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Communism... Anarchy.... Good together... Why and why not...

er.....no.

Anarchy and Communism are pretty damn similar. s**t people have gone so far as too call the last stage of Communism simply Anarchism to simplify it. Yet Communists don't call it Anarchism. (I did for sometime actually, I still kind of hold that though), this is because Anarchism less Communal or anything like that and more about individuality or close to it.

One can perhaps claim that Anarcho-Communist are less individual and more for the Communal, yet many Marxist still dislike them. This is because they simply throw Marxist ideals out the window. As you know Anarchism is simply "End the government, no compromise, no build up, just end it" which is very very opposed to Communists who say "Seize power, slowly build up Socialism , then at Socialism slowly build Communism, then end the government". One uses stages and gets there, the other just says "******** it!" and just tosses us in there hoping for the best.

Now because we are opposed with each other doesn't mean we agree. The true Anarchists oppose the Market and also oppose current conditions. That is the same for Communists. In fact we're pretty damn close. Anarchists however don't like us because we use the state to get to Communism.

The entire argument is on paper. Pure fundamental communism could never co-exist with pure fundamental anarchy. This is not the case because both communists and anarchists know that their ideas are ideas and not some fundamentalist rulebook like that of mainstream religions. True communists and anarchists are not fighting just for their ideas necessarily. They're using them to help people and fight oppression. We know that our ideas may not be perfect, but we know who the enemy is, and who we're trying to help. That's how true communists and anarchists are united in their fight against oppression rather that fighting over petty ideas and rules.

well i think that anarchy and communism working together could be the best damn government ever.

i know, i know, it doesn't make sense. but if you take the freedoms of anarchy and social equality of communism and the econommic structure of communism it would at least on paper it would be great.

in other words. it'd kinda be a commune of sorts. i guess though that it would have to be started by the right people and greedy people would be evicted or rehabed[?]

People often assume that Anarchy would be violence and murder and destruction... but isn't the true idea the exact opposite? A society in which people are so mild-mannered and respectful of others that there is no need for any law, since all people would work together without need of the threat of punishment?

OK, let's get one thing straight - Anarchist does not mean anti-government. Only the most irrational individualist or nihilist would make that claim. Anarchists believe in government, but they believe in direct government where people make the decisions that effect them themselves, have control over their own lives to the greatest extent collectively possible, and organise to achieve common goals in free associations of equals.

Anarchism is anti-hierarchal government, and anti-state. These bodies serve their own interests 99% of the time, even in the most enlightened societies. Even with a representative democracy, though admittedly things are better than under a dictatorship, the fact that a small majority control economic and political assets will disempower the masses.

Anarchism is naturally communist, because communism is naturally anti-heirachy. Laws of property, particularly capitalist laws, put one person above another and set people against each other instead of bringing them together in solidarity to work for common goals.

Anarchists do not believe that we should just '******** it' or whatever it is we've been accused of, and have instant communism. We reject Marx's dictatorship of the proletariat as flawed, (the proletariat are the disenfrachised, so no dictatorship could ever be proletarian) but we do have some ideas of precursor societies to our final goal. We do not believe in a 'final utopia' either, only in progress towards a better society.

Anarchism offers one great counterweight to personal greed, the power of the masses. In anarchism, those who 'egoise', who seek personal gratification regardless of others, would have their activities curtailed by the organs of direct government - councils of interested people. They would be controlled, not allowed to destroy the freedom of their comrades.

History supports the Anarchist-Communist argument at every turn. Whenever communist dictatorship has been arrived at, it has stagnated, and disintegrated from within. Whenever anarcho communism or similar systems have been arrived at, they have only fallen because of the concerted efforts of fascist states ripping it apart (i.e. the Diggers, the Paris Commune, Catalonia etc. etc.).

I hope that this will clear up some of the misinformation in the above succession of posts.

well the manifesto clearly says that the government withers away in communism, so I believe you don't agree with the manifesto? o:

and if you wanted to keep that dictatorship, wouldn't that make you an oppressor instead of a liberator?