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moon_child113

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:45 pm


What are your views on homosexuality? What are your thoughts for or against it? Does the government in the US (or anywhere else for that matter) have the right to dictate whether or not you can marry the person that you love because they are the the same sex as you? Can you have a girlfriend (or if your male, a boyfriend) that you love and still self ID as strait? These are all socail problems that the world tries to ignore.

*this is a thread for INTELLIGENT dicussion so please keep the discussion INTELLIGENT. NO flaming, no preaching, keep it reasonable and friendly.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:16 am


In my opinion, there is no debate about homosexuality. If you like sleeping with people of your own sex then that's fine. I don't care if you sleep with girls or boys, it does not affect me and it shouldn't affect anyone else. Why people make such a big deal, I do not know. It's none of my business and it's none of theirs.

Emmanuela
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Badgerkin

Partying Shapeshifter

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:25 am


Woot, a new topic!
I don't know what you mean by:
moon_child113
still sel ID as strait?
sweatdrop I'm assumining it's either a typo or just me being thick. >.<
As for homosexuality, I have no problem with it. Gay couples should have the same rights to marry and adopt kids as straight couples. I do, however, have a problem with people being homophobic. mad Discrimination on the grounds of sexuality (or race, gender etc.) should not be tolerated.

This issue came up fairly recently on the news in the UK. The Government was trying to bring in legislation that adoption agencies should not be able to discriminate against gay couples during the selection process to find suitable parents for adoption. Some Catholic adoption agencies then started kicking up a fuss claiming they should have an exemption from the legislation on religious grounds and even threatening to close down their agency rather than consider gay couples for adoption. However, they lost the argument, and there will be no 'opt out' for them, although they won't have to start considering gay couples untill 2009 (If they do really choose to close down it will show that they don't really care about the children they are supposed to be trying to help...).
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:35 am


Badgerkin

This issue came up fairly recently on the news in the UK. The Government was trying to bring in legislation that adoption agencies should not be able to discriminate against gay couples during the selection process to find suitable parents for adoption. Some Catholic adoption agencies then started kicking up a fuss claiming they should have an exemption from the legislation on religious grounds and even threatening to close down their agency rather than consider gay couples for adoption. However, they lost the argument, and there will be no 'opt out' for them, although they won't have to start considering gay couples untill 2009 (If they do really choose to close down it will show that they don't really care about the children they are supposed to be trying to help...).


Hah, oh yeah "exemption from DISCRIMINATION laws". I'm sorry, any agency wishing to be exempt from a law against dscrimination should not be allowed. Yes, respect for beliefs but also respect for other people too.

Emmanuela
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Badgerkin

Partying Shapeshifter

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:39 am


Emmanuela
Badgerkin

This issue came up fairly recently on the news in the UK. The Government was trying to bring in legislation that adoption agencies should not be able to discriminate against gay couples during the selection process to find suitable parents for adoption. Some Catholic adoption agencies then started kicking up a fuss claiming they should have an exemption from the legislation on religious grounds and even threatening to close down their agency rather than consider gay couples for adoption. However, they lost the argument, and there will be no 'opt out' for them, although they won't have to start considering gay couples untill 2009 (If they do really choose to close down it will show that they don't really care about the children they are supposed to be trying to help...).


Hah, oh yeah "exemption from DISCRIMINATION laws". I'm sorry, any agency wishing to be exempt from a law against dscrimination should not be allowed. Yes, respect for beliefs but also respect for other people too.


Yeah it was kind of wacked. They were arguing for their 'right to discriminate' !? surprised I don't think it earned them much respect.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:49 am


Badgerkin
Emmanuela
Badgerkin

This issue came up fairly recently on the news in the UK. The Government was trying to bring in legislation that adoption agencies should not be able to discriminate against gay couples during the selection process to find suitable parents for adoption. Some Catholic adoption agencies then started kicking up a fuss claiming they should have an exemption from the legislation on religious grounds and even threatening to close down their agency rather than consider gay couples for adoption. However, they lost the argument, and there will be no 'opt out' for them, although they won't have to start considering gay couples untill 2009 (If they do really choose to close down it will show that they don't really care about the children they are supposed to be trying to help...).


Hah, oh yeah "exemption from DISCRIMINATION laws". I'm sorry, any agency wishing to be exempt from a law against dscrimination should not be allowed. Yes, respect for beliefs but also respect for other people too.


Yeah it was kind of wacked. They were arguing for their 'right to discriminate' !? surprised I don't think it earned them much respect.

Indeed, not that I have much respect for adoption agencies that refuse to talk to homosexual couples in the first place.

Emmanuela
Captain


Le Aristocrat
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:12 pm


I have no problem with homosexuality. They should have the same rights as anyone else, and that includes the rights to marry and adopt. In my opinion homophobia is the height of ignorance. I'm pro gay marriage.

Then again, I'm a liberal when it comes to nearly all controversial issues.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:46 am


Badgerkin
Emmanuela
Badgerkin

This issue came up fairly recently on the news in the UK. The Government was trying to bring in legislation that adoption agencies should not be able to discriminate against gay couples during the selection process to find suitable parents for adoption. Some Catholic adoption agencies then started kicking up a fuss claiming they should have an exemption from the legislation on religious grounds and even threatening to close down their agency rather than consider gay couples for adoption. However, they lost the argument, and there will be no 'opt out' for them, although they won't have to start considering gay couples untill 2009 (If they do really choose to close down it will show that they don't really care about the children they are supposed to be trying to help...).


Hah, oh yeah "exemption from DISCRIMINATION laws". I'm sorry, any agency wishing to be exempt from a law against dscrimination should not be allowed. Yes, respect for beliefs but also respect for other people too.


Yeah it was kind of wacked. They were arguing for their 'right to discriminate' !? surprised I don't think it earned them much respect.
They already have the right to descriminate - if they feel that a trait about one couple (such as an addiction to introvenous cleaning fluids that they believe help them speak to sexually aggrovated cat daemons) makes them less preferable for adopting children than another couple, they have the right to turn them down.

If they aren't given strict guidelines by the Government as to what does or does not constitute a suitable family, who the hell are the Government to be giving them orders? XD

Seriously, though - ask people now whether or not they are for Homosexuality and they'll all say how evil it is that people are descriminated against just because blah blah...

But 50 years ago, you go out and ask people whether or not they support homosexuality, and... well... you get the idea sweatdrop

So, I suppose I can only contribute the following;
1) I'm not really attracted to masculin things, and therefore am not homosexual myself.
2) I feel the urge to say that it shouldn't matter whether someone is homosexual or not.
Whether point 2 reflects what I've grown into Socially or what I feel deep down... I don't know!! XD

rugged


moon_child113

PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:23 pm


Badgerkin
Woot, a new topic!
I don't know what you mean by:
moon_child113
still sel ID as strait?
sweatdrop I'm assumining it's either a typo or just me being thick. >.<
As for homosexuality, I have no problem with it. Gay couples should have the same rights to marry and adopt kids as straight couples. I do, however, have a problem with people being homophobic. mad Discrimination on the grounds of sexuality (or race, gender etc.) should not be tolerated.

This issue came up fairly recently on the news in the UK. The Government was trying to bring in legislation that adoption agencies should not be able to discriminate against gay couples during the selection process to find suitable parents for adoption. Some Catholic adoption agencies then started kicking up a fuss claiming they should have an exemption from the legislation on religious grounds and even threatening to close down their agency rather than consider gay couples for adoption. However, they lost the argument, and there will be no 'opt out' for them, although they won't have to start considering gay couples untill 2009 (If they do really choose to close down it will show that they don't really care about the children they are supposed to be trying to help...).


Yeah well, good for the UK. One of the reasons that I brought it up is that Most of the States ban gay couples adopting and there are only 3 States where gay couples can marry and in my opinion that is incredibly corupt. The sad part is there are people who defend it. In America people defend the discrimination not only for religous reasons but also because they claim that a gay couple is not a "family" and they cannot provide a suitable enviroment for a child. There are also those who claim that growing up in a gay/lesbian household can have negative psychological effects on the adoptive child. Its so screwed up.

I am to John, so I understand biggrin
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:31 am


rugged
Badgerkin
Emmanuela
Badgerkin

This issue came up fairly recently on the news in the UK. The Government was trying to bring in legislation that adoption agencies should not be able to discriminate against gay couples during the selection process to find suitable parents for adoption. Some Catholic adoption agencies then started kicking up a fuss claiming they should have an exemption from the legislation on religious grounds and even threatening to close down their agency rather than consider gay couples for adoption. However, they lost the argument, and there will be no 'opt out' for them, although they won't have to start considering gay couples untill 2009 (If they do really choose to close down it will show that they don't really care about the children they are supposed to be trying to help...).


Hah, oh yeah "exemption from DISCRIMINATION laws". I'm sorry, any agency wishing to be exempt from a law against dscrimination should not be allowed. Yes, respect for beliefs but also respect for other people too.


Yeah it was kind of wacked. They were arguing for their 'right to discriminate' !? surprised I don't think it earned them much respect.
They already have the right to descriminate - if they feel that a trait about one couple (such as an addiction to introvenous cleaning fluids that they believe help them speak to sexually aggrovated cat daemons) makes them less preferable for adopting children than another couple, they have the right to turn them down.

If they aren't given strict guidelines by the Government as to what does or does not constitute a suitable family, who the hell are the Government to be giving them orders? XD

Seriously, though - ask people now whether or not they are for Homosexuality and they'll all say how evil it is that people are descriminated against just because blah blah...

But 50 years ago, you go out and ask people whether or not they support homosexuality, and... well... you get the idea sweatdrop

So, I suppose I can only contribute the following;
1) I'm not really attracted to masculin things, and therefore am not homosexual myself.
2) I feel the urge to say that it shouldn't matter whether someone is homosexual or not.
Whether point 2 reflects what I've grown into Socially or what I feel deep down... I don't know!! XD


I'm actually on favour of adoption agencies not being so picky about what constitutes a suitable family for a child. It seems to me that they pay too much attention to trivial things when they should be paying far more attention to very important things, like not placing children with adoptive parents who are likely to be violent or abusive towards them.

I mean, it's wierd that there's no criteria a person needs to fufil before having a child the traditional way yet smokers, older people, people with low incomes and single parents etc. are looked down upon in the adoption process, despite the fact that they may well make good parents, (I'm going on the assumption here that it's better for a child to be in a family than in a children's home)...

As for changing attitudes, although I don't think the current attitudes of society can be completly blamed for an individual's prejudices (there have always been independant thinkers ahead of their time) it certainly has a major role. If asked 200 years ago whether black people were second class citizens and inferior to white people most (white) people would have said yes... most people would also have said woman were inferior to men... Whereas today (I hope!) most people would say no, we are all equal...

In my opinion, as long as homophobia, racism etc, exists, there is a necessary place for people to stand up and challenge those prejudices, wherever they occur.

Badgerkin

Partying Shapeshifter


Badgerkin

Partying Shapeshifter

PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:48 am


moon_child113
Badgerkin
Woot, a new topic!
I don't know what you mean by:
moon_child113
still sel ID as strait?
sweatdrop I'm assumining it's either a typo or just me being thick. >.<
As for homosexuality, I have no problem with it. Gay couples should have the same rights to marry and adopt kids as straight couples. I do, however, have a problem with people being homophobic. mad Discrimination on the grounds of sexuality (or race, gender etc.) should not be tolerated.

This issue came up fairly recently on the news in the UK. The Government was trying to bring in legislation that adoption agencies should not be able to discriminate against gay couples during the selection process to find suitable parents for adoption. Some Catholic adoption agencies then started kicking up a fuss claiming they should have an exemption from the legislation on religious grounds and even threatening to close down their agency rather than consider gay couples for adoption. However, they lost the argument, and there will be no 'opt out' for them, although they won't have to start considering gay couples untill 2009 (If they do really choose to close down it will show that they don't really care about the children they are supposed to be trying to help...).


Yeah well, good for the UK. One of the reasons that I brought it up is that Most of the States ban gay couples adopting and there are only 3 States where gay couples can marry and in my opinion that is incredibly corupt. The sad part is there are people who defend it. In America people defend the discrimination not only for religous reasons but also because they claim that a gay couple is not a "family" and they cannot provide a suitable enviroment for a child. There are also those who claim that growing up in a gay/lesbian household can have negative psychological effects on the adoptive child. Its so screwed up.

I am to John, so I understand biggrin


That sucks. >.<
I have heard the argument about kids of gay parents being picked on at school, and that could be 'psycologically damaging'.
"OMG you have two Daddies - what a freak!" etc. stare
But I don't think it is really valid because kids at school will always find something to pick on and it means the bully has a problem, not the victim. I have a personal grudge against school bullies; I'd advocate a complete zero-tolerance of bullying policy in schools.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:09 am


Badgerkin
I'm actually on favour of adoption agencies not being so picky about what constitutes a suitable family for a child. It seems to me that they pay too much attention to trivial things when they should be paying far more attention to very important things, like not placing children with adoptive parents who are likely to be violent or abusive towards them.

I mean, it's wierd that there's no criteria a person needs to fufil before having a child the traditional way yet smokers, older people, people with low incomes and single parents etc. are looked down upon in the adoption process, despite the fact that they may well make good parents, (I'm going on the assumption here that it's better for a child to be in a family than in a children's home)...
Yeah - I mean, I don't really have any direct experience with the Adoption Services (thankfully), but from what I know of our social system they'd have to resort to ticking boxes at some point because of how many people they'd be dealing with (there's no way they'd have enough staff to look deeply into the parenting abilities of every single applicant), so it makes sense that we'd be seeing people with specific "undesirable traits" being put down...

I'm not sure what really can be done about it though - judging whether or not someone will be a good and reliable parent is difficult to do in alot of circumstances.

Badgerkin
As for changing attitudes, although I don't think the current attitudes of society can be completly blamed for an individual's prejudices (there have always been independant thinkers ahead of their time) it certainly has a major role. If asked 200 years ago whether black people were second class citizens and inferior to white people most (white) people would have said yes... most people would also have said woman were inferior to men... Whereas today (I hope!) most people would say no, we are all equal...
They'd also, if asked about ***** or rapists, most likely have alot of violent and provocative ideas of what should be done with them.
If we can say that people who can't help which gender they're attracted to shouldn't be hated for what they are, it's hypocrisy not to extend that to other people who can't control themselves.

Whilst it's likely that the idea that such people should be recieving proper psycological help instead of a violent retribution would be very dangerous for someone to have in our current political climate, I can't help but think that sometime in the future people will be looking back on us now in disgust.

Hell, what's everyone's opinion on people who like bestiality?

"Arrgh, that's just ******** perverts"
"grab you torches and pitch forks!!!"

You see?

Just like before, we call ourselves a perfect, enlightened society, but we still bias ourselves against those who can't help what they do or who they are.

It's always been like that and probably always will be - we base our morals around the common Social Views of the time, so if they are against a specific type of person... well...

What I mean is, 50 years ago, WE would have been racist.
200 Years ago (must as I hate the idea sweatdrop ) I would probably have been sexist.

Perhaps, then, we should learn not to hate people who "descriminate" against others, but to appresciate that they can't help what they've been taught to believe.


Yes, it's true that there is no place for active ***** or rape or what-have-you in our society, but surely by our own logic we should be out to help the people unfortunate enough to be addicted to such distinctly antisocial activities, not out to destroy them?

Badgerkin
In my opinion, as long as homophobia, racism etc, exists, there is a necessary place for people to stand up and challenge those prejudices, wherever they occur.
Well, rightly so, but at what cost to themselves?

Usually, these people are never popular at the time, even though they're often celebrated after their deaths for fighting for what the next generation believes in.

rugged


Angelo de Musica

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:28 am


I think even if you are gay you should have the rights to marry, adopt, and be seen in public with a boy/girlfriend or spouse in public. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's wrong. The government doesn't seem to think so though...
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:53 pm


there is no difference from straight or gay couples!

i dont think someone should have to "come out" to their family or the public!

those are my small but wonderful thoughts!

o_0 Emo Kid 0_o
Crew


Le Aristocrat
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:12 am


Titania Von Doom
there is no difference from straight or gay couples!

i dont think someone should have to "come out" to their family or the public!

those are my small but wonderful thoughts!


You fight society, Ella! You fight it good!
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