaos1
i need help with tuneing



Just because im a bit lazy, this should help you with your tuning:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/bass_lessons/bass_guitar_tuning.html

and for an online tuner to tune your bass to:
http://activebass.com/


That article dosn't teach much about harmonics, and it dosn't explain dissonance to well... No offense, but theres a lot more that people can use to tune themselves with.

Pitch harmonics are the easiest way in my opinion. I don't rely on them entirely because of the fact that they themselves are not in perfect tune, but its extremely close. Try doing this...

On the 5th fret, if you just touch the string over the fret, don't press it down at all, try plucking the string. If you do it right you will create a tone with it called a pitch harmonic. If you do the pitch harmonic on the 5th fret on your E string, it will duplicate the pitch of the next string. If you compare that sound with the sound of the harmonic on the 7th fret of the A string, you will find that they create an identical sound. That pattern follows crossed to the rest of the strings. Use that relationship with the harmonics to check your pitch. Now as for knowing if it is in or out of tune, experiment with sound a bit. Get a feeling for what "in tune" actually sounds like, and what happens with sound when it is out of tune. Ill make an image to explain pitch and frequency a bit... I have here an example of a solid generic sound. It would sound like a digitally produced kinda sound because of its shape, but the shape isnt whats important here with pitch. In this case it is the distance between the peaks of the frequency. Sound is displayed in waves, different shapes and sizes display different kinds of sounds. Here is an example of perfect intonation, and a set of tones that are out of tune...

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Take a look at the difference between the upper and lower set of lines. The upper is 2 pitches played together. It looks like one in this case because there is absolutely no discrepancy between the pitches. Perfect intonation!

In the lower pitches though... Way out of tune! The trick here is illustrated at the numbers. The two notes will sound close. The line that actually lags behind in the waves is in tune, and the one that is expanding is flat. Now how can we as listeners tell the difference? We obviously cant see these waves, but in exchange we can feel them! If you note that at point 1, the pitches are extremely close, but as we move out to point 2 the frequencies start to create differences, and at point 3 you can see that the points actually start to pass each other up! When the waves continue on they match up again! Now if you feel this it will actually create a pulse in the air. If you work with a drummer, get him to leave his snare alone with the snare activated. You will be able to hear that pulse of the frequencies moving in and out of tune in the snare. If you feel really hard though, you can feel that pulse in the air, and hear it as well.

NOW! To tune, your goal is to eliminate these pulses entirely. When you feel them slow down, you know your are moving in tune. If they speed up then you are moving further out of tune. Just take a string you are tuning (I usually move up from the E to the G) and just use those pitch harmonics to feel that pulse. Move your tuning peg till you think the pitches match up in your ear, then use that pulse trick to hone yourself into the (almost) perfect pitch. That should set you up!


Remember, the bass tuning goes from thickest to smallest,
EADG

Thats standard. There are variations, and other arguments about tuning, but thats the popular tuning system. Stick to that for now, then learn about others later!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:40 pm


Escaflowne_11
No offense, but theres a lot more that people can use to tune themselves with.


Oh, of course. I just like to keep things simple. biggrin
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:11 pm


Where could I go online to get good tabs or notes to songs?

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Raging-Bassist

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:54 am


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Where could I go online to get good tabs or notes to songs?


Ultimate-Guitar is a good place. But remember to check the comments and test the tab against the actual song before you write any of the tabs down or anything because not all are correct and there are usually several versions of a tab (different people tabbing the same song).

It's also a decent site for lessons and stuff like that.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:12 pm


Is the tuning BEAD better with heavy strings?

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