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 Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:55 pm
Basicly any discussion you can think about art wise. Theorys about why old poems were written, debates on Artistic Censorship. (I seriously can't think right now, Sorry guys. I just read 9 pages of a Heroes spoiler debate about Molly Walkers power.)
Taken from the Censorship Debate: Chaotic Souls Theres one thing that I noticed isn't discussed in this censorship topic. Three, technically four, Very different forms of "Art/Photography" which seems to be rather messed up on an art site I'm on.
First off, I'm fine with seeing Nude pictures on the Anatonomy section because it is what it is, the form and structure of the human body, most of the joints are usualy blocked which make it harder for some artists to figure out just how the body bends.
Then theres your basic artowork that has naked bodies that show or don't show the various reproductive organs. Then again thats what the Mature content filter is for.
Then we get into the more serious stuff.
Artistic Nude, to me (and just to me for now), I think of artistic nude as not some of those silly fetish poses and pictures that are strewn across the dA favorites pages, but ones that have a nude body and then reveal/block it in an artistic way. This is one such example, as you can tell its a naked male form but its displayed in a very artistic way.
After that, you just have your normalpornogrophy and people just posting naked pictures of themself in the Artistic nude section when I, and several of my friends, think its just the "artists" way of getting attention, most of which with the female body. If you skim dA, you will find some of the most disgusting things on there, one of which was inflation which I hardly find artistic.
I know art is withen the eys of the beholder, but Deviantart needs to open its Male-mod eyes and see that they are a bunch of sexist..mods that think artistic nude, real artistic nude is not just for females. Often used Artistic Themes:
Death
Sex(y-ness)
Love (In General)
Perverted things (Ex. Inflation)
Fanart
[List will be updated whenever I find a theme that is used quite a bit]
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:09 pm
Well I was planning on also creating a Writers Thread or something like that. So we wouldn't have a generalized thread for the finer arts. I personally don't mind different types of themes you have mentioned. It gives you different perspectives into multiple styles et cetera. Although as I have seen in the artist arena and forums these themes are completely over done. And from my view some of those drawings are atrocious. Its probably a current "fad" sweatdrop I don't really know but theres to many for my tastes. blaugh I'm still going to enter the arena. And heres one that i have entered in which i am still waiting for approval. This is just one of my older pictures xd  http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awesomewm3.jpg (Enlarged)
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:15 pm
Fanart is one thing alot of people seem to prefer over original Art. However I found that the people who watch me on Deviantart seem to like my original characters and my style over that of Fanart. It's different, isn't it?
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:21 pm
Chaotic Souls Fanart is one thing alot of people seem to prefer over original Art. However I found that the people who watch me on Deviantart seem to like my original characters and my style over that of Fanart. It's different, isn't it? Well it certainly is different, but it still depends on the artists and their ability. I will let my ego go on for a bit. xp I know I am a fairly good artist. I still do not wish to submit any of my original characters because I am currently using them for stories I have been working on. I'm not even sure about Devianart because I am unfamiliar with the site. You still have to think about the artist too. You really don't know if there just drawing certain things to show off their skills or if they want to show off their finished products to whomever and get opinions and tips.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:23 pm
I prefer not to get tips I just like showing my art and see how I am compared to others. And I can't think right now...CSI is on 8D
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:50 pm
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:55 pm
Not bad.. Well I don't really need references for "Fanart". It really wasnt fan art with that picture i was just watching spawn the movie when it came on some odd months ago and just decided to draw em xp Although my original characters are quite unique and interesting. xd
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:29 am
My OC's are also rather intresting too...most of them were rp characters which lost their rp... so my list would be very long. Though one OC thats still living is Demens. Originaly a tri-tiled etheopian wolf demon, then a dragon boy, now a wolf boy that looks like hes from loveless. xD and his name means crazy person in latin
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:58 am
Maybe whether people prefer the original art or the fanart is dependent on style? Just a thought; but prehaps if your art is more anime inclined, people prefer your fanart... or, at least, are more likely to have stumbled across your art from searching for fanart.
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:48 pm
Slayer Igraine Maybe whether people prefer the original art or the fanart is dependent on style? Just a thought; but prehaps if your art is more anime inclined, people prefer your fanart... or, at least, are more likely to have stumbled across your art from searching for fanart. Well dealing with this site I believe you are quite right. It is still dealing with where you go and what crowd you are aiming for. If you deal with other sites such as gaia then this also pertains to it. I wonder if we have any other artistic discussions to add to this. Because right about now all we can do is ask questions like this and give opinions on each others art. And I am not that interested in moving this to the chatterbox since we can have an interesting disucssion with this.
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:55 pm
I like fanart if it stands on its own and I dont have to figure out what its from to get it. I prefer my friends origenal art though.
Personally I dont take much notice of fanart, I cant draw anime. My picture down there in the signiture is about my limit. Im a Photographer and am drawn mostly to photography.
I think some fanart is really amazing though. It must also be a good way to practice technique without interference from trying to create something you see in your head.
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:34 pm
Uh...
As for censorship of art-
Nudity is the natural state of man, if the figure shown is unaware that they do not posses clothing, then they are nude; however, just because the figure is aware of their nakedness does not mean it is pornography. Inferring that, you would be saying Donatello's David is porn because he is naked and not nude.
Really, that's the basics of the basics of art. I'm sure some of the stuff posted on DA is porn, but there should be no censorship in art. Please, artists have been fighting that for thousands of years since the time when something like the Venus of Urbino by Titian was considered base to modern day when an artist can express him or herself in a painting which does, infact depict sex. Sex is a part of human existance, and shouldn't be shunned completely.
Yes, lke I said, some of it is porn and should be removed, but there are artists out there who are seriously trying to express themselves, and the feeling the nudity is wrong does nothing to support the arts.
I'm an art majour.. we have a nude model every single day.. You just need to become desensitized from it.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:16 am
Kanon Vilente Slayer Igraine Maybe whether people prefer the original art or the fanart is dependent on style? Just a thought; but prehaps if your art is more anime inclined, people prefer your fanart... or, at least, are more likely to have stumbled across your art from searching for fanart. Well dealing with this site I believe you are quite right. It is still dealing with where you go and what crowd you are aiming for. If you deal with other sites such as gaia then this also pertains to it. I wonder if we have any other artistic discussions to add to this. Because right about now all we can do is ask questions like this and give opinions on each others art. And I am not that interested in moving this to the chatterbox since we can have an interesting disucssion with this.
They're not created purely for aesthetic expression, communication, or contemplation - they're created because someone payed the painter/sculptor to do so - because it's their job, and it's how they earn money.
But still, some of it gets called fine art; which means that definition probably isn't acceptable... so, what's a suitable definition for fine art?
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:19 am
On Fanart
(My computer has erased this reply 3 times now -.- I'm sick of typing this XD)
I'm not the biggest fan of fanart. Not all of it is original, and that's the only problem I have with it. Most fanart is just someone's traced version of a mass produced picture of the character, and no original thought really went into it.
The fanart that I love is when they alter the original style of the character. ^.^ It gives you a whole different perspective on the character and it adds to the originality. But basically, I love originality. I don't want to see the same picture redrawn 50 times - give me something that will really make me think you're a fan ;D.
Fine Art
Slayer Igraine - you have a point with the fine art thing. Raphael's work isn't really fine art, as you said. But sadly, most people think fine art is old, famous paintings done by old, dead, famous artists. Artists themselves and art fanatics are really the only people who can understand what fine art really is, and even then, sometimes the knowledge of what fine art actually is, is skewed. :/
Censorship
As someone else has mentioned, being nude is man's natural state. Art is full of drawings of things in their natural state (plants, animals, random items in the ktichen, etc) so why can't man be included?
Because society today is so overly politcally correct that we can't handle seeing naked people anymore. Nudity doesn't automatically equal pornography. People who censor art just based on the fact that there's nudity, and say it isn't art, but just garbage, obviously know nothing about art. Art is meant to push the limits; to be a form of expression no matter what you may be feeling. Know-nothing people shouldn't be able to censor it. :/
My Art
My style tends to lean more towards realistic, but I really want to draw cartoony stuff, like anime and whatnot. :/ I also want to dabble with CGI and Photoshop, but I don't have any programs that would allow me to do so XD.
[My First Co-Op Pic]
This is my most recent piece (that's on the internet) and it's my first co-op pic with a friend. I drew the elves, except for the ears and eyebrows on the right elf, but it was quite a challenge since mythical creatures aren't something I normally draw.
(Original elves:
[Left Elf
[Right Elf)
Other examples:
[Charcoal1]
[Charcoal2]
[Charcoal3]
((Charcoal is my favorite to work with so far :3))
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 5:32 pm
I'm no fan of fanart, either. But if it's well-drawn (and preferably yaoi xD), then I heart it automatically. I like doing anime style the best, since its easiest for me. But I also do other things, too. I'm not the best, but I want to keep on trying! My animes: [x][x][x]My hand-made Mail Arts: [x][x][x]My realistic drawings:
[x][x][x]
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