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 Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:39 pm
Yes, I shall list (even if you know the site) the names and I propose that we put them in proper order.
1. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart & Ludwig Van Beethoven
3. Johann Sebastian Bach
4. Joseph Haydn
5. Frederic Chopin
6. Johannes Brahms
7. Franz Schubert
8. Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky
9. George Frideric Handel
10. Igor Stravinsky
11. Robert Schumann
12. Felix Mendelssohn
13. Claude Debussy
14. Franz Liszt
15. Antonin Dvorak
16. Giuseppe Verdi
17. Gustav Mahler
18. Hector Berlioz
I can understand if you think something is in the right area, but some of us don't think the same.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:40 am
Ok, first things first. Mozart and Beethoven should be drawn for first position.
J S Bach can stay where he is.
In my opinion Wagner should be replaced by Chopin, as we are The Eco and Piano Guild, and Chopin was the most prominent composer for the piano.
Tchaikovsky should be moved down.
This will be fun! Nice idea.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:36 am
Le Aristocrat Ok, first things first. Mozart and Beethoven should be drawn for first position. J S Bach can stay where he is. In my opinion Wagner should be replaced by Chopin, as we are The Eco and Piano Guild, and Chopin was the most prominent composer for the piano. Tchaikovsky should be moved down. This will be fun! Nice idea. Haha, you'll enjoy your uber-mod power now, John...XD Hang on, I'm sure you've already had this debate before.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:59 pm
I really hate composer lists like this. It's too subjective, and I find it ridiculous to compare, in example, J.S. Bach against Stravinsky, and decide who's better.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:06 pm
1. Ludwig Van Beethoven - 1770-1827
2. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - 1756-1791
3. Johann Sebastian Bach - 1685-1750
4. Richard Wagner - 1813-1883
5. Joseph Haydn - 1732-1809
6. Johannes Brahms - 1833-1897
7. Franz Schubert - 1797-1828
8. Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky - 1840-1893
9. George Frideric Handel - 1685-1759
10. Igor Stravinsky - 1882-1971
11. Robert Schumann - 1810-1856
12. Frederic Chopin - 1810-1849
13. Felix Mendelssohn - 1809-1847
14. Claude Debussy - 1862-1918
15. Franz Liszt - 1811-1886
16. Antonin Dvorak - 1841-1904
17. Giuseppe Verdi - 1813-1901
18. Gustav Mahler - 1860-1911
19. Hector Berlioz - 1803-1869
20. Antonio Vivaldi - 1678-1741
I'm changing it to the top 20 instead becuase many of the 21-30 people aren't commonly heard. I agree with you for once Jon (Jon or John?), Bach should be one of the top 3 no doubt. I'm not so sure that Chopin should be above Haydn, however. I would put so far:
1. Ludwig Van Beethoven & Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
3. Johann Sebastian Bach
4. Joseph Haydn
5. Frederic Chopin
6. Johannes Brahms
(the rest being the same)
7. Franz Schubert
8. Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky
9. George Frideric Handel
10. Igor Stravinsky
11. Robert Schumann
12. Frederic Chopin
13. Felix Mendelssohn
14. Claude Debussy
15. Franz Liszt
16. Antonin Dvorak
17. Giuseppe Verdi
18. Gustav Mahler
19. Hector Berlioz
20. Antonio Vivaldi
I do think that Schubert should be moved down and Handel take his spot.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:22 am
Wings I really hate composer lists like this. It's too subjective, and I find it ridiculous to compare, in example, J.S. Bach against Stravinsky, and decide who's better. Yes, but it is fun to make one ourselves. And I get annoyed when one puts Chopin below Tchaikovsky and Beethoven above Mozart.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:12 pm
Le Aristocrat Wings I really hate composer lists like this. It's too subjective, and I find it ridiculous to compare, in example, J.S. Bach against Stravinsky, and decide who's better. Yes, but it is fun to make one ourselves. And I get annoyed when one puts Chopin below Tchaikovsky and Beethoven above Mozart. It's really just a "my favourite composers" list then, if you put it that way. Every composer has their strengths and weaknesses, so unless one states a specific criteria to rate the composers by, I find lists like this debatable and pointless.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:47 am
Wings Le Aristocrat Wings I really hate composer lists like this. It's too subjective, and I find it ridiculous to compare, in example, J.S. Bach against Stravinsky, and decide who's better. Yes, but it is fun to make one ourselves. And I get annoyed when one puts Chopin below Tchaikovsky and Beethoven above Mozart. It's really just a "my favourite composers" list then, if you put it that way. Every composer has their strengths and weaknesses, so unless one states a specific criteria to rate the composers by, I find lists like this debatable and pointless. I would still put Tchaikovsky in the top 20 or so, but it is ridiculous to place him above Chopin when Chopin was the most important composer for Piano that has ever lived, or so most people would say. And Mozart and Beethoven should always be on a parallel level, because it is impossible to put one above the other in achievements or contribution to music. So why not compile a list based on our perceptions of achievement? It's fun. And we can debate it while we create it. Sure, it isn't necessary to rank composers. But when someone else does it, and makes a complete mess, why shouldn't we create a better version, whilst ackowledging that all lists will be debatable and pointless in essence? If it was a "My Favourite Composers" list, Chopin would be at the top, Tchaikovsky wouldn't be on it, Mahler would be at number 651, Rachmaninoff would be second and it would all be rather ridiculous.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:16 pm
Le Aristocrat I would still put Tchaikovsky in the top 20 or so, but it is ridiculous to place him above Chopin when Chopin was the most important composer for Piano that has ever lived, or so most people would say. And Mozart and Beethoven should always be on a parallel level, because it is impossible to put one above the other in achievements or contribution to music. So why not compile a list based on our perceptions of achievement? It's fun. And we can debate it while we create it. Sure, it isn't necessary to rank composers. But when someone else does it, and makes a complete mess, why shouldn't we create a better version, whilst ackowledging that all lists will be debatable and pointless in essence? If it was a "My Favourite Composers" list, Chopin would be at the top, Tchaikovsky wouldn't be on it, Mahler would be at number 651, Rachmaninoff would be second and it would all be rather ridiculous. Then you're still setting a criteria to rate the composers by--and in this case, you're judging them by their general value to contribution to development of music. The only reason I'm arguing is that often lists like this turn to a "my favourite composers" list, or subjective opinions would creep through as it did in Septomor's list. I guess my musical taste is more whimsical in nature, and if you ask me to name favourite composers, I'll automatically givey ou a bunch, but asking me for ONE specific favourite will kill me. XD Edit: I like Mahler though. ^_^ Absolutely adore his song cycles.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:50 pm
Wings Le Aristocrat I would still put Tchaikovsky in the top 20 or so, but it is ridiculous to place him above Chopin when Chopin was the most important composer for Piano that has ever lived, or so most people would say. And Mozart and Beethoven should always be on a parallel level, because it is impossible to put one above the other in achievements or contribution to music. So why not compile a list based on our perceptions of achievement? It's fun. And we can debate it while we create it. Sure, it isn't necessary to rank composers. But when someone else does it, and makes a complete mess, why shouldn't we create a better version, whilst ackowledging that all lists will be debatable and pointless in essence? If it was a "My Favourite Composers" list, Chopin would be at the top, Tchaikovsky wouldn't be on it, Mahler would be at number 651, Rachmaninoff would be second and it would all be rather ridiculous. Then you're still setting a criteria to rate the composers by--and in this case, you're judging them by their general value to contribution to development of music. The only reason I'm arguing is that often lists like this turn to a "my favourite composers" list, or subjective opinions would creep through as it did in Septomor's list. I guess my musical taste is more whimsical in nature, and if you ask me to name favourite composers, I'll automatically givey ou a bunch, but asking me for ONE specific favourite will kill me. XD Edit: I like Mahler though. ^_^ Absolutely adore his song cycles. I dislike Mahler. I know what you are saying. It is just harmless fun though. I love a lot of composers, and it is hard to choose a favourite, but it has to be Chopin. That said, Rachmaninoff, Beethoven, Satie, Debussy, Faure, Liszt, Prokofiev, Schubert and so many others come close to it. I love music, so although Chopin is my favourite overall, I can still love the others.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:51 pm
It just annoys me, but I do understand.
Why do you dislike Mahler?
I don't have set favourites because I can easily enjoy different things at any given time as long as I can understand the musicality behind the pieces (yes, I'm having great fun with my contemporary Louie piece)
I wasn't implying that you don't like other composers than Chopin; I'm just saying I can't pick one single favourite composer. However, if I'm asked what music I dislike, I can very easily answer that I hate metal and mainstream rap, lol. I can stand cheesy country songs even, but not music that aims to blow your eardrums off, or the trash they even dare call music on the radio.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:30 am
I rather dislike Mahler as well. He probably is only on the list for his Synphony of a thousand people, which, although I haven't heard, wouldn't sound as good as you'd expect.
We can make it a favirote list if you want, Beethoven won't be on top I bet.
Like me, just becuase I like Beethoven above everyone else and listen to his music overall, doesn't mean that he's my favirote...wait...
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:13 am
Wings It just annoys me, but I do understand. Why do you dislike Mahler? I don't have set favourites because I can easily enjoy different things at any given time as long as I can understand the musicality behind the pieces (yes, I'm having great fun with my contemporary Louie piece) I wasn't implying that you don't like other composers than Chopin; I'm just saying I can't pick one single favourite composer. However, if I'm asked what music I dislike, I can very easily answer that I hate metal and mainstream rap, lol. I can stand cheesy country songs even, but not music that aims to blow your eardrums off, or the trash they even dare call music on the radio. I really dislike Mahler, and I don't really know why, but every piece I listen to of his seems insipid, or if not that drenched in fake emotion. It just really annoys me. God, I hate rap and metal...It's not even music! Septomor I rather dislike Mahler as well. He probably is only on the list for his Synphony of a thousand people, which, although I haven't heard, wouldn't sound as good as you'd expect. We can make it a favirote list if you want, Beethoven won't be on top I bet. Like me, just becuase I like Beethoven above everyone else and listen to his music overall, doesn't mean that he's my favirote...wait... Making a favourite list would be impossible, as we would have to have a separate one for each person. Mine would go: 1. Chopin 2. Rachmaninoff 3. Debussy etc. And yours would probably go: 1. Beethoven 2. Beethoven 3. Beethoven etc. It wouldn't work.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:12 pm
Lol, my list would be indeed,
1. Beethoven
2. Chopin
3. Brahms
And Mozart wouldn't be on the list.
I like metal crying I like Metallica in fact.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:07 pm
Septomor Lol, my list would be indeed, 1. Beethoven 2. Chopin 3. Brahms And Mozart wouldn't be on the list. I like metal crying I like Metallica in fact. Chopin would be second?? But a few months ago you didn't like Chopin! Have my recommendations converted you to the Chopin way. I am becoming more and more fond of Brahms, which is strange, because I've never really liked him. I still prefer Mozart, however. Metal can die...
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