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 Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:37 pm
This issue has been one that has hit me quite hard for a while. (Especially since some of my friends have had abortions) The two biggest question both sides of this argument face are:
.When is a fetus technically a human?
.Is it murder?
.What would be a good reason to get an abortion/Are there any good reasons?
I'll start this one:
In my opinion a fetus is a human right when it first starts to develop, and I personally think people say "fetus" to ignore the fact that it is a baby. And killing somebody (No matter if they were born or not) is still murder, there should be no questions there. But the argument I hear tthe most is:
"It's the woman's body and she has the right to choose."
For starters the "fetus" HAS it's own body. Doesn't that sound like the woman is trying to deny that? Secondly no one should have to right to play God; no matter what the circumstances are the child deserves to live, and they deserve to decide where their life will go. (That includes possiblities like the child being the product of rape and/or incest).
The child could grow up and lead a very productive life, no one knows until they see the child grow.
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:56 pm
A fetus is a human and it has a soul. So yes it is a human. That baby inside of a woman's body was placed their by God. Some say that the woman has the right to choose whether she should deliver that child into the world or deny it the chance of having a life. But personally, my view is that a baby should not be denied the right to be born. It has been placed their and has hopes of leading lives just like all of us. It is helpless and so depends on the mother to ensure he/she is properly developing.
Abortions are taken for granted. I think that women should only take abortions if she is somewhat unhealthy and having the baby may be a threat to her life or the babies. But I am still against that view. But some cases are understandable. Women go on a frenzy where they have sex, like its some kind of game. Pleasuring themselves and murdering babies at the same time. Popping pills and killing babies. It's wrong. And they should put an end to it.
As to victims of rape. I'm sure they won't want to bear the pain of carrying the child of a man who has abused her body and left her emotionally shattered. And so they take abortions. But it is still very wrong. And should not be encouraged. The baby can be put up for adoption, or the person charged with raping the woman, take custody of the child.
Teenagers, who frequently have sex and get pregnant should not abort the child. They know the consequences of having sex and so shall bear them. Some may not be able to support a child and so they think that an abortion is the answer to that problem. You have been given a gift from god and I personally think that you should bring that baby into the world.
Most people think that the baby isn't a baby until it is delivered. But it's merely growing into a beautiful baby that one should not deny bringing into this world.
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Samurai_Warrior_FoX Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:13 pm
The word abortion is a flowered word does not show the meaning of what actually happens in the process of it.  The other pictures i wish to post cannot be post due to a violation of the rules, but they can be found here: http://www.mttu.com/abort-pics/index.html Abortion isn't an escape from your mistakes by unwilling getting pregnant. It has become so wide spread that anyone can have an abortion at will and this is what sickens me.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:12 am
the only time i think abortion is right is when it could kill the mother. and i know this is weird but if you were raped and got pregnant but then you should have taken the morning after pill which stops you from being able to get pregnant that way. but i believe that if you were raped and had the rapists child then when they ask who there daddy is what are you going to tell them? unless you lie to them but then if you know the turth that lil childs real father was someone that took advantage of you. so think that memory would still haunt someone. but for any other reason its stupid. but thats my beliefs anyways.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:32 pm
green_sparkles44 A fetus is a human and it has a soul. So yes it is a human. That baby inside of a woman's body was placed their by God. Some say that the woman has the right to choose whether she should deliver that child into the world or deny it the chance of having a life. But personally, my view is that a baby should not be denied the right to be born. It has been placed their and has hopes of leading lives just like all of us. It is helpless and so depends on the mother to ensure he/she is properly developing.
Abortions are taken for granted. I think that women should only take abortions if she is somewhat unhealthy and having the baby may be a threat to her life or the babies. But I am still against that view. But some cases are understandable. Women go on a frenzy where they have sex, like its some kind of game. Pleasuring themselves and murdering babies at the same time. Popping pills and killing babies. It's wrong. And they should put an end to it.
As to victims of rape. I'm sure they won't want to bear the pain of carrying the child of a man who has abused her body and left her emotionally shattered. And so they take abortions. But it is still very wrong. And should not be encouraged. The baby can be put up for adoption, or the person charged with raping the woman, take custody of the child.
Teenagers, who frequently have sex and get pregnant should not abort the child. They know the consequences of having sex and so shall bear them. Some may not be able to support a child and so they think that an abortion is the answer to that problem. You have been given a gift from god and I personally think that you should bring that baby into the world.
Most people think that the baby isn't a baby until it is delivered. But it's merely growing into a beautiful baby that one should not deny bringing into this world. You are extremely narrow-minded if you assume that all people here believe in God. Please refrain from using religion as a source for this debate. Fetuses are helpless? Yes, this could also be translated as leeching off women for nutrients 3nodding So are you saying that if a couple does not want a child that they should not have sex at all? This thinking is extremely unrealistic and very absurd. Teenagers should know the consequences? If they do everything right and take all forms of birth control, and still get pregnant, then they should have to force the parasite out their v****a a few months later? That's terrible. A baby should not be a punishment. You say it's a baby, yet this reference to "a consequence" is one of the most dehumanizing comments I've heard a pro-lifer say. mad I would be ashamed. A fetus, which is the correct term for it, cannot think, feel, or have emotions. It is UNCONSCIOUS! It can't feel pain. It doesn't even know it exists and it couldn't care less if it were to live or not. neutral You just said that abortion was only okay in certain situations. You're not truly pro-life then. Make up your mind. confused All fetuses are potentially life-threatening to the mother. It's a woman's life you are dealing with here, and there is a risk of death, in ALL pregnancies. Samurai_Warrior_FoX: Please cut the crap and spare us from the emotional propaganda. That's only late term abortions. Alan Guttmacher The only recent national breakdowns on abortions after 20 weeks are from 1992; according to AGI, some 320-600, or under 4/100ths of 1% of all abortions, are performed in the third trimester." 4/100ths of 1%? You have a much higher chance of dying from childbirth. Sadly, no one cares about your morals and real debates are based on truth. To you and Green Sparkles: NOT EVERYONE THINKS A BABY IS A GIFT.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:26 pm
Not a gift? So then these people must think of it negatively to have a child, or do they think of it as a "task?" some thing they have to do because they are human? Please enlighten me Emu Feather, I love to see the view of others from their eyes creates a wider picture of the situation. Emu Feathers A fetus, which is the correct term for it, cannot think, feel, or have emotions. It is UNCONSCIOUS! It can't feel pain. It doesn't even know it exists and it couldn't care less if it were to live or not. This is good to read., it's neutral to the current argument. and doesn't seem to favor and side of this debate. You are right that debates are based on truth but it is also made up of he view of others and you really don't expect everyone to be right? Then there would be no reason to debate over topics would there?
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Samurai_Warrior_FoX Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:37 pm
Emu Feathers green_sparkles44 A fetus is a human and it has a soul. So yes it is a human. That baby inside of a woman's body was placed their by God. Some say that the woman has the right to choose whether she should deliver that child into the world or deny it the chance of having a life. But personally, my view is that a baby should not be denied the right to be born. It has been placed their and has hopes of leading lives just like all of us. It is helpless and so depends on the mother to ensure he/she is properly developing.
Abortions are taken for granted. I think that women should only take abortions if she is somewhat unhealthy and having the baby may be a threat to her life or the babies. But I am still against that view. But some cases are understandable. Women go on a frenzy where they have sex, like its some kind of game. Pleasuring themselves and murdering babies at the same time. Popping pills and killing babies. It's wrong. And they should put an end to it.
As to victims of rape. I'm sure they won't want to bear the pain of carrying the child of a man who has abused her body and left her emotionally shattered. And so they take abortions. But it is still very wrong. And should not be encouraged. The baby can be put up for adoption, or the person charged with raping the woman, take custody of the child.
Teenagers, who frequently have sex and get pregnant should not abort the child. They know the consequences of having sex and so shall bear them. Some may not be able to support a child and so they think that an abortion is the answer to that problem. You have been given a gift from god and I personally think that you should bring that baby into the world.
Most people think that the baby isn't a baby until it is delivered. But it's merely growing into a beautiful baby that one should not deny bringing into this world. You are extremely narrow-minded if you assume that all people here believe in God. Please refrain from using religion as a source for this debate. Fetuses are helpless? Yes, this could also be translated as leeching off women for nutrients 3nodding So are you saying that if a couple does not want a child that they should not have sex at all? This thinking is extremely unrealistic and very absurd. Teenagers should know the consequences? If they do everything right and take all forms of birth control, and still get pregnant, then they should have to force the parasite out their v****a a few months later? That's terrible. A baby should not be a punishment. You say it's a baby, yet this reference to "a consequence" is one of the most dehumanizing comments I've heard a pro-lifer say. mad I would be ashamed. A fetus, which is the correct term for it, cannot think, feel, or have emotions. It is UNCONSCIOUS! It can't feel pain. It doesn't even know it exists and it couldn't care less if it were to live or not. neutral You just said that abortion was only okay in certain situations. You're not truly pro-life then. Make up your mind. confused All fetuses are potentially life-threatening to the mother. It's a woman's life you are dealing with here, and there is a risk of death, in ALL pregnancies. Samurai_Warrior_FoX: Please cut the crap and spare us from the emotional propaganda. That's only late term abortions. Alan Guttmacher The only recent national breakdowns on abortions after 20 weeks are from 1992; according to AGI, some 320-600, or under 4/100ths of 1% of all abortions, are performed in the third trimester." 4/100ths of 1%? You have a much higher chance of dying from childbirth. Sadly, no one cares about your morals and real debates are based on truth. To you and Green Sparkles: NOT EVERYONE THINKS A BABY IS A GIFT.Fetuses are helpless? Yes, this could also be translated as leeching off women for nutrients. YOU MADE IT SOUND SO BAD So are you saying that if a couple does not want a child that they should not have sex at all? This thinking is extremely unrealistic and very absurd. This is not unrealistic. Ever heard of "abstinence" well how's about that. Or they can use condoms. I never said condoms can not be considered. If you can avoid it, GREAT. You can't be thinking "o yea I'm on birth control pills, lets have sex everyday" Teenagers should know the consequences? If they do everything right and take all forms of birth control, and still get pregnant, then they should have to force the parasite out their v****a a few months later? That's terrible. You know it would be terrible. sex=baby. With that in mind, expect to get pregnant. You just said that abortion was only okay in certain situations. You're not truly pro-life then. Make up your mind. icon_confused.gif All fetuses are potentially life-threatening to the mother. It's a woman's life you are dealing with here, and there is a risk of death, in ALL pregnancies. What i meant was, in cases where the woman has some sort of disease that in the process of giving birth to the child could die or the baby be infected. Yes in all pregnancies : It's a woman's life you are dealing with here, and there is a risk of death, in ALL pregnancies. Most woman live through it. To this comment: NOT EVERYONE THINKS A BABY IS A GIFT. I'll respect someone's view where they don't think a baby is a gift. But I am entitled to an opinion. So are you.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:38 pm
grandkinglink the only time i think abortion is right is when it could kill the mother. and i know this is weird but if you were raped and got pregnant but then you should have taken the morning after pill which stops you from being able to get pregnant that way. but i believe that if you were raped and had the rapists child then when they ask who there daddy is what are you going to tell them? unless you lie to them but then if you know the turth that lil childs real father was someone that took advantage of you. so think that memory would still haunt someone. but for any other reason its stupid. but thats my beliefs anyways. thats sort of my point too.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:41 pm
green_sparkles44 Fetuses are helpless? Yes, this could also be translated as leeching off women for nutrients. YOU MADE IT SOUND SO BAD So are you saying that if a couple does not want a child that they should not have sex at all? This thinking is extremely unrealistic and very absurd. This is not unrealistic. Ever heard of "abstinence" well how's about that. Or they can use condoms. I never said condoms can not be considered. If you can avoid it, GREAT. You can't be thinking "o yea I'm on birth control pills, lets have sex everyday" Teenagers should know the consequences? If they do everything right and take all forms of birth control, and still get pregnant, then they should have to force the parasite out their v****a a few months later? That's terrible. You know it would be terrible. sex=baby. With that in mind, expect to get pregnant. You just said that abortion was only okay in certain situations. You're not truly pro-life then. Make up your mind. icon_confused.gif All fetuses are potentially life-threatening to the mother. It's a woman's life you are dealing with here, and there is a risk of death, in ALL pregnancies. What i meant was, in cases where the woman has some sort of disease that in the process of giving birth to the child could die or the baby be infected. Yes in all pregnancies : It's a woman's life you are dealing with here, and there is a risk of death, in ALL pregnancies. Most woman live through it. To this comment: NOT EVERYONE THINKS A BABY IS A GIFT. I'll respect someone's view where they don't think a baby is a gift. But I am entitled to an opinion. So are you. "Leeching" and "parasite" are actually the proper scientific terms. "Baby" is the emotionally exaggerated term. I think abstinence is a wonderful idea. Unfortunately, not everybody does. But if a married couple doesn't want a baby, they should never have sex? The purpose of sex is NOT just to procreate. neutral God gave you a clitoris. Condoms are even less effective than birth control. Even in all combinations, nothing is 100% effective. If a teenager isn't properly educated, and has sex and gets pregnant, your line of thought is "LOL YOU HAD SEX SO NOW YOU HAVE TO GO THRU 9 MONTHS OF PREGNANCY AND HUMILIATION YOU STUPID WHORE!!11!! Again, a baby should not be a punishment. Yes MOST women live through it. That's not the point. The point is, women die, and you care more about a wad of cells than you do about the mother. Yes I'm certainly entitled to my own opinion and so are you. That wasn't my opinion though. I want kids. Those are other women's opinions that you have failed to recognize.
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:09 am
Emu Feathers green_sparkles44 Fetuses are helpless? Yes, this could also be translated as leeching off women for nutrients. YOU MADE IT SOUND SO BAD So are you saying that if a couple does not want a child that they should not have sex at all? This thinking is extremely unrealistic and very absurd. This is not unrealistic. Ever heard of "abstinence" well how's about that. Or they can use condoms. I never said condoms can not be considered. If you can avoid it, GREAT. You can't be thinking "o yea I'm on birth control pills, lets have sex everyday" Teenagers should know the consequences? If they do everything right and take all forms of birth control, and still get pregnant, then they should have to force the parasite out their v****a a few months later? That's terrible. You know it would be terrible. sex=baby. With that in mind, expect to get pregnant. You just said that abortion was only okay in certain situations. You're not truly pro-life then. Make up your mind. icon_confused.gif All fetuses are potentially life-threatening to the mother. It's a woman's life you are dealing with here, and there is a risk of death, in ALL pregnancies. What i meant was, in cases where the woman has some sort of disease that in the process of giving birth to the child could die or the baby be infected. Yes in all pregnancies : It's a woman's life you are dealing with here, and there is a risk of death, in ALL pregnancies. Most woman live through it. To this comment: NOT EVERYONE THINKS A BABY IS A GIFT. I'll respect someone's view where they don't think a baby is a gift. But I am entitled to an opinion. So are you. "Leeching" and "parasite" are actually the proper scientific terms. "Baby" is the emotionally exaggerated term. I think abstinence is a wonderful idea. Unfortunately, not everybody does. But if a married couple doesn't want a baby, they should never have sex? The purpose of sex is NOT just to procreate. neutral God gave you a clitoris. You know what. They know if they have sex the chances are that the woman would get pregnant. There's always timing your period. That method works. Condoms are even less effective than birth control. Even in all combinations, nothing is 100% effective. Condoms aren't effective. As rubber isnt small enough, the sperms are even smaller and they penetrate through the condom. As for the pills they don't work for everyone. If a teenager isn't properly educated, and has sex and gets pregnant, your line of thought is "LOL YOU HAD SEX SO NOW YOU HAVE TO GO THRU 9 MONTHS OF PREGNANCY AND HUMILIATION YOU STUPID WHORE!!11!! Again, a baby should not be a punishment. If they know how to have sex i think they know that you get a baby after 9 months if you get pregnant. There isn't any big scientific explanation they have to know. It's quite simple, even for an uneducated person. Yes MOST women live through it. That's not the point. The point is, women die, and you care more about a wad of cells than you do about the mother. I never said i care more about a wad of cells than the mother. I most certainly care about the woman that die through labor. Millions of babies are born everyday. And most of those women are okay. That does not mean i care more about the fetus. Yes I'm certainly entitled to my own opinion and so are you. That wasn't my opinion though. I want kids. Those are other women's opinions that you have failed to recognize. I may sympathise with them but i'm surely going to disagree with the fact of being selfish enough to abort a child. When the woman is 100% healthy, can support the child and is just afraid of commitment. As for other cases, I may just understand.
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:03 pm
grandkinglink the only time i think abortion is right is when it could kill the mother. and i know this is weird but if you were raped and got pregnant but then you should have taken the morning after pill which stops you from being able to get pregnant that way. but i believe that if you were raped and had the rapists child then when they ask who there daddy is what are you going to tell them? unless you lie to them but then if you know the turth that lil childs real father was someone that took advantage of you. so think that memory would still haunt someone. but for any other reason its stupid. but thats my beliefs anyways. i also think that if you didn't want the baby at all then that's another time you could abort the pregnacy...but i wouldn't have a rapists child ever...that's just wrong...i would want my baby to know the father...not lie about who the father is...but i agree with grandkinglink
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