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 Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:50 pm
Recently a bill was put before in congress just a little while ago to pull the troops from Iraq, and Bush wants to put more. What do you think about the war?
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:39 am
 >> Only the blackest of heartsWell, I agree that Saddam was a bad man, and it is good that he is out of power now (and dead) - however, that wasn't really any of our buisness, because I really doubt they had ANYTHING to do with 9/11 what-so-ever. I see the entire thing as a giant distraction from Osama really, and it's a waste of our army's lives and time. Can feel the purest of love <<
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:09 am
My opinion is the same as Alex's...
I just recently found out by use of my Social Studies textbook how the whole thing started. The war in Iraq is not related to the September 11 attacks, but really because of something that happened around the early-mid 1990's. Iraq was told, I believe by the UN, to disarm its nuclear weapons, and they had reason to believe that they refused (though I don't know what reasoning exactly), so they tried to make some kind of deal with Saddam Hussein. The main point was to disarm the nukes, but they also including some things like "stop being so cruel to your people" or something to that effect. When he refused... now we have a war.
I still don't see much point in attacking them. I mean, we probably wouldn't have had to worry about them using nuclear weapons if we didn't give them a reason to like, oh say, invading their country. It's good for them that Saddam is out of power, but US troops shouldn't be staying there to help set up their government. Democracy isn't always the best form of government; it really depends on the country in question. Retaliation for September 11 was a worthy cause, and maybe this was in the beginning, but we seem to have lost sight of that...
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 7:37 am
>> Only the blackest of heartsYeah, but they had no reason to invade until the 9/11 incidents - should they have not happened, we probably would not have invaded Iraq. Of course, now we are probably gonna go invade Iran... but whatever. Can feel the purest of love <<
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:15 am
i think its all a giant waste of time and life. the french were in their right minds not helping up out, its about as much THEIR business as it is OURS... and that means its NOT. i mean, sure, there was a few reasons that if you really think about it, we could have reason to be on bad terms with them. but not full-scale war. lets say, hypothetically, a thousand other things happened that were all their fault and they were all directed at us. then yeah, the bastards deserve what they have coming. but not this. just pull the goddamn troops out of iraq before you kill moreo f them and need to send out for more who will also die if given enough time to do so.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:14 pm
My opinion:
The effort to rescue the Iraqis came too little and too late. And our effort is wasted.
Let us not debate the obvious: Iraq had nothing to do with Al Whosywhatsy.
Do NOT compare 9/11 to Pearl Harbor!
With Pearl Harbor, we could point on a map to the enemy, "Look, there are the people that bombed us. Let's get them!"
Al Queda (I can't spell it) is just an organization that has no place it calls home. We can't point fingers at any country.
I feel that if we wanted to have helped Iraq, we should've done it when the Shiite and Kurds begun to rebel about 10-15 years ago after the first Gulf War. But we didn't, because once the Shiite got control of the government, they wouldn't give us much oil. So instead of backing them on a revolution against Saddam (much like how France and Spain backed us against England), we just sat on our fat asses and did nothing.
This war is useless and pointless and only serves to fatten the wallets of white corporate America as we have recently taken control of 70% of the oil iin Iraq, which was what the Bush Admin. told us was something we were NOT going to do.
Haha, I see the irony.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:37 pm
I think I agree in some ways, but differ in others...
It started as an "ok" idea. Find Saddam, bring up a new democracy, stop some terrorism. But we went about it in ALL the wrong way. I'm not one for military stuff, so I don't know how we should have done it... but I know this- We did it the WRONG WAY! We did a little, but the casualties are not making it seem like a good thing. We put ourself in a lose lose situation. We could pull out now... and let a country go back to war, or keep going for years and might never leave. I think this is just such a bad position!
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:42 pm
My problem with this is you can't force democracy on a people that aren't ready for it. They were ready for something back a few years, but we missed our chance.
If we really wanted to help those people, we would've been more diplomatic about it and pressured Iraq into becoming entirely a no fly zone and a buncha other stuffs. We could've done many things.
And if we wanted long enough. Just long enough for his people to start causing him trouble, we could've sided with them in a revolution and let them form their government.
Instead, we've put ourselves in a standstill with that country and its progress and are smack right in the middle of a Civil War.
We royally ******** up.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:49 pm
[La] Luna My problem with this is you can't force democracy on a people that aren't ready for it. They were ready for something back a few years, but we missed our chance.
If we really wanted to help those people, we would've been more diplomatic about it and pressured Iraq into becoming entirely a no fly zone and a buncha other stuffs. We could've done many things.
And if we wanted long enough. Just long enough for his people to start causing him trouble, we could've sided with them in a revolution and let them form their government.
Instead, we've put ourselves in a standstill with that country and its progress and are smack right in the middle of a Civil War.
We royally ******** up. Seriously
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 5:55 am
yeah it seems that us americans cant tell what IS our business from what ISNT... i agree, we started out with pure intentions. help a country under the rule of a horrible person. yes, all well and good. well then why the hell are we still there? he's DEAD, and not all the people in Iraq are terrorists who wish death upon us. though if we stay there any longer and continue ******** up their lives they might be...
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:58 am
Anime-himeRin yeah it seems that us americans cant tell what IS our business from what ISNT... i agree, we started out with pure intentions. help a country under the rule of a horrible person. yes, all well and good. well then why the hell are we still there? he's DEAD, and not all the people in Iraq are terrorists who wish death upon us. though if we stay there any longer and continue ******** up their lives they might be...
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:52 am
Yea, we roally messed up!
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:03 am
I believe we are going to be in this war, one way or another, for a long time.
I am almost sure I can say our children's children will still be dealing with this problem.
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:21 pm
[La] Luna I believe we are going to be in this war, one way or another, for a long time.
I am almost sure I can say our children's children will still be dealing with this problem. Yes... they will
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Amaya_Moonstone Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:28 am
well thats because we turned a short-term issue (the fact that Saddam was dictator-- sure he was horrible but he wouldve died eventually and they wouldve been free THEN, WOULDNT THEY??? XD) into a long term one (a war that will go on for god-only-knows how long....)... we've brought it upon ourselves
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