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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:30 pm
Okay, I thought I would take the plunge and make the first topic. You might be wondering, what is this "Female Reproductive Rights" thing? Well in other words it would have to deal with legalized abortion.
Currently, Abortion is legal in the United States. Many are spilt on the issue. Those who are anti-abortion want it to become illegal in the States again because they have moral values and killing a baby is against them.
Those who support legalized abortion feel that the government should not put limits on their own personal body. Why should they have control over what I do? Especially Men who make the laws.
So please, adhere to all the rules stated in the sticky.
My view:
I am pro-life but that does not mean I support suppression on Female Reproductive rights. I feel that those in congress (prodomently males) shouldn't limit our personal body parts. That would be like telling me, "okay you all have to get fixed." It isn't right. But although I do support a person's right to get an abortion, I would never have one my self. I absolutely LOVE children. (I plan on a minimum of three) Abortion is killing a living thing. At five weeks a baby embryo's heart starts to work. Even at conception it is living. Cells are living things. Although we can go into argument about how killing other living cells is wrong too, killing a baby is just heart breaking to me.
So my stance: Pro-Female Reproductive Rights and Pro-Life.
((Note: if I miss said anything and/or would like me to add something up here, let me know and I'll add it ^_^))
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:45 pm
I'm still alittle undecided by the whole issure but this is what I got so far. Yes, we all have a choice in what we do with our bodies and our children (born or unborn). I also understand how people view it as morally wrong to kill a baby, but you also have to look at stuff like teen pregnancies where 1) the mother may be in danger of losing her life while delivering the baby, 2) if the mother is unable to properly care for the baby and it goes hungry, suffers from startavion, and dies which is soft of like a form of torture, and 3) if the baby is born into an abusive relationship and the father or mother hurt the baby and begin its life in the worst way possible. There are also alternatives to abortions which makes me question the morality of some mothers if they just don't want to give birth (if that is the case). Abortion is just a person's choice and shouldn't be taken away in my opinion.
I'm Pro-Femail Reproductive Rights and Pro-Life.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:12 pm
Personally, I'm pro-life. I just don't like the idea of killing a baby, born or unborn, because you don't know who that baby could become. They could be our world's future. They could save someone's life. They could do something totally awesome for mankind. However, we won't know that unless they live.
That aside, I just love children, plain and simple.
I am aware that there are certain circumstances where there could be exceptions and a decision would be difficult, but in general, I am pro-life.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:40 pm
"You know, I really don't like this issue... I'm totally for killing babies and all, but I really don't think women should have rights!"
That's one way I've seen this argument ended.
Anyway. I am all for killing babies if it's in good reason... Sorry to be mean and be like "killing babies" but with good reason, it should be allowed. Rape cases, def allowed. I don't want some homeless ******** baby. High school cases should be depending. I've seen babies make someone's life hard, and I've heard stories about babies ruining lives, but then also, they were the stupid ones who made baby. Then again, they might not have the knowledge to be aware of what they're doing.
Basically, it's my body. I should be able to do whatever I want with it. If I wanna smoke and slowly kill myself, I should be allowed to. No one should tell anyone that they can't. If I wanna jump off of a ******** bridge, no one should stop me. That's my choice, and my life, why can't I waste it if I want to? And if I get preggers, and I don't want a baby, I should be allowed to get rid of it. I really don't want a baby to ruin my life.
I have other views on this also. This post is getting long. Has anyone ever thought, that maybe your god understands abortion? (I say "your god" because I'm not in any way Christian, and mostly God lovers are arguing life.) Maybe your god realizes it's not that babies' time, and it's not your time. Maybe he sees that you messed up, takes that soul back, and puts it in another baby of a mother and father who can take care of it. Why would your god just throw a spirit away?
I've got plenty on this issue.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:38 pm
I'm definitely pro-choice.
There are so many reasons; that a fetus's "rights" do not outweigh a woman's, rape, if the mother's life is in danger, if a woman is mentally unstable and would have to stop medications to have a healthy child, because contraception doesn't always work, and most essentially, because it's the woman's choice - it's her body, it's her decision, and we need to trust her to make the right one - for her.
Yeah, you can argue life is precious and valuable - but more than 2/3 of abortions take place during the first trimester when the fetus doesn't even resemble a human being. Besides, I don't see many pro-lifers who are vegetarian. >>
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:19 pm
Playing Devil's Advocate here to be interesting:KittyAdoresKisses I also understand how people view it as morally wrong to kill a baby, but you also have to look at stuff like teen pregnancies where 1) the mother may be in danger of losing her life while delivering the baby, 2) if the mother is unable to properly care for the baby and it goes hungry, suffers from starvation, and dies which is soft of like a form of torture, and 3) if the baby is born into an abusive relationship and the father or mother hurt the baby and begin its life in the worst way possible. . That could happen with someone who is in their 20's, 30's, and 40's also, not just teens. A person who is in their 40's or later is more likely to have a special needs child than a teen is.[ theoretic martyr ] Yeah, you can argue life is precious and valuable - but more than 2/3 of abortions take place during the first trimester when the fetus doesn't even resemble a human being. It may not resemble a human being but that doesn't mean it isn't a human being. A person who is burned completely all over may not resemble a normal human but does that take away from being a human?Skully Kat Has anyone ever thought, that maybe your god understands abortion? (I say "your god" because I'm not in any way Christian, and mostly God lovers are arguing life.) Maybe your god realizes it's not that babies' time, and it's not your time. Maybe he sees that you messed up, takes that soul back, and puts it in another baby of a mother and father who can take care of it. Why would your god just throw a spirit away? That could be very so. But what if my God wants that baby to live? How do I know if my God wants it to be aborted or not? We don't know.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:14 am
Following Lauren... Sorry if I offend anyone. I'm not trying to, I just like a good debate. sweatdrop Skully Kat Anyway. I am all for killing babies if it's in good reason... Sorry to be mean and be like "killing babies" but with good reason, it should be allowed. Rape cases, def allowed. I don't want some homeless ******** baby. High school cases should be depending. I've seen babies make someone's life hard, and I've heard stories about babies ruining lives, but then also, they were the stupid ones who made baby. Then again, they might not have the knowledge to be aware of what they're doing. I understand not wanting a baby from rape... You would have been forced with something you did not want. However, as afore mentioned, no one knows what that baby could do were he/she given the chance to live. You don't even have to keep the baby- Put it up for adoption. There are people out there who were born as a result of rape, and I don't think they take very kindly to being referred to in such a way. KittyAdoresKisses 3) if the baby is born into an abusive relationship and the father or mother hurt the baby and begin its life in the worst way possible. If that were the case, why couldn't the baby just be adopted? [ theoretic martyr ] Besides, I don't see many pro-lifers who are vegetarian. >> This is irrelevant seeing as my pro-life stance is based on the fact the baby could grow to be someone.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:54 pm
For Lauren: How does anyone know what any god wants or thinks? You don't. But I do disagree with people putting s**t in their god's mouth. That's mainly what I was going with, I think you noticed. It just makes me mad that the Pro-Life Christians put things in their god's mouth. No one really knows, I've heard that the bible disagrees with gay love, and says nothing about it. It really depends on just how you interpret it. Everyone here should listen to "God Thinks" by Voltaire. It's a song that takes what people have claimed that "God" wanted, and mocks it. Then he throws his own things in there to show it. He is commenting on how people try to use what "God Thinks" as justification for their actions. Just make sure you listen to the song with good humor, because he does use things that have been said in the past that are offensive, and he does make fun of people putting words in their god's mouth. And I can say "their god's" here, because he isn't just making fun of Christians. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8202636 God Thinks is in the Princess Mononoke film. Ignore the film, it sucks with the song. For Sugaryum: I did miss the whole adoption thing. I do agree with it, if girls get preggers, they really should put the baby up for adoption. I was kinda thinking of myself when writing this though, because I don't believe that I will be able to have a baby. I have a lot of physical issues, so I try not to 'get my hopes up' in a way. Adoption is always a good idea, on both ends. Those babies need homes too. I will probably adopt if I get crazy enough to want a kid one day. >.<
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:32 am
Skully Kat For Lauren: How does anyone know what any god wants or thinks? You don't. But I do disagree with people putting s**t in their god's mouth. That's mainly what I was going with, I think you noticed. It just makes me mad that the Pro-Life Christians put things in their god's mouth. No one really knows, I've heard that the bible disagrees with gay love, and says nothing about it. It really depends on just how you interpret it. Everyone here should listen to "God Thinks" by Voltaire. It's a song that takes what people have claimed that "God" wanted, and mocks it. Then he throws his own things in there to show it. He is commenting on how people try to use what "God Thinks" as justification for their actions. Just make sure you listen to the song with good humor, because he does use things that have been said in the past that are offensive, and he does make fun of people putting words in their god's mouth. And I can say "their god's" here, because he isn't just making fun of Christians. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8202636 God Thinks is in the Princess Mononoke film. Ignore the film, it sucks with the song. For Sugaryum: I did miss the whole adoption thing. I do agree with it, if girls get preggers, they really should put the baby up for adoption. I was kinda thinking of myself when writing this though, because I don't believe that I will be able to have a baby. I have a lot of physical issues, so I try not to 'get my hopes up' in a way. Adoption is always a good idea, on both ends. Those babies need homes too. I will probably adopt if I get crazy enough to want a kid one day. >.< Exactly, no one knows what their God thinks and so what it really boils down to I believe is what your personal morals are. I do agree with adoption. If someone cant have a baby, they can adopt somone elses.
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:49 pm
The idea that abortion saves a child from a potentially abusive home is, to an extent, flawed. Studies have showed that it is more difficult for women who have had abortions to bond with their children than those who have not, and that child abuse is, statistically, higher among women who have had abortions than with those who have not.
Personally, I believe that abortion is wrong in most cases. Medically, the end of life is defined as the cessation of brain waves. Why should their beginning not also define the opposite?
I'm not sure about believing the life begins at conception, before the zygote even attaches itself to the uterine wall, but, for me, it's just that it's a little hard to scientifically claim that a child's life begins once he or she is completely outside of his mother's womb, like a breath of fresh air renders him or her a viable human being once completely expelled.
Mostly, I don't understand partial-birth abortion. If the mother is medically and mentally sound enough to carry her child all the way to term, regardless of my stance on other abortion, I don't think she should be allowed to have her child's skull punctured and his or her brain sucked out through a tube rather than just giving birth and putting the child up for adoption. :C
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:21 am
I'm against abortion. I have some friends that were failed abortions and ones that their parents changed their minds. I'm so glad that they are appart of my life, and i don't think one person should decide to deprive the world of a life. A life is a life, no matter what stage it's in. I mean, what if your mom decided she didn't want you anymore right now? You were apart of her body, some women still think that after they have givin birth and the baby is in the world that it's still appart of her body (one of the reasons women beat their kids).
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:56 pm
japanesejuicebox I'm against abortion. I have some friends that were failed abortions and ones that their parents changed their minds. I'm so glad that they are appart of my life, and i don't think one person should decide to deprive the world of a life. A life is a life, no matter what stage it's in. I mean, what if your mom decided she didn't want you anymore right now? You were apart of her body, some women still think that after they have givin birth and the baby is in the world that it's still appart of her body (one of the reasons women beat their kids). My Mom has decided that she didn't want me anymore many times... It was always "I'll put you up for adoption! "I'll make you live with your father!" "I just wanna send you away!" Sometimes, I kinda wish she did... That's another reason why I agree with it...
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:01 pm
Skully Kat japanesejuicebox I'm against abortion. I have some friends that were failed abortions and ones that their parents changed their minds. I'm so glad that they are appart of my life, and i don't think one person should decide to deprive the world of a life. A life is a life, no matter what stage it's in. I mean, what if your mom decided she didn't want you anymore right now? You were apart of her body, some women still think that after they have givin birth and the baby is in the world that it's still appart of her body (one of the reasons women beat their kids). My Mom has decided that she didn't want me anymore many times... It was always "I'll put you up for adoption! "I'll make you live with your father!" "I just wanna send you away!" Sometimes, I kinda wish she did... That's another reason why I agree with it... o.o....that's.....really ******** up. *hug*
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:04 pm
That really is ******** up. But we love you so much on here!
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:19 pm
It's then later weird when she says she loves me... I really don't know what to believe. >.< I think she loves me in the way that she is my Mother, and just does, but she doesn't love me as a person.
I know you guys love me... If you didn't I'd ban you! scream
Do I have to say "April Fools"? That can just be assumed, right?
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