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 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:48 am
Life's a dance you learn as you go
Sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow (I had this in a different guild but I wanted to see what the members of this guild thought about this) Now, I am an Atheistic/LaVeyan Satanist. I don't worship the devil as a god and I don't believe in god either. I believe I am my own god and that I am in charge of my life. I also believe that the 7 sins are not sins at all. I believe in living life to the fullest so partaking in the 7 sins can help. Now like any good religion, there are flaws (and I am basing this off of what I have learned over time). People who do believe in god (Christians, Muslims etc...) believe that the 7 sins are in fact deadly and ultimatley bad for the body. Take lust for example. I believe that lust keeps us reproducing and yes can make us happy. However, a Christian for example, may say that lust leads to disloyalty and if push comes to shove, an STD. Which can be true, it may cause the person to cheat on his or her partner. Well, my point of view is that some people do have a moral concsiuos (sp?). Some people know the difference between right and wrong. I ultimatley believe that it's in the person's head. If the person knows what he/she wants, then that person will go out and accomplish it. If the person truly loves his/her partner then neither of them will cheat. Some religious believers, however, believe that indulging in life is bad because some one will usually get hurt in the process. Take greed for example. I think greed is just when you want something more that you already have so envy will push you to get more of it. Well, others think that being selfish is wrong and hurtfull to others and that you should just have enough to live comfortably. My opinion is, working hard to abtain more of something is very different than being selfish. There are many things that I want that I don't really need but that doesn't make me selfish, I still care about others and I love to help out. Anyways, I want to leave a lot of open room on discussion so I was just wondering, what are your point of veiws on all this. What do you think about the 7 deadly sins. What is your opinion on what I have written (there is still a lot I want to write but I want to see some responses first) Don't worry about what you don't know
Life's a dance you learn as you go
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:39 pm
Ignorance is not... Bliss.
So fed up with the Second best,
Our time, Is here and now.
Your philosophy on life is quite noble, I must say.
I do agree that the "7 deadly sins" are quite... well... phony. And yes, the Christians and Muslims and such have it right, where yes, they CAN lead to such negative consequences. However, if you have moral, and know right from wrong, then these "7 deadly sins" are not bad things. If I remember right, in the satanic bible, Anton LaVey states that without greed, there is no such thing as ambition. ( quote please? My SB isn't present at the moment sweatdrop )
In this Sea of Mediocrity,
I can be anything,
Anything I want to be.
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:45 pm
Thank you 4laugh
And yes, I agree with you about knowing from right and wrong. I don't, however, think that the 7 sins are completely phony, I feel fine participating in them as long as I keep my morals alive. I have always taught to be helpful to others when I can and I was always brought up knowing the difference between right and wrong. So I will indulge in life but I would never go to far to hurt myself or some one else unless if it were an enemy, then that's a different story.
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:27 pm
well as far as the "7 deadly sins" go, Anything in excess can be harmful.
And as Satanists, we are supposed to be more logical, so of course its ok to indulge, but you do so within reason. And that is different for every person and only they can decide what that thresh hold is.
Of course we have moral consciouses, everyone does.
However "committing" most of the 7 deadly sins are simply folkways rather than mores.
*Folkways as described by sociologist William Graham Sumner are the patterns of conventional behavior in a society. They are the unquestioned conventions and habits learned from childhood. Generally conformity to folkways is insured by gentle social pressure and imitation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkway
*Mores are Norms that have strong moral significance, violation of which cause strong social reaction (murder, sexual molestation of children).
www.elissetche.org/dico/M.htm
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:22 pm
[Beautiful Oblivion] Thank you 4laugh And yes, I agree with you about knowing from right and wrong. I don't, however, think that the 7 sins are completely phony, I feel fine participating in them as long as I keep my morals alive. I have always taught to be helpful to others when I can and I was always brought up knowing the difference between right and wrong. So I will indulge in life but I would never go to far to hurt myself or some one else unless if it were an enemy, then that's a different story.
Ignorance is not... Bliss.
So fed up with the Second best,
Our time, Is here and now.
Hmmm.. yea, like, I was raised to be respectful of others rights and freedoms, and to rebel against the unjust ( I come from an.... unconventional family, lets just say that sweatdrop )
But yea as long as you have good morals ( and I don't mean by society so-called standards... ) We will all get along, too bad only a few of us in society see it that way...
In this Sea of Mediocrity,
I can be anything,
Anything I want to be.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:21 pm
Infernal King [Beautiful Oblivion] Thank you 4laugh And yes, I agree with you about knowing from right and wrong. I don't, however, think that the 7 sins are completely phony, I feel fine participating in them as long as I keep my morals alive. I have always taught to be helpful to others when I can and I was always brought up knowing the difference between right and wrong. So I will indulge in life but I would never go to far to hurt myself or some one else unless if it were an enemy, then that's a different story.
Ignorance is not... Bliss.
So fed up with the Second best,
Our time, Is here and now.
Hmmm.. yea, like, I was raised to be respectful of others rights and freedoms, and to rebel against the unjust ( I come from an.... unconventional family, lets just say that sweatdrop )
But yea as long as you have good morals ( and I don't mean by society so-called standards... ) We will all get along, too bad only a few of us in society see it that way...
In this Sea of Mediocrity,
I can be anything,
Anything I want to be.
Exactly...too bad
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:55 am
There is absolutely nothing wrong with indulging in life, and yes, some people are bound to get hurt along the way, yourself included! But that's just how life is, pain and suffering are a part of life and are the antithises of the good things you can experience. There's nothing wrong with life, but you have to learn how to live with moderation because excess can be dangerous. It is the truly wise and self-controlled person who can transcend his natural desires, learn to control them, and still get what he wants.
As for the seven deadly sins, they're complete bullshit and are nowhere present in the Bible. They were actually invented by the Pope much later in the Middle Ages, and anyone can tell he picked basically everything that makes us human to call "deadly sins". The message here is that people are naturally bad and everything people naturally want to do is bad. Ofcourse as Satanists, we don't believe this.
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:20 pm
Not all Christians believe that the Seven Deadly Sins are deadly no matter what. While some believe that to partake in any of the Seven Deadly Sins at all is bad, my father who is a Christian sees it differently.
The way he sees it is they are only deadly if taken past a certain point. Like for instance Pride. He believes that it is fine to take pride in yourself and your accomplishments. They only time he sees it being bad is if you take it to the point of being so proud that you believe that you are better than everyone else.
Or like lust. Its okay to look at a beautiful woman and think "Damn is she pretty, beautiful, sexy, etc" as long as you dont act on the feelings if you are already committed to someone else.
He would never admit it, but he has some very satanic views on stuff.
Anyway, more to the point. I believe, like my father, that the sins are deadly (or in our case, just detrimental) if they are taken past a certain point.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:18 pm
I agree with the general opinion, and add that one should remember the Satanic tenet; Indulgence, NOT compulsion! Life is meant to be lived without self-imposed abstinence. Seek pleasure and desires unto contentment, then rest in complete satisfaction.
Ave Satanas!
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:01 pm
Alesha Eternal Not all Christians believe that the Seven Deadly Sins are deadly no matter what. While some believe that to partake in any of the Seven Deadly Sins at all is bad, my father who is a Christian sees it differently. The way he sees it is they are only deadly if taken past a certain point. Like for instance Pride. He believes that it is fine to take pride in yourself and your accomplishments. They only time he sees it being bad is if you take it to the point of being so proud that you believe that you are better than everyone else. Or like lust. Its okay to look at a beautiful woman and think "Damn is she pretty, beautiful, sexy, etc" as long as you dont act on the feelings if you are already committed to someone else. In the Christian context, the seven deadly sins refer to excesses only. For example, if lust included all desire, Christians would never have any children. But lust does include sins of thought--that is, if you imagine yourself having sex with someone, that's the same as if you actually did it. Jesus himself said this. Alesha Eternal He would never admit it, but he has some very satanic views on stuff. Well, technically you have some Christian views on stuff. After all, we were here first. Alesha Eternal Anyway, more to the point. I believe, like my father, that the sins are deadly (or in our case, just detrimental) if they are taken past a certain point. So do Christians, we just set the bar a little higher.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:20 am
Pardon me french, but double-U Tee Eff!!
The Seven Deadly Sins (lust, greed, gluttony, avarice, et cetera.) are what make up a human being's foundation of their personality and way of thought. It is not, by any means, wrought to be pushed aside like some feared and unknown group of "sins". Going onto the topic of what a sin is: Sin has been given that rather grotesque and robust name because of fear and rebellion against man's true nature. Through this idea, Satanists are able to recognize and subjugate what these "sins" are for their own enlightenment and benefit. We do not deem to be purely selfish and careless. But, we DO NOT undermine the fact that selfishness is, indeed, needed for growth and advancement. This is where limiting one's way of doing things comes into attention. Everything in excess is bad and decadent -- It is foolish to KILL someone rather than mentally torturing them. It is foolish to PROCLAIM something which you, yourself, can't even begin to comprehend ( VenusSatanas and IGOREZA stare ). But most of all, it is by the farthest extent of FOOLISHNESS that one would truly regard self-preservation and bettering one's self, mentally and physically, as a so-called bloody, ******** sin!!
The Council hath spoken.
HAIL SATAN
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:23 pm
 Sorry for the long absence everyone sweatdrop . Thank you all for the great response's. I do understand that the 7 deadly sins are what makes us human. I have always believed this to be the case....but at the same time, we also have the choice to act upon it or not. Yeah, we are capable of murder and rape, but we are also capable of making our own decisions and choices agaisnt murder and rape and what have you.
I know for a fact I have emotionally hurt other and whether it was on accident or on purpose, doesn't matter. That just goes to show that I am capable of hurting others. Does that mean I am a horrible b***h with no morals. No. Does that mean I am able to murder someone and be completley fine with it? ******** No. I could never live with myself if I turned into a murderer or something equally wrong....like a child abuser or rapist or something along those lines.
Some children bully other children, and yes it isn't very nice to see, but maturity usually comes with age. When they get older, sometimes they will change. But that just shows that they have the ability to be cruel but also have the ability to choose whether to be cruel or not.
Sorry, I sorta went off topic sweatdrop 
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:24 pm
Uranimus There is absolutely nothing wrong with indulging in life, and yes, some people are bound to get hurt along the way, yourself included! But that's just how life is, pain and suffering are a part of life...
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:15 am
Here's part of the problem with the Seven Deadly Sins as they are. Most of them involve excess to begin with, yet have been taken in this day and age to be slippery slope ends to people's actions. Every single one is a miniature treatise on the potential for someone to become so attached to worldly things as to estrange themselves from YHVH, yet now they're preached as "don't worry about buying a nice dress, that's Pride! Don't ask for a raise, that's Greed!" from the pulpits of those who enjoy duping and narcotizing the masses. Strange as it may sound, the Seven as they are originally termed could be split from theology and turned into The Seven Dumbass Signs. Let's see how the Seven Deadly Sins become signs that someone has regressed so far into a particular behavior that it has become necessarily self-destructive: Greed: Those who worry so much about their paycheck that they forget to have a life to spend it on will soon pass to an early, expensive, forgotten grave.Gluttony: That eighth bucket of KFC Extra Tasty Crispy isn't doing you any good. Now you're out of breath going up a step. While you're at it, your dog needs food. Toss it a ******** drumstick, you selfish fatass, before you're on the next episode of Animal Cops.Pride: That's nice that your makeup is finally perfect and your dress is finally draped the way you want it, and that everyone you know is going to see how hot you are. You've been spending so long preening that the bars have closed. Sure, looking pretty is great, but there's a fine line between self-image and spending all your time in front of the mirror.Lust: Say hi to gonosyphiherpaloids for me, since you just couldn't keep it in your pants long enough to wonder about that "rash" your partner for the hour had down there. Even worse - you've gotten so stupid about it that you've started shitting where you eat, and now every person you'd want to screw within twenty miles is looking at you like unexploded ordinance.Wrath: Congratulations. You just broke your fingers...on someone else's face. Your cellmate doesn't mind about your STDs. He has a few new ones to give you, too.Sloth: You're not enjoying life. You're enjoying a ******** room. Or we could go with the original meaning (the sin of sadness), and end it with "Cheer up emo kid".Envy: You're not getting the whole "indulgence" thing, are you? If you always want what someone else has, do you ever actually enjoy what you do have? Aquinas and later twisters of Scripture aside, the Seven Deadly Sins were ways of showing a person that they had become so tied to their worldly life they had rejected the grace of God. From a Satanist standpoint, indulgence is the way to enjoy life, but over-indulgence can be self-destructive. Self-destructive behaviors lessen enjoyment, therefore they cannot be useful. Hence, the Seven Deadly Sins, Satanically speaking, are points of reference by which someone can say "Well, I'm enjoying X but am I enjoying anything else?" Hence, looking at it from an "enjoyable indulgence" standpoint, getting laid responsibly - even a one night stand - can be a good thing. Hitting that bowl tonight and chilling to some trance? Awesome. Have an extra slice of cake. Spend a couple extra minutes making sure your tie or makeup or hair look absolutely perfect. Get that damn promotion and spend it to get that car you've always wanted that Bob across the street has, the jerk. Someone throws a punch at you at the bar tonight? Deck him. Calls you an idiot? Give him a string of vulgarities so thick he could swim in it. Be mindful of the consequences, or else you're stupid. Look before you leap, sure, but if the water looks fun, dive in.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:31 pm
i see the 7 deadly sins as the label for what people see as negative. I also see the sins as something that defines a person. a thing not to remove but to cherish as long as you don't go to excessive like someone had talked about gluttony and eating more then you should.
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