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lakshanas

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:53 pm


why meditate? why not keep your eyes open and your hands moving while thinking about things?

why constrict the mind to a meditational concentration?

even in the times i have meditated i have found it most powerful and profound to simply relax and let what flows into my mind flow in.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:44 am


Meditational techniques vary widely. The most common is sitting meditation, but there is also walking meditation and in China, the martial arts are a form of meditation. You can meditate while doing any ordinary activity. The key is concentration and mindfulness.

In sitting meditation, one works on concentration and mindfulness by watching the breath, contemplating something like compassion or emptiness, by visualizing a deity and/or chanting.

In walking meditation, one concentrates on the movement of each leg and foot as it moves, the feeling of the ground beneath your feet, how your muscles constrict and expand as you walk.

Meditation is intended to be a tool to sharpen the mind. To improve concentration so that you can be in a regular state of mindfulness. Many cultures have different ways to achieve. In Japan there is the art of kyūdō, archery, as well as calligraphy (which was also used as a meditation technique in China).

There are also forms of meditation where concentration isn't like a laser beam, highly focused, but rather it's expansive and all-encompassing. In one shamanic tradition there is the notion of "stalking" and it is like meditation - you're not going out to stalk any physical thing, but you're stalking your mind.

In dzogchen there is the notion of paying attention to paying attention, which feels much more expansive, open and flowing than other forms of meditation can feel.

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lakshanas

PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:16 pm


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Meditational techniques vary widely. The most common is sitting meditation, but there is also walking meditation and in China, the martial arts are a form of meditation. You can meditate while doing any ordinary activity. The key is concentration and mindfulness.

In sitting meditation, one works on concentration and mindfulness by watching the breath, contemplating something like compassion or emptiness, by visualizing a deity and/or chanting.

In walking meditation, one concentrates on the movement of each leg and foot as it moves, the feeling of the ground beneath your feet, how your muscles constrict and expand as you walk.

Meditation is intended to be a tool to sharpen the mind. To improve concentration so that you can be in a regular state of mindfulness. Many cultures have different ways to achieve. In Japan there is the art of kyūdō, archery, as well as calligraphy (which was also used as a meditation technique in China).

There are also forms of meditation where concentration isn't like a laser beam, highly focused, but rather it's expansive and all-encompassing. In one shamanic tradition there is the notion of "stalking" and it is like meditation - you're not going out to stalk any physical thing, but you're stalking your mind.

In dzogchen there is the notion of paying attention to paying attention, which feels much more expansive, open and flowing than other forms of meditation can feel.
i knew of calligraphic and martial arts as meditative and what not... i never knew about walking meditation. that makes me feel alittle more directed. thank you ^_^
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:31 am




Walking meditation is my favorite kind :3 It keeps me more focused than sitting meditation, and I can do it for longer.
Don't know why.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:32 am


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Walking meditation is my favorite kind :3 It keeps me more focused than sitting meditation, and I can do it for longer.
Don't know why.




Me too! 3nodding I briefly came across a sort of 'tea-drinking' method of meditation at one point, but I don't remember the details of it. I wanted to find out more about it again sometime in the future, since I do enjoy tea. smile
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:11 am


i have always had a natural predelection for doing sitting meditations when in my room doing nothing, or after reading; for walking meditation whenever i take a walk; and for meditations in all other things i do. i strive to be in meditation in all things i do. smile i find it helps me to realy incorporate my experiences as lessons. ^_^

i guess it helps that my stepdad is Hindu, and taught me meditation as part of my upbringing. xd

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:03 pm


I hope to one day practice Iaido, which has been described as "moving Zen." It requires repetition, precision, fluidity, control and focus, perfect for attaining a meditative-like state. Plus, It's good for a last-resort (as in, diplomacy has failed) self-defense.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:08 pm


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I hope to one day practice Iaido, which has been described as "moving Zen." It requires repetition, precision, fluidity, control and focus, perfect for attaining a meditative-like state. Plus, It's good for a last-resort (as in, diplomacy has failed) self-defense.

I need to find a dojo.... ninja
I had an ex whose sister was a practitioner of Iaido. Unfortunately it didn't help her anger management much.

If only, right? xd

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:50 pm


lakshanas
why meditate? why not keep your eyes open and your hands moving while thinking about things?


It is not necessary to close your eyes and hold still while meditating. You can meditate while doing anything at all, but keeping still and focusing on what you choose to meditate on will help keep from getting distracted. Jet Li, a Buddhist, has been a role model for me for awhile. In the special features of his last martial arts movie he explains that there is no excuse for not meditating. You can meditate while you walk, while you talk, while you eat, while you work, if you can do it you can meditate while doing so. There are different forms of meditation with different purposes. All that matters, in my opinion, is that your meditation is beneficial and serves the purpose for which it is practiced.

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why constrict the mind to a meditational concentration?


I can not answer this question because I do not consider it a restriction. I consider it a form of achieving a goal. I meditate to relax, to realize, to learn, to understand, and to grow. I have not constricted myself to these things because these things do not limit my thoughts, they simply keep me on a forward path. What is the point in walking backwards? Aside from a bit of fun, it is more efficient to face the direction you are walking in.

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even in the times i have meditated i have found it most powerful and profound to simply relax and let what flows into my mind flow in.


That is exactly the point, for some methods. Others are more about self discovery or improvement than about relaxation, although in my personal opinion simply relaxing can be considered an improvement.

I hope my words are helpful here.
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:44 pm


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I hope to one day practice Iaidō, which has been described as "moving Zen." It requires repetition, precision, fluidity, control and focus, perfect for attaining a meditative-like state. Plus, It's good for a last-resort (as in, diplomacy has failed) self-defense.

I need to find a dojo.... ninja
I had an ex whose sister was a practitioner of Iaido. Unfortunately it didn't help her anger management much.

If only, right? xd


lol Yeah, I don't think Iaidō's the best for dealing with anger.... and I would have developed that thought more if I could remember where I was going with that....

Anyway, I found the nearest dojo (to me) that teaches Iaidō:
Grove City Karate, in Grove City, Ohio. They teach Suiō-ryū Iai Kenpō style Iaidō there.
Now I have to find the time to go check it out.... ninja

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:45 pm


was it Jet Li, or Bruce Lee, who said "there is no excuse for not Meditating"? o.O; because i clearly remember watching a clip of an interview with Bruce Lee where he says that, and follows up with "you should strive to be in Meditation in all things that you do."
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:43 pm


I can easily remember hearing and watching Jet Li say it, however it's possible he was quoting Bruce Lee. If Bruce Lee said it, that is probably the case, since he died before the movie in which Jet Li said it was made.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:53 am


that would make alot of sense, considering all the people influenced by Bruce Lee. smile
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