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 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:59 pm
 >> Only the blackest of hearts
Right, to start it off, I will use the WIKIPEDIA definitions of the words
Good: There is no consensus over whether or not either goodness or evil are intrinsic to human nature. The nature of goodness has been given many treatments; one is that the good is based on the natural love, bonding, and affection that begins at the earliest stages of personal development; another is that goodness is a product of knowing truth. Differing views also exist as to why evil might arise. Many religious and philosophical traditions agree that evil behavior itself is an aberration that results from the imperfect human condition ("The Fall of Man"). Sometimes, evil is attributed to the existence of free will and human agency. Some argue that evil itself is ultimately based in an ignorance of truth (ie. human value, sanctity, divinity). A variety of Enlightenment thinkers have alleged the opposite, by suggesting that evil is learned as a consequence of tyrannical social structures.
Neutral (non-wiki): Free of bias; indecisive
Evil: In religion and ethics, Evil refers to the morally objectionable aspects of the behaviour and reasoning of human beings — those which are deliberately void of conscience, and show a wanton penchant for destruction. Evil is sometimes defined as the absence of a good which could and should be present; the absence of which is a void in what should be. In most cultures, the word is used to describe acts, thoughts, and ideas which are thought to (either directly or causally) bring about affliction and death — the opposite of goodness, which itself refers to aspects which are life-affirming, peaceful, and constructive. Perhaps evil is best represented in the human situation in the form of unprovoked hatred against and coupled with an aggressive impulse to cause harm to another person or group (ie. sadism). Such hatred can be aroused from within the individual or group through jealousy, wrong teachings or due to unexplained extra-personal forces.
Indifferent (not-wiki): Not caring either way, similar to neutral - but less caring...
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:11 pm
"There is no good or evil; there is only power, and those who wish to seek it."
- Lord Voldemort (Harry Potter, Book 1)
I agree with his theory. I don't believe that good and evil are things to be decided, but more of an opinion. For instance, any group can be seen as evil if they are against you, though they may be viewed as heros by the people who support them. There is no line between good an evil; it's just one big gray area, while some areas are darker or lighter than others. The same goes for right and wrong. What makes something 'right', the fact that person can explain their reasons for doing what they did? If that were the case, then everyone could, in perspective, be able to proove themselves right unless faced by someone with a better arguement. Despite this, I do believe in actions that nothing good can come from, although I believe in much less circumstances where only good can come out of it. Good, of course, meaning an outcome to the individual's liking.
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:39 pm
>> Only the blackest of hearts
*nods* Yeah, I do believe that concept - I would like to quote another fictional character to whom we both love (although you to a lesser extent, as you haven't really played his game).
Squall: Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us. Both sides blame one another. There's no good or bad side. Just two sides holding different views.
It is all opinionated ~ usually based off of religion, but for athiestic people... I suppose it is entirely personalized opinions. I myself am probably considered "evil" by the masses, but hell - as far as I am concerned I am a good person... my views just differ from those of the majority.
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:46 pm
Same here, and I love that quote. Squall is totally right. 3nodding And once again, we have reached a standby where our opinions are the same, and thus there is nothing left to debate. Now we wait for the others (or Rin) to say something we might be able to debate. I think we enjoy just stating our opinions, if anyone opposses us or not.
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:34 am
*enters debate* *reads previous posts* nope, i got nothin... i totally agree with you guys. yes, there are actions where only good or evil can come out of it, but for the other 98% of things its totally opinions.
i guess no matter where you stand, though, the basic layout is this:
bad/evil=whoever is against you for whatever reason
good=those who support you for whatever reason
neutral=those who dont give a f*** and usually can see the flaws behind the supposed "good" and "evil" sides.
speaking of fictional characters.... theres REALLY no good or evil there, sometimes the protagonist of the story is actually evil XD so really, there IS good and evil. we just have no right to label things as such for anyone but ourselves, as others may hold different views on it.
oh, and i agree with Squall.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:38 am
>> Only the blackest of hearts
Yeah... most of my protagonists aren't really "good" people... half of them only really care about humanity because they are a part of it, so if it is destroyed... they get destroyed. I think it is a bit more then 98 percent, because really... there are some f-ed up people in this world, it is pretty hard to find ANY situation that EVERYBODY sees as a malefactor.
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:39 am
yeah i know what you mean~ i only even GAVE it a 2% leeway for 1% good and 1% evil XD i know there arent many, but they each deserve 1%.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:46 am
>> Only the blackest of hearts
Actually, I can't think of ANYTHING that isn't a malefactor/benefactor to SOMEBODY. Like the cure for cancer - some people happen to think cancer is a divine illness (very, very, very few people - but I have heard of these whack-jobs) and destruction of all humanity - well... I am a prime example of somebody who would pretty indifferent to that matter.
Can feel the purest of love <<
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:48 am
well maybe YOU cant think of anything, but that doesnt mean there ISNT anything. im sure there are a few. just very very few.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:04 pm
I'm rather indifferent. I don't think there's any good or evil. It's just morals. Guess who put the morals in the mouth? Religion; but this belongs in another debate, I believe.
"Indifference is the most awful thing in the world, Armand." - Albert, from The Birdcage. Good movie- and I just felt like quoting.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:36 pm
>> Only the blackest of heartsGood movie... and yeah, I am fairly indifferent.
PARADOX THEORY FOR RINA:
If you are a person who WANTS things to be a malefactor to them, then it is a benefactor to them - for this is what they desire, however - when something beneficial happens to them, it becomes a malefactor - since they wanted benefactors... but in both cases, by becoming the opposite, they oppose what their original intent was - and now must reverse again, creating a never ending cycle. Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:42 am
oooooooh i like that!!! whee you know i love paradoxes!!! thats brilliant! it makes total sense, too! but yeah, i suppose if you think about it it IS true....
but on the subject of good and evil, there ARE still, i say, a few things in this world that must be just good or just bad. though with the kinds of people in this world today, i may be wrong.... cuz, y'know, things we here may assume all think are good there may be one psycho in australia or korea or even in our own hometown that thinks differently. strange people, straaaange people....
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:11 am
>> Only the blackest of heartsYeah – I love paradoxes, we need a paradox thread somewhere – but I don’t think there is any really good place to put it… maybe Education or just throw it in the “Chatterbox/Main Forum” for the hell of it… you can decide. Anyway, I am trying to think of SOMETHING that would be maleficent to, as proven by the above paradox, no matter what I think of – I can always think of a person who would gain something from it… I feel like there must be something though – yet there just doesn’t seem to be anything. Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:55 am
its so annoying, i know what you mean.... it really feels like there SHOULD be something, doesnt there? but i guess the human mind is incapable of coming up with something. however there cant be NOTHING... oh and ill go make a paradox thread somewhere.... maybe the word games forum, since paradoxes ARE like word games.
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:20 am
It's impossible to define malefactors and benefactors, seeing as they would be different for each person, like in the paradox. I normally just classify them as benefactors/malefactors for each individual. I can't even seem to think of one situation where, if you considered everyone even somewhat involved, there would be only a good or bad outcome. If half the world gets blown up, there will always be someone on the other half cheering. I am proud to call that someone my best friend.
((Alex, you know you would.))
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