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Kulshedra

PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:17 pm


It has been theorized that what happened on September 11, 2001, the destruction of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, was actually planned by the government. I've been doing research both for and against the idea, so I know quite a bit about the happenings. As this thread progresses, I'll throw in interesting facts for you to digest.

First fact: The Spanish-American War was started when the Spaniards attacked and sank an American ship, resulting in the death of many men on the ship, and many men during the war. It was later discovered that the attack was actually by Americans, not Spaniards. In other words, the American government decided to destroy one of their own ships and murder their own people, to start a war with Spain. So, if 9/11 was government-planned, it wouldn't have been the first time it actually happened.

Thoughts?

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If you have any doubts in the facts I bring up, just say so, and I'll dredge up all the sources I can manage.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:30 pm


I can't really add to many thoughts on this (Fact wise), but it is my persona believe that this was not a Purely governmental Ploy, but one that was spurred by the Real powers in the world.

The Corporations, and the Bilderberg Group.

Rookherst[KOS]


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:37 pm


If the government did do it, it would certainly not be the first time. However I highly doubt that they did. Any hand they had in it would be more akin to Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:01 pm


So the general census so far is that it wasn't the government, then, correct?

Kulshedra


Kulshedra

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:49 pm


Amendment to first post, so you all know.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:36 pm


Kulshedra
So the general census so far is that it wasn't the government, then, correct?


No, I posits that government was not the soul Backing of the attack, they were coerced into the action by outside influences.

Rookherst[KOS]


Lotus Requiem

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:23 pm


Well now we certainly do have some fascinating new guild members blaugh

Although I pretty much do agree with everything that has been said.

Just for the actual sake of debate and an interesting discussion why don't we also focus on some of the other rumors revolving around 9/11?
I'm rather sure that the majority would belive that it was not the governments fault, atleast not for the twin towers.

rofl ninja
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:39 pm


I've seen some pictures that seemed to show something attached to the underside of one of the planes. I think that whole expose was done in a Spanish newspaper, actually.

I've also heard some things about some Israeli jets, but all of it is probably hearsay.

It didn't personally affect me so it's just kind of history to me. Terrible, but not something I worry too much about.

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Kulshedra

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:13 pm


Whether or not the government is fully behind it is still an uncertainty here, it seems, but I myself am without any doubt that there was foreknowledge that both the Pentagon and the Twin Towers would be hit by planes. Here's some more facts:

Fact Two: The Pentagon had been practicing drills just a little while previous to 9/11, specifically concerning their response time and effectiveness if a plane were to crash into it. I may be exaggerating this next bit, but I'm fairly certain that the Pentagon was actually doing the drills in the event of a plane crashing into the same wall that was crashed into.

Fact Three: The owner of the Twin Towers (forgive me, his name seems to have escaped me at the moment) made an 800 million dollar insurance policy, specifically in the case of a terrorist attack by airplane. The Twin Towers cost about 300 million to make, and so the crash essentially just handed him about 500 million dollars. (I don't know about you guys, but the word 'bribery' comes to mind.)

Fact Four: A 'put option' is essentially a stock in a company, but different, in that it's basically betting that the company's stock will drop in value. So, if you made a put option in a business, you are saying that somehow that company's stock will drop in value, and you gain money from this value drop. Put options in American Airlines rocketed only a few days previous to 9/11.

Keep in mind, there are still far more facts to go, and these are only the three off the top of my head concerning foreknowledge of the attacks.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:58 pm


Does anyone here doubt that the government did it? I'm not saying they're unintelligent if they do, but is there anyone here that fully believes it was entirely terrorists, and the conspiracy theories that it was all the government is utter bull?

Kulshedra


Kulshedra

PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:55 pm


I'm somewhat surprised that this thread didn't bring up a lot of responses. But, then again, maybe most people don't really have strong opinions on it, as it doesn't involve them. When you think about it, we are all involved in it, as it could result in many catastrophic things.

Ah, well, not up to me if no one wants to debate about a potentially corrupt and morally stripped government.

Here's a different question, though: why do you think the government would be so willing to kill its own people in order to start more killing? I've actually discovered proof for another plan that the Secretary of Defense put forth, which was made to sabotage one of our own military bases and frame some other country or group.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:17 pm


Kulshedra
why do you think the government would be so willing to kill its own people in order to start more killing?


Naturally, it depends on the situation. Probable cause is money or power though. Who knows? Perhaps they simply decided the US needed a bit of spice in its life.

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Lotus Requiem

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:00 pm


The Resurrection
Kulshedra
why do you think the government would be so willing to kill its own people in order to start more killing?


Naturally, it depends on the situation. Probable cause is money or power though. Who knows? Perhaps they simply decided the US needed a bit of spice in its life.


A few good reasons

Money and power are most likely true for this case and also.
In certain situations this creates fear and since fear has become a factor the people start to rely more on the government and they believe in their country etc etc.

Really dealing with all the rumors and themes going on i pretty much think thats just for money or as others say to impress daddy.
well in america anyways
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:05 pm


I was thinking that the reason is simply that this is America, and that's how the American government works.

My reasoning was that America wasn't a country, was just a bunch of colonies that didn't have much importance in the world beyond commerce and just being there, as a sort of placeholder for the British. We got pissed, and said we want to be our own country, and when we beat the most powerful country in the world at the time, we probably felt extremely good because of it. Then, through the courses of history (taking over the rest of now-American lands, beating the Indians, beating back the Mexicans, defeating Britain a second time, etc., etc.), America became more powerful, when we used to be somewhat insignificant. We became the absolute most powerful country in the world, no longer just an abused extension of what used to be the most powerful. I think it gave us a huge sense of pride, and caused us to feel like we could do anything. I think we felt like we had to take the weight of the world on our shoulders, like if there was anything wrong with the world, we should deal with it ourselves, and the other countries were simply assistance. Or, as in certain other cases, we must lend our assistance to make sure the other countries succeed in fighting back 'evil' countries (communists, Nazis, fascists, etc.).

I suppose those would be some very controversial statements, and I haven't fully thought them out myself, but that's the foundation blocks of the idea.

Thoughts?

Kulshedra


Kanti 3000

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:53 pm


Rookherst[KOS]
I can't really add to many thoughts on this (Fact wise), but it is my persona believe that this was not a Purely governmental Ploy, but one that was spurred by the Real powers in the world.

The Corporations, and the Bilderberg Group.
I agree, I haven't studied this enough to be able to truly wiegh in on the debate, however from what I've seen it would seem that while it may not have been the hand of our government behind the attack, it was certainly spurred one by certain world powers (the corporations and the bilderberg group, as Rookherst said).
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