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 Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:32 pm
There have been a debate in my class about weither men and better than women, unfortunalty everyone were idiots so the debate didn't go well, but since I really want to see other people point of view of this I am asking this
"Are men better than women overral?"
Here are some questions that may be discussed
"Should women be allowed in the military, even though relationships may start and cause distractions?"
"Are men the 'money makers' in soceity?"
((The questions above are things that we discussed in class))
~*~RULES~*~
Yes rules, I sometimes see people rambling on and on so here is something that can help this topic living
1 - Please if you see your statement proven false don't post it, it shall just make others answer it again
2 - Please give an example, for this shall help prove your statement and more people shall understand what your talking about
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 10:55 pm
I don't think that either sex is overall better than the other. Each has things that they have been designed to perform better than the other so it's hard to compare them on those things.
For instance: Men naturally have more muscular physiques. Men are naturally better at heavy lifting and activities that are of high exertion. Doesn't mean that women can't do those things, it just means that they'd have to work harder to get to the level that men are usually at naturally.
I understand that not all men and women are built from models of Greek sculptures, so of course I'm speaking generally.
Should women be allowed in the military? If they want to be, I feel they should be allowed to be. If they can pass the same physical standards as men are forced to go through then sure, I don't see why not.
Are men the money makers in society? Generally, I would say yes, as we are a rather Patriarchal society. This could change in the future, but as of right now I think that it is indeed "a man's world"; at least as far as bringing home cash. Women still have very important jobs, but many feel content to remain in the historical "housewife" role. Behind every great man is a great woman and all that.
In conclusion, I feel that neither is better than the other; each is just good at their own things.
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:25 am
Wind_Of_Faith "Should women be allowed in the military, even though relationships may start and cause distractions?" Ehhhh...this is kind of a weird question, I think. Doesn't it seem a little...archaic? I mean, "omg, women might be a distraction! what with all their lady bits all over the place, who can concentrate on work?" just doesn't fly. Relationships are a part of life, and the military has rules in place to try and make sure that there's no overt weirdness going on. Of course, you're always going to have the oddball officer messing around with an enlisted member, but if you're any kind of professional, you'll take a step back and remind yourself that you're there to do a job, not bang the secretary. Wind_Of_Faith "Are men the 'money makers' in soceity?" It would seem so: Women often earn less than their male counterparts. Obscurus I don't think that either sex is overall better than the other. Each has things that they have been designed to perform better than the other so it's hard to compare them on those things. Exactly. Men are biologically built to be stronger and more muscular, while women are built for endurance. Women are physiologically less susceptible to pain than men. Neither sex is "better" than the other, they are just made differently, because their bodies do different things.
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:03 am
Wind_Of_Faith "Are men better than women overral?" Definitely not... even though society is far from "everyone is created equal", one can't generalize that men are the better of the species. It should be that everyone is created equal but different. Each has a different thought process, different reactions to situations and different ways of doing things. Wind_Of_Faith "Should women be allowed in the military, even though relationships may start and cause distractions?" Absolutely... relationships go two ways, hence relationship distractions cannot be pinpointed on women alone. That same "arguement" could be given to any occupation actually... I don't see the difference between relationships in the military and relationships in say corporate companies. They do have a potential for creating chaos (such as if a couple were in an arguement the night before that spilled over into the next day) but a mature adult would handle the situation properly. Wind_Of_Faith "Are men the 'money makers' in soceity?" Typically, yes... though I do see changes happening as far as that goes. I personally have been surrounded by strong, independent women my whole life. My mother (who is a partner for her company that deals with title work on houses) is the "bread winner"... though my dad (an ironworker) has a great job as well, she brings home more than my father. The same situation applies to myself (I work for municipal government)... I make more money than my husband (who works for county government) even though he has a great job as well. Now, take that back to my parent's parents... both of my grandmothers worked for some time, but spent a great deal of time at home as well. So, comparing then from now... I can see the difference.
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:05 am
starknut Wind_Of_Faith "Should women be allowed in the military, even though relationships may start and cause distractions?" Ehhhh...this is kind of a weird question, I think. Doesn't it seem a little...archaic? I mean, "omg, women might be a distraction! what with all their lady bits all over the place, who can concentrate on work?" just doesn't fly. Relationships are a part of life, and the military has rules in place to try and make sure that there's no overt weirdness going on. Of course, you're always going to have the oddball officer messing around with an enlisted member, but if you're any kind of professional, you'll take a step back and remind yourself that you're there to do a job, not bang the secretary. I agree, back maybe 30-40years ago when women were still either seen as only whores or only "kitchen bitches" yes we were seen as a so called distraction we were good for nothing but our assigned role as a female which was to serve and make sure our male counterpart was happy and well nourished etc. These days however alot of things have changed women are working, women are in the military granted they're not allowed on the front line but instead in armored core divisions, not for sexual slurs and that we "need more protection" but as alot of people dont see, women are the ones that carry the offspring, its takes 1 man to populate pretty much the world, where as women have the 9 month wait, blah blah blah and after a while say 20 kids women can become infertile or become high risk if thye do fall pregnant due to the strain the previous 20 kids have had on her. (Im australian and my father is in the military sorry for any rambling however this is a debate guild so meh) starknut Wind_Of_Faith "Are men the 'money makers' in soceity?" It would seem so: Women often earn less than their male counterparts. On the contrary i know here in australia women and men earn exactly the same thing. Before WWII women werent allowed to work, they all had to stay at home, look after the kids, make sure dinner was on the table when the man got home etc etc, then when the war came around so many men went to WWII that the women HAD to work, however it wasnt the same pay even though they were doing the same job as a man. The 1970's was a big thing for australian women, because we earned rights we earned the right to be payed the same amount of money for the same job that a man does. starknut Obscurus I don't think that either sex is overall better than the other. Each has things that they have been designed to perform better than the other so it's hard to compare them on those things. Exactly. Men are biologically built to be stronger and more muscular, while women are built for endurance. Women are physiologically less susceptible to pain than men. Neither sex is "better" than the other, they are just made differently, because their bodies do different things. Exactly. I'd also like to add that its not just our bodies that do different things but our minds as well. I'd like to also share this story: On my yr 11 camp last year (it was an activity camp), one day the activity was a series of problem solving puzzles, th egroup of about 18-20 was divided into 2 smaller groups, the group i was in came to each puzzle, assessed it, talked about it, tried a plan, then if the plan failed, discussed it again until we solved the puzzles. The other group however was alot of yelling, alot of fighting and alot of calling each other "stupid idiots". It just so happened to be that the group i was in was primarily female with only 3 boys, the other group however was mainly male. Now i dont want to sound sexist or anything but fella's its been proven that women do have better logic and problem solving skills compared to that of men. Now you may say what about einstein, edison, bell, etc they were all famous inventors and all male, however i say remember that was 100-200 maybe even 300-400 years ago and alot changes over time including states of mind.
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:16 am
We're different, and if anyone said either is better it'd be an opinion and not a fact. In my eyes, we're equal.
Men are the money makers though, we get paid more for our time than women.
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Sand From The Future(GTD)
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:10 pm
Sand From The Future(GTD) We're different, and if anyone said either is better it'd be an opinion and not a fact. In my eyes, we're equal. Men are the money makers though, we get paid more for our time than women. Well that isnt always true. Look at some of the more succesful women with better occupations then men. Or the work credibility, ethic, and productivity.
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:57 pm
Kanon Vilente Sand From The Future(GTD) We're different, and if anyone said either is better it'd be an opinion and not a fact. In my eyes, we're equal. Men are the money makers though, we get paid more for our time than women. Well that isnt always true. Look at some of the more succesful women with better occupations then men. Or the work credibility, ethic, and productivity. And also keep in mind not everyone on the planet is american either, like i said in my post above, here in australia women and men get paid equally
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:24 pm
I agree that there are differences between all sexes, but no one brought up the whole, "Women can live without men, unlike men who cannot live without women."
In the debate that we had in class, there was no "middle" so you either had to go on this side or the other, which makes things different here. But women did win a few points when I said, "Scientists found a way to turn something in women," ((I read this awhile back, I don't remember the detauks)) "which can turn what women need to create offspring, so now women can live without men, which makes women supior than women, for now women can work which means they can keep their families well, and they can create offspring without any men"
I just wanted to bring this out, for all you guys are focussing are the questions I already put out and not coming out that much.
I am simply asking, "With all this changes, are women or men supior overral?" yes, there are differences, but if you ignore that and only see their "roles" in soceity what can you come up with?
I am not sure if I clarified it enough, if thats the case please tell me and I clarify again
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:06 pm
This is one of those issues that is messy at best.
however, i do not believe that eithor gender is better then the other. In some species, that may be true. However, in Homo sapian sapian i do not feel that is the case.
Socially, yet again i do not feel that eithor gender is better. In this day and age, both genders have equal oppratunity. the sciences are about equial in gender distribution. Ethnically, caucasians have it hard, but that's a different dead horse to flog.
Finally, genetically speaking, the Y chromosome is shrinking. if we manage to survive another 5 million years as a species, it will be gone entirely. So, wouldn't that suggest that Women are better then men?
just a thought
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 7:55 pm
Wind_Of_Faith "Are men better than women overral?" The simple answer is no. Men are not better than women. Each is special in their own rights. I'll admit to being fairly week physically but I know that I have some talent that other's don't have. Wind_Of_Faith "Should women be allowed in the military, even though relationships may start and cause distractions?" Considering that I'm an American, isn't America the land of the free? Why would you purposely deny the right to females to join the military? It would be similar to denying men the right to be nurses. Relationships will start when they start and it's pretty hard to stop them. Wind_Of_Faith "Are men the 'money makers' in soceity?" For me, this is a load of bull. I'd rather have my own job than constantly rely on a guy for my needs. After all, what happens when that guy leaves me for whatever reason? Then again, I was always a bit independent...
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:39 pm
Neither male nor female is better than the other. Each has their hysical strong points.
Women most certainly should be allowed into the military and be allowed to be on the front lines. We should not have lower physical standards, but rather a test geared towards our physical make-up (perhaps even on an individual basis for both men and women though that might be impractical). Our strength does not generally lie in the heavy lifting. It does in the manipulation of our muscles and the flexibility of our muscles.
As for relationships? Men wishing to save a woman? Training. Train the soldiers in self control. If they cannot control themselves, they should not be fighting. Why must we limit our forces to only straight males?
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As for men being the money makers, they generally are the ones with higher income I believe, bot not always. They occupy more of the higher positions than women do, but they are available to us. There is no reason wh a woman should ever have to depend on a male to bring in the money as she has the opportunity to make it herself.
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Sand From The Future(GTD)
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:12 pm
Demonic_Angel_89 Kanon Vilente Sand From The Future(GTD) We're different, and if anyone said either is better it'd be an opinion and not a fact. In my eyes, we're equal. Men are the money makers though, we get paid more for our time than women. Well that isnt always true. Look at some of the more succesful women with better occupations then men. Or the work credibility, ethic, and productivity. And also keep in mind not everyone on the planet is american either, like i said in my post above, here in australia women and men get paid equally I'm Australian too. Looking through the introduction thread, the majority of the members are American, so I didn't really feel the need to specify that I was talking about America, my bad.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:15 am
Sand From The Future(GTD) Demonic_Angel_89 Kanon Vilente Sand From The Future(GTD) We're different, and if anyone said either is better it'd be an opinion and not a fact. In my eyes, we're equal. Men are the money makers though, we get paid more for our time than women. Well that isnt always true. Look at some of the more succesful women with better occupations then men. Or the work credibility, ethic, and productivity. And also keep in mind not everyone on the planet is american either, like i said in my post above, here in australia women and men get paid equally I'm Australian too. Looking through the introduction thread, the majority of the members are American, so I didn't really feel the need to specify that I was talking about America, my bad. Its all good, glad to see another free minded intelligent australian out there
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:42 pm
GemEncrustedEarth Wind_Of_Faith "Should women be allowed in the military, even though relationships may start and cause distractions?" Considering that I'm an American, isn't America the land of the free? Why would you purposely deny the right to females to join the military? It would be similar to denying men the right to be nurses. Relationships will start when they start and it's pretty hard to stop them. I never said I didn't want women to be in the military, the question was simply brought up in the debate and I wanted something other than the usual "Women should be able to be the military for they have the same right about... blah blah..." I simply wanted something to actually prove that men wont start being "distracted" by others (that including men) I am not against women, so please don't point at me Yes, this is supposely the land of the free, but what kind of land of the free kicks out its own people? Not much "land of the free" there? Anyway, thats off topic... The point of the question is that people actually get distracted from whatever they are doing because of relationships, and that has been a case for soldiers in the army I am not against women going there, just pointing out what some guy said to prove that women aren't suppose to go to war But had anyone pointed the bad side of all this? Now that women work they cannot attend their children, which can be bad for they don't know what the kids are doing, weither it is bad or good. There are more, but I just leave it as that...
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