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 Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:23 am
 >> Only the blackest of hearts
The Supportive
- No matter the genders composing the relationship, love is love
- Prevents unwanted pregnancies
- Sex is sex, if people want to do it with their own gender, it's not anybody's place to judge
The Opposition
- Homosexuality does not produce offspring
- Homosexuality is believed to be a sin by some religions/religious leaders
- There is no "natural" way of having sexual intercourse
Those are the three general debates for each side, obviously you can go very indepth with them - but I'll leave that to you. State your point, have a good, friendly, debate, and have fun~
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:07 pm
I support it.
- It doesn't affect my daily life if they get married.
- Less likely, from what I know around here, to abuse a child. [Mind you, I said from what I know from around me.]
- Love is love.
- Prevents un-wanted pregnancies. There's too many people in the world already.
- Nothing is 'natural,' about any kind of sex. Some types are just more encouraged and others are more discriminated against.
[ mad My gran makes me mad. She doesn't support gay marriage because she believes it's not 'good for a child's psyche to grow up with gay parents,' and because, 'the child would not be properly loved!' domokun
How does a single mum or dad love their child?]
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:38 pm
i totally support it! my reasons are:
-love is love
-love should not be discouraged
-who cares whats in your pants or your shirt, if you love them you should be able to marry them!
-as long as theyre happy, thats all that matters
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:20 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
*nods* I support it too (probably because I am bisexual and have a bit of a homosexuality fetish...), but as a non-loving person, I have another outlook I'd like to propose on the situation:
Churches, they should not allow gay marriage.
Ship Captains, Judges, and other legal officials who do not affiliate themselves with a religion should allow gay marriage.
As I study psychology and philosophy, I do attempt to see things from other points of view, and I understand that, while I am against it, many religions see homosexuality as a bad thing.
Separation of Church and State - ring a bell, anybody? Marriage is nothing more then a legal contract stating legal taxing and property laws; that's it. Nothing more - nothing less.
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:24 pm
yeah, as i am bisexual as well i'm probably already biased towards thinking gay marriage sounds fine XD but trying to look at it in a detached manner, yeah youre right. legalilties are really all marriage is, it just happens to have certain stipulations like dont marry someone you HATE, marry someone youre in LOVE with, or all them legal things will just make your life hell.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:27 pm
Anime-himeRin yeah, as i am bisexual as well i'm probably already biased towards thinking gay marriage sounds fine XD but trying to look at it in a detached manner, yeah youre right. legalilties are really all marriage is, it just happens to have certain stipulations like dont marry someone you HATE, marry someone youre in LOVE with, or all them legal things will just make your life hell.
well, many people marry for money *coughs something that sounds like Anna Nicole Smith* although... that didn't really get her anywhere good... unless you like being dead.
There are arranged marriages that still occur, buisness marriages, and of course marriages arranged on a mutual money-sex agreement; marriage is, in the end, something that makes money matters easier; and for people who do love eachother; it makes taxing and child-raising easier.
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:31 pm
this is true.... though when taking your vows, wouldnt all of them be lies if you didnt marry for love? oh well, not my problem im in love with a girl anyway heart and as homosexual marriage is currently not allowed none of this concerns me 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:33 pm
Anime-himeRin this is true.... though when taking your vows, wouldnt all of them be lies if you didnt marry for love? oh well, not my problem im in love with a girl anyway heart and as homosexual marriage is currently not allowed none of this concerns me 3nodding
well, not everybody says vows... I don't think my parents said vows to eachother
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:34 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:38 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
*shrugs* I guess they're not necessary, actually - come to think of it, I don't think any of the married couples I know wrote vows for eachother... ... ... ... ... ... ... wait, I think Malicia and John might have, although they were fairly short.
Anyway, the point is that all of the stuff before the "I Do's" is mostly religious stuff, so many people don't have it read. I believe my parent's wedding was:
"Do you take this man to be your lawfully--------------------" straight up to "I now pronounce you husband and wife, you may kiss the bride" - Short, Simple, and to the point really...
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:51 am
im sorry but that, i dont agree with. if youre not going to say vows, as far as im concerned, you shouldnt be getting married. but thats just my opinion.
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:04 am
Anime-himeRin im sorry but that, i dont agree with. if youre not going to say vows, as far as im concerned, you shouldnt be getting married. but thats just my opinion.
Actually, to my knowledge, I don't believe every country (or perhaps it's just certain religions) HAVE wedding vows as a part of the ceremony at all... my parents are not Christian, they are athiests (and later on, my mother became a pagan - not sure if they have wedding vows, as I don't really know the structure of such a religion) so... as athiests, they felt no need to do any of the first hour of it all, and just went straight to the "I Do's"
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:12 am
well yeah i understand cutting out the religion part of it if you dont follow that religion but ive always been one to think that certain vows are really necessary. mind you, a lot of them are just a load of crap (and thus can be eliminated XD) but others i feel you really should vow to if youre going to really commit to the marriage
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:17 am
Anime-himeRin well yeah i understand cutting out the religion part of it if you dont follow that religion but ive always been one to think that certain vows are really necessary. mind you, a lot of them are just a load of crap (and thus can be eliminated XD) but others i feel you really should vow to if youre going to really commit to the marriage
*shrugs* Many people view the vows as an optional matter (be it because of their nationality, religion, or whatever) and some people only use them to make jokes in the middle of the wedding - my parents just didn't want to WRITE any vows, and so they couldn't be bothered to
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:36 am
Here is my opinion:
I support gay marriage, though I don't really care, since I'm straight and not the type to feel love - there is no one good enough unless he's the real-life version of an anime. 3nodding But aside from that... these are my reasons.
-- First of all, just as Alex said, Separation of Church and State! As America is (supposively) known for its religious freedom, they should be able to get married by a judge, even if not by a church. Being an atheist, I myself would not get married in a church even if I did decide to marry.
-- Next, how can anyone say who will love a child less?! First of all, define "love". I know it may sound cruel, but a parent is not required to love their child, only to feed, clothe, and house them. As long as the child's parents take care of them, and are somewhat kind, you've got yourself a happy child. Also, even if the child may recieve a lot of negative feedback from having same-sex parents, they could still love their family. Think about it, families with a lot of misfortune still care about each other. Why? Because even if all else fails, they still have each other or comfort and encouragement.
-- About wedding vows: no, you are not required to have them, and I would probably be against them for myself. I absolutely hate promises. If it's something important enough, like a buisness deal, put it in writing, you can't be held to a promise. I would quite like it if the vows just said "Do you take _____ to be your lawfully wedded _________?" Then a simple "I do" and you're married. In this retrospect, it's basically saying "I take this man/woman to be my lawfully wedded husband/wife until I get tired of this and want a divorce". Sadly, this is also how America works.
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