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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:08 am
Ok. See I happen to know a lot about the supernatural, past occuriences..things like that. I also happene to be reincarnated as a very powerful goddess. Yeah, I know it sounds crazy. But I even have her same memories, and everything. I don't think of us as two people in the same body but bonded together as one. Hell, her husband, or rather my first life husband is my boyfriend right now who I've been madly in love with since the age of 11. However... I have a problem here. People seem to think they know it all. That they know every single little thing about the supernatural and that it is explainable. That science proves all things and if it cannot be proven then it is false. I say that to say this. That's frankly a bunch of bull. There are more then one realms on this planet alone forget every single one. Will we ever know them all? In my opinon, Hell No. I believe in the Gods and Goddesses, because of my reign as one of them it's highly easy for me to find the others who have been put on this realmn. Thus I have no religion whatsoever. But we will never know everything on the supernatural or paranormal. It's like this giant conspiricy. Say whatever you want but make sure the "normals" don't know about it. I think that all our myths, and legends are real. For a fact I happen to know many of them are. However, that doesn't mean it happened that EXACT way. I think sometime long ago, the gods decided people were getting too close. So they implanted things in some people brains. Some part of it real so we would always know them, and the rest of it fake. Like Atlantis. You will never be able to find all the Gods and Goddesses of Atlantis. Did the place really exsist, I believe so. Hell they say they've found ruins in the Agean Sea. But don't you know it is inpassible down there? You can only go so far, and what do you think is down there at the really really deep parts? Things that the natural human mind can't even possible conceieve. I don't know if this will turn into a debate so I'm keeping it on the main forum until it does or doessn't. However I want to know people's opinons on this.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:15 am
Angel No More I also happene to be reincarnated as a very powerful goddess. Exactly which goddess is this? Angel No More That science proves all things and if it cannot be proven then it is false. Yes, but most people are idiots and fail to realize that "reality" is a relative thing at best. Angel No More I think that all our myths, and legends are real. For a fact I happen to know many of them are. More than a few have traceable roots back to every day phenomena and were simply blown way out of proportion through countless retellings. Angel No More Hell they say they've found ruins in the Agean Sea. That would prove Atlantis was the Minoan civilization on the island of Crete and not some super advanced civilization as some like to claim. It would have been a fair bit advanced compare to its mainland neighbors.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:00 am
The Resurrection Exactly which goddess is this? Athena The Resurrection Yes, but most people are idiots and fail to realize that "reality" is a relative thing at best. True but most things can not simply be explained which most people also fail to realize. Once they try to explain it an achieve a pleasable answer, they ask more questions, along with more and more. The Resurrection More than a few have traceable roots back to every day phenomena and were simply blown way out of proportion through countless retellings. Agreed The Resurrection That would prove Atlantis was the Minoan civilization on the island of Crete and not some super advanced civilization as some like to claim. It would have been a fair bit advanced compare to its mainland neighbors. Yes however people who go there, at least when my mother did they will tell you it is Atlantis. Not the Minoan civilzation. And to try and prove this they explain something of I believe it is Platos. Which is confusing at best, and hides the location of the actual place perfectly.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:00 pm
When did Athena die? /How/ did Athena die?
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:23 pm
to me the path that we chose and the craft we practice is in the realm of the unknowable in that you will never know it all and our simple human laguage cannot wrap itself around these phenomenon to be told.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:19 pm
Mitsh When did Athena die? /How/ did Athena die? When, if you're looking for an actual time I don't know. How...is actually a quite tragic story. She got married to a vampire. They were very young when they fell in love and their love bonded them in a way know one could ever break. Not just like, the bond you see all couples have. But a spiritual bond. They could read each other's thoughts, see through the eyes of each other, feel what the other was feeling, down to their spirit was almost as if it were one. When she became married to him, there was another man Camula. He wanted her, rather lusted after her but..she wasn't in love with him. Camula could take people's souls, their identies..their everything. Him being jealous that she did not choose him..not even a day after the wedding...he snuck in and attacked her husband. He also stole half of her husband's soul...and since they were so bonded. He stole half of her's as well. She got Camula to go away, being known mostly as the Goddess of War...(Although she is the goddess of War, Creativity, and Healing), you can figure out how that happened. Her husband was dying..you can't just steal half of someone's soul and then...expect them to still stay alive. So she was going to kill herself so they could be reincarnated..together, in the next life. When she went to go stab herself however, he twisted her wrist and plunged the knife into him. After..all of this, she spent her days in her temple, lonely and withdrawn. Zeus as always had a great compassion for her, tried to help but...nothing would change the fact that he wasn't their anymore. Although her BODY was still alive, her spirit was lost. Half of it with Camula, the other half trying to protect her husband, trying to get him reincarnated and her aswell. They finally reincarnated him..and her. Yet, they refused to allow the two together. Athena's spirit came down into my second life body and tried to make her see the person she was marring wasn't who she really loved. The Fates didn't like this..and wouldn't reincarnated Athena again. Finally they did. Into me, someone who could match Athena. Which was needed to get all the souls out of Camula's body, and to kill him. Thus...you see..although that may confuse you guys. Athena is not really dead. She's a goddess, very hard to kill a war goddess. Her body is still in her temple, and her spirit travels there aswell. But mostly our powers, our essences, our souls..they are all one.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:37 pm
If you are not even going to go into how stupid it is why even post that? Unless you are looking for an argument.
(This is in no way a challenge just a simple question about why you felt the need to post that.)
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:10 pm
Angel No More Ok. See I happen to know a lot about the supernatural, past occuriences..things like that. So where did you aquire this knowledge? Was it from books, personal experience, or the teachings of a particular religion? Is it possible to get some of the titles of the books if that's where you got your information. It seems to me we all have such different definitions, I like to know where the vocab is coming from. Quote: I also happene to be reincarnated as a very powerful goddess. Which One? Ah, Athena. I didn't know she had died in any of her mythology. Oh wait: Angel No More When, if you're looking for an actual time I don't know. How...is actually a quite tragic story. She got married to a vampire. They were very young when they fell in love and their love bonded them in a way know one could ever break. Not just like, the bond you see all couples have. But a spiritual bond. They could read each other's thoughts, see through the eyes of each other, feel what the other was feeling, down to their spirit was almost as if it were one. When she became married to him, there was another man Camula. He wanted her, rather lusted after her but..she wasn't in love with him. Camula could take people's souls, their identies..their everything. Him being jealous that she did not choose him..not even a day after the wedding...he snuck in and attacked her husband. He also stole half of her husband's soul...and since they were so bonded. He stole half of her's as well. She got Camula to go away, being known mostly as the Goddess of War...(Although she is the goddess of War, Creativity, and Healing), you can figure out how that happened. Her husband was dying..you can't just steal half of someone's soul and then...expect them to still stay alive. So she was going to kill herself so they could be reincarnated..together, in the next life. When she went to go stab herself however, he twisted her wrist and plunged the knife into him. After..all of this, she spent her days in her temple, lonely and withdrawn. Zeus as always had a great compassion for her, tried to help but...nothing would change the fact that he wasn't their anymore. Although her BODY was still alive, her spirit was lost. Half of it with Camula, the other half trying to protect her husband, trying to get him reincarnated and her aswell. They finally reincarnated him..and her. Yet, they refused to allow the two together. Athena's spirit came down into my second life body and tried to make her see the person she was marring wasn't who she really loved. The Fates didn't like this..and wouldn't reincarnated Athena again. Finally they did. Into me, someone who could match Athena. Which was needed to get all the souls out of Camula's body, and to kill him. Thus...you see..although that may confuse you guys. Athena is not really dead. She's a goddess, very hard to kill a war goddess. Her body is still in her temple, and her spirit travels there aswell. But mostly our powers, our essences, our souls..they are all one. I'm going to be honest here, and I don't mean to be offensive, but I just don't exactly believe this account. Here is why. 1. Athena was never young. She came out of Zeus' body full grown. In one account she is released by Hera after Zeus complains of a head ache. I another account. Metis makes her a helmet and axe while inside Zues and Hephaestus uses the axe (Minoan) to cut them out. In all accounts though, Athena comes into the world as an adult. 2. I don't think that vampires were part of Greek mythology. I definately could be wrong, but in my very limited Greek mythology, I can't recall coming across one. If vampires existed, I'm sure there was a different name for them. Also I don't think there is any reason for Athena to be involved with vampires at all, so it would make little sense, that even if these creatures were in Greek mythology that Athena would be around one long enough to fall in love. 3. I don't think Greek Mythology has this spiritual bond in it either. The closest that comes to this is Orpheus and Eurydice's love where after Eurydice's death Orpheus is so hurt that he goes to the Underworld to retrieve her. This still isn't a spiritual bond though. 4. Admittedly I don't like the idea of a "spiritual bonds" either. They seem fairly negative to me, but meh, I like my independence. That someone could do this isn't out of the realm of possiblilty, but it isn't within the highly probably either. 5. There is no mention of Athena being married, and it doesn't seem to make much sense that Athena would get married, given her general mythology. 6.I've never heard of Camula before. He is not mentioned in any Greek mythology, let alone any that pertains to Athena. In fact the only thing I got off of him was a direct link to Yu-Gi-Oh from Wikipedia. Which while I can't find any direct mention to Camula makes sense as your description of Camula does sound like something righto out of Yu-Gi-Oh. 7. I find it odd the Goddess of Wisdom couldn't figure out what Camula was up to or, you know, stop him. She managed to stop Hephaestus from raping her, she was one of Are's greatest rivals on the battle field due not only to her strength but her crafitiness and this guy, who isn't even a God beat her out. 8. While Athena is known for her skill in war, she is much more than a Goddess of War and infact the primary war diety is Ares, as the Goddess incarnate I'd assume you'd know all about this though. 9. We would have heard of Athena's marraige and of her withdrawn period and there are no myths to correlate to that. Actually the withdrawn stage especially would have been a big deal to her many many followers. 10. So which temple is her body at? 11. That makes you an avatar, if anything, which for the reasons above I doubt as your story not only doesn't make a lot of sense, but doesn't line up with Athena. Maybe you are a Goddess incarnate, but it is highly doubable that you are Athena's incarnate. Quote: Yeah, I know it sounds crazy. But I even have her same memories, and everything. Which why you know that while Athena was know for her battle prowess it wasn't her primary skill....oh wait, it seems you forgot that small detail along with others. Quote: I have a problem here. People seem to think they know it all. You are also claiming to "know it all". You make claims on a certain truth too. I don't expect you to change your mind on your truth, nor should you expect to change my mind on mine. We can agrue points and facts, but the end of the day since your claims are experience based and I lack your experience, if you know written history, science, or some other more objective factor isn't on your side then you can't expect others to believe you, especially if any one of those factores works more in favor of their truth than yours. Quote: That they know every single little thing about the supernatural and that it is explainable. That science proves all things and if it cannot be proven then it is false. Science doesn't really prove anything in past lives, energy manipulation and what not. There are theories that science seems to be more predisposed to than others, but as a whole any one who claims science 100% backs them is full of BS. Still there are scientific indications of some things over others and I do believe science could one day prove or disprove such things. I just don't think it can now. I know you have more that you wanted comments on, but honestly, it got a little ranty for me. So this is my opinion based off what I thought was comment worthy. Darin Rosewood Umm... wow. That is THE Fluffiest thread I've read in about six months. I won't even go into how stupid this is. You realize how unhelpful and assholish this sounds right? I mean you have nothing backing your assertion. There is no point in insulting just to insult. Either lend to the conversation or choose not to post, but don't insult the op and leave without saying anything else.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:55 pm
blindfaith^_^ 2. I don't think that vampires were part of Greek mythology. I definately could be wrong, but in my very limited Greek mythology, I can't recall coming across one. If vampires existed, I'm sure there was a different name for them. Also I don't think there is any reason for Athena to be involved with vampires at all, so it would make little sense, that even if these creatures were in Greek mythology that Athena would be around one long enough to fall in love. I have studied Greek mythology quite extensively, though forgot much of what I learned. However I have NEVER read of vampires or anything resembling a vampire of any kind. At least not a humanoid one.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:57 pm
Holy Hecate, Res' turned from cute-angel-boy to unrepentant-gothpunk-mage overnight! This came completely out of nowhere! =o Anyhow, the only "vampire" myths I've heard in Greek mythology is Lamia, but that's a pretty weak comparison. And call me demanding, but I'd sure love to hear some Ancient Greek, Ms. Angel. Given that you have 'her same memories and everything', it should be a breeze - Although I'll forgive you if your native tongue has completely slipped your mind.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:08 pm
Mitsh Holy Hecate, Res' turned from cute-angel-boy to unrepentant-gothpunk-mage overnight! This came completely out of nowhere! =o Anyhow, the only "vampire" myths I've heard in Greek mythology is Lamia, but that's a pretty weak comparison. And call me demanding, but I'd sure love to hear some Ancient Greek, Ms. Angel. Given that you have 'her same memories and everything', it should be a breeze - Although I'll forgive you if your native tongue has completely slipped your mind. lol It's a throw back to one of my old avatars, with a bit of extra kick in it. Yeah, that and a couple other similar monsters are about as close to vampires as you get in Greek mythology.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:47 pm
blindfaith^_^ So where did you aquire this knowledge? Was it from books, personal experience, or the teachings of a particular religion? Is it possible to get some of the titles of the books if that's where you got your information. It seems to me we all have such different definitions, I like to know where the vocab is coming from.[/qupte] It's not from books it's from memories, and her personal experience. blindfaith^_^ I'm going to be honest here, and I don't mean to be offensive, but I just don't exactly believe this account. Here is why. 1. Athena was never young. She came out of Zeus' body full grown. In one account she is released by Hera after Zeus complains of a head ache. I another account. Metis makes her a helmet and axe while inside Zues and Hephaestus uses the axe (Minoan) to cut them out. In all accounts though, Athena comes into the world as an adult. 2. I don't think that vampires were part of Greek mythology. I definately could be wrong, but in my very limited Greek mythology, I can't recall coming across one. If vampires existed, I'm sure there was a different name for them. Also I don't think there is any reason for Athena to be involved with vampires at all, so it would make little sense, that even if these creatures were in Greek mythology that Athena would be around one long enough to fall in love. 3. I don't think Greek Mythology has this spiritual bond in it either. The closest that comes to this is Orpheus and Eurydice's love where after Eurydice's death Orpheus is so hurt that he goes to the Underworld to retrieve her. This still isn't a spiritual bond though. 4. Admittedly I don't like the idea of a "spiritual bonds" either. They seem fairly negative to me, but meh, I like my independence. That someone could do this isn't out of the realm of possiblilty, but it isn't within the highly probably either. 5. There is no mention of Athena being married, and it doesn't seem to make much sense that Athena would get married, given her general mythology. 6.I've never heard of Camula before. He is not mentioned in any Greek mythology, let alone any that pertains to Athena. In fact the only thing I got off of him was a direct link to Yu-Gi-Oh from Wikipedia. Which while I can't find any direct mention to Camula makes sense as your description of Camula does sound like something righto out of Yu-Gi-Oh. 7. I find it odd the Goddess of Wisdom couldn't figure out what Camula was up to or, you know, stop him. She managed to stop Hephaestus from raping her, she was one of Are's greatest rivals on the battle field due not only to her strength but her crafitiness and this guy, who isn't even a God beat her out. 8. While Athena is known for her skill in war, she is much more than a Goddess of War and infact the primary war diety is Ares, as the Goddess incarnate I'd assume you'd know all about this though. 9. We would have heard of Athena's marraige and of her withdrawn period and there are no myths to correlate to that. Actually the withdrawn stage especially would have been a big deal to her many many followers. 10. So which temple is her body at? 11. That makes you an avatar, if anything, which for the reasons above I doubt as your story not only doesn't make a lot of sense, but doesn't line up with Athena. Maybe you are a Goddess incarnate, but it is highly doubable that you are Athena's incarnate. 1. Honestly on most points you have I agree with you. Weither Athena came out as a woman dressed in armor, I don't know. I haven't gone that far back. I DO know however she hardly ever took her armor off. She wasn't exactly the proudest person of being veiwed as a woman infront of others except what she considered close family. However their was a time when she was young. As in she grew. 2. Vampires may be known as a different name. Which normally they are. That doesn't mean they may not be in greek mythology. Which..is mythology. Root word..myth. But she is with what you would generally call one. The fangs the blood those things that in OUR society kinda generalize you as a vampire. 3. Weither Greek Mythology has a spiritual bond anywhere mentioned I don't know. I haven't researched it, found no reason too. However that is like what they have, and me and that person still have the bond. 5. No there is no mention of Athena ever being married. I searched for that time and time again and I've never seen it. However what I've seen is enough to tell me I don't a website to prove it. 6. Camula I've never researched him either, so, no argument there. 7. She DID eventually figure it out or else her husband would have been completely souless. Where infact he wasn't. 8. I do know this. As I mentioned in what I said previous to this on the original answering post of someone else. 9. Really? How would you have heard about this? Most people account their tales from Homer. His works, his artistry (no I don't mean that as in his paintings, I mean it as his creativity). 10. Her body is at her temple. As are the rest of the gods. You know, the whole supposely Mt. Olyphims? 11. That is you're opinon and I apreciate it. blindfaith^_^ Which why you know that while Athena was know for her battle prowess it wasn't her primary skill....oh wait, it seems you forgot that small detail along with others. Look back at the text please. blindfaith^_^ You are also claiming to "know it all". You make claims on a certain truth too. I don't expect you to change your mind on your truth, nor should you expect to change my mind on mine. We can agrue points and facts, but the end of the day since your claims are experience based and I lack your experience, if you know written history, science, or some other more objective factor isn't on your side then you can't expect others to believe you, especially if any one of those factores works more in favor of their truth than yours. I'm not claiming to know it all. I know I don't know everything about Athena. I said it in this post, and the one before it. Maybe in not those exact terms but I still said it. Now if you believe I am I'm sorry and no I shall never change my mind on it. People could batter me for days but I wouldn't care. Truth is truth. Belief, is belief. blindfaith^_^ Science doesn't really prove anything in past lives, energy manipulation and what not. There are theories that science seems to be more predisposed to than others, but as a whole any one who claims science 100% backs them is full of BS. Still there are scientific indications of some things over others and I do believe science could one day prove or disprove such things. I just don't think it can now. I know you have more that you wanted comments on, but honestly, it got a little ranty for me. So this is my opinion based off what I thought was comment worthy. True. Science will never completely back up anyone. I don't think, and this is my opinon, that everything can be explained. However I do like science. I'm a skeptic person, who doesn't believe things without the slightest bit of proof. And if that is how you're mind works then I can see where all the problems on what I've said got you're reaction. I apreciate our little chat though. Darin Rosewood Umm... wow. That is THE Fluffiest thread I've read in about six months. I won't even go into how stupid this is. Do yourself a favor and don't make meaningless posts.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:51 pm
Mitsh Holy Hecate, Res' turned from cute-angel-boy to unrepentant-gothpunk-mage overnight! This came completely out of nowhere! =o Anyhow, the only "vampire" myths I've heard in Greek mythology is Lamia, but that's a pretty weak comparison. And call me demanding, but I'd sure love to hear some Ancient Greek, Ms. Angel. Given that you have 'her same memories and everything', it should be a breeze - Although I'll forgive you if your native tongue has completely slipped your mind. I apreciate your emotions behind this greatly, really I do. And I'd love to break out in song about it as well. Honestly, when I do "break out" in Greek, which happens a lot in my French class, I don't know what it is I say. But hey...we could always just see what flies out of my mouth if I ever really Speak to you.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:54 pm
Angel No More 2. Vampires may be known as a different name. Which normally they are. That doesn't mean they may not be in greek mythology. Which..is mythology. Root word..myth. But she is with what you would generally call one. The fangs the blood those things that in OUR society kinda generalize you as a vampire. In all I have read about Greek mythology over the years, I have never once come across anything that matches the description of a vampire.
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