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 Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:13 pm
I just want to here others opinions on this question since i'm developing a theory.
This question is merely part of my theory. And I would like to see other responses on this.
" How do you prove that something does not exist? "
Rather odd yes I know. Yet so far I have only seen one logical counter argument to this. And it has yet to prove my theory wrong.
So if any of you don't mind please respond. sweatdrop blaugh
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:09 pm
You could prove that its opposite is what exists and that the original thing is actually just an absence of what actually exists.
Example: Darkness doesn't really exist; it's only an absence of light.
Although, personally, I don't believe anything can be proven to not exist.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:07 am
Obscurus You could prove that its opposite is what exists and that the original thing is actually just an absence of what actually exists. Example: Darkness doesn't really exist; it's only an absence of light. Although, personally, I don't believe anything can be proven to not exist. Well now heres the question if Darkness doesnt really exist. Then why is it being labled and shown as something that does? Its kinda like "Nothingness" So you can't really say it doesnt exist I guess. Although what you have already said is more accurate. It's only an absence of that common element. So since those are missing it results in being something else or return to its original form. I guess that is the easiest way to say it.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:52 am
Obscurus Although, personally, I don't believe anything can be proven to not exist. The interesting thing is I can think of no logical explanation nor any argument to prove that something doesnt exist.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:31 pm
Kanon Vilente Obscurus Although, personally, I don't believe anything can be proven to not exist. The interesting thing is I can think of no logical explanation nor any argument to prove that something doesnt exist. Maybe it's just not possible to prove the nonexistence of something? It sort of goes against all of what has been established as far as verifying things.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:39 pm
Obscurus Kanon Vilente Obscurus Although, personally, I don't believe anything can be proven to not exist. The interesting thing is I can think of no logical explanation nor any argument to prove that something doesnt exist. Maybe it's just not possible to prove the nonexistence of something? It sort of goes against all of what has been established as far as verifying things. Man I had no idea I had just edited your post dont worry i fixed it. Lol I need to pay attention to what I do because I had no idea I could edit other peoples posts. ANYWAYS Well it is a rather interesting concept. What if we cannot grasp the true concept of nonexistence. That at the same time isnt true because when you think about it. Alot of inventions that are in this day and age didnt exist at a certain time. So we know that something does but doesnt exist. Hmm this certainly is an odd way to think of it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:52 pm
Just throwing some concepts or subjects in here for later.
Non-physical consciousness
Metaphysics
Philosophy of the mind
reflection on the nature of the mind and of mental acts, including such problems as the relation of the mind to the body, personal identity through time, and the knowledge of other minds.
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:42 am
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:17 pm
I think proving that something doesn't exists, really depends on the subject.
With subjects like light/darkness, good/evil, or god/no god you can use the idea given that it's the absence of something.
There are things though, such as time, where it's hard to comprehend non-existence. Time is but a man made measurement to give meaning, celebration, mourning, and the list goes on. Yet when it comes down to it, time is nothing. It's no more than something we made up. If you could go back far enough, I'm almost sure there was a "time without time". Yet I can't explain it without using 'it'.
It's funny how we have become so dependent on something which does not even exist and live by it "daily".
Sorry sweatdrop I tried to get there but I picked something REALLY bad to rant on about non-existence.
But again, it depends on the subject. Something material that should be in front of me, such as a glass cup, could so easily be solved by putting my hand directly where the object should be.
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:37 pm
linepau1 I think proving that something doesn't exists, really depends on the subject.
With subjects like light/darkness, good/evil, or god/no god you can use the idea given that it's the absence of something.
There are things though, such as time, where it's hard to comprehend non-existence. Time is but a man made measurement to give meaning, celebration, mourning, and the list goes on. Yet when it comes down to it, time is nothing. It's no more than something we made up. If you could go back far enough, I'm almost sure there was a "time without time". Yet I can't explain it without using 'it'.
It's funny how we have become so dependent on something which does not even exist and live by it "daily".
Sorry sweatdrop I tried to get there but I picked something REALLY bad to rant on about non-existence.
But again, it depends on the subject. Something material that should be in front of me, such as a glass cup, could so easily be solved by putting my hand directly where the object should be. Well the good thing is you brought the concept of time to my attention. Unfortunately if it truly is a man made measurement it still doesnt prove that it is non existent. More than likely that we can not grasp the true concept of time such as non existence
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:40 am
This is harder than I thought it'd be... although I haven't really thought of it before.
What if it was something not so 'lack of light is darkness' or 'lack of good is evil', such as pizza? One of the ways to make pizza 'non-existant' is to eat it, but even then you've either digested it or you know... pooped it out. It's still there though, y'know?
Like... compost. Apples and stuff, when they become compost, they're still... there. Like the water cycle.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:35 pm
Scientific Evidence.
The only result of science is to disprove. We cannot prove anything unless we eliminate all other reasons through disproving things.
That's why Science is "Agnostic", why evolution and even gravity are only theories, and logic is only... reasoning.
The only way to prove something is to disprove any other possibility.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:32 am
I don't think you can prove that something doesn't exist, you can only prove that something does.
You need physical evidence to prove something exists. Since non-existence is the absence of physical form you can't prove it with any hard evidence.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:45 pm
Joscerelle I don't think you can prove that something doesn't exist, you can only prove that something does. You need physical evidence to prove something exists. Since non-existence is the absence of physical form you can't prove it with any hard evidence. Even using the angle of an absence of physical form you still can not prove that something does not exist. Ha xp sweatdrop I really need to pay attention cause I dont know how many times I have accidentally edited someone elses post sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 1:48 pm
Kanon Vilente Joscerelle I don't think you can prove that something doesn't exist, you can only prove that something does. You need physical evidence to prove something exists. Since non-existence is the absence of physical form you can't prove it with any hard evidence. Even using the angle of an absence of physical form you still can not prove that something does not exist. Ha xp sweatdrop I really need to pay attention cause I dont know how many times I have accidentally edited someone elses post sweatdrop I think that's what I said right? I'm slow today.
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