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Do you think that homosexuality should be "banned"?
  No - I think everyone has the right to love whomever they choose
  Yes - I think homosexuality is wrong
  I don't necessarily agree with homosexuality but I don't think that homosexuals should be discriminated against
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Ariana Neatsoula

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:50 am


As a wiccan I believe in harmony and love. I have a lot of love in my heart for the lord and lady as well as other people. I do not discriminate. I just don't have it in me to. I believe that everyone should have the right to love whomever they choose. What do you believe? I have a feeling this is going to be a lot less evil than this post I found in the Gaia Extended Discussion:



-SexyNini
This subject in no way reflects my personal belief on this matter.
As we all know Homosexuals are looking for the right to Same sex marriage in all of America. As I was speaking to a coulple of our fellow Gaians (whose names I will not mention) they brought up this interesting fact. "If homosexuals are allowed to marry, what is next". What they ment by this is that after they get their right to marry will they try to impose on other aspects of our society such as children shows, out door festivities, governement etc. I will not say wether or not I have a problem with them marrying one another, because I am not here to disscuss my opinion but to find out your take on this matter. These gaians did have some what of a point. Once they get the first thing that they want what's to say they wont go for more.

I know this example is quite cheesy but they mentioned that "Spongebob square pants" was based on homosexuality, if you watch the show you will get a few hints on that. The creators of "Sponge Bob Square Pants" are Homosexuals and the voice of the character Spongebob is a Homosexual as well. Where I'm going with this is just to say that they've gotten a few things already that get to the minds of our younger peers, so what if they were to get more?


Discuss-What do you think will happen after homosexuals get the right to marry and advance further in our nation, as their presence becomes more prominent in other aspects of our society will heterosexuals whom are against gays make a bigger s**t about it than they did with the right to marry.

Points of reference (for those of you who wanted to bull s**t about the whole spongebob thing although that is not the real point of discussion)

"In a new video to be distributed to 61,000 schools across the nation, homosexual activists are using popular children's TV characters such as SpongeBob SquarePants and Barney the dinosaur to surreptitiously indoctrinate young children into their lifestyle, a pro-family activist group charges. "

I did not make up the URL all though I do find it ironic

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/Sodomy/spongebob_and_homosexuality.htm

Spongebob not "intended" to be gay
http://www.gay.com/news/article.html?2005/01/28/2

here
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0120-07.htm

these links may not be very solid proof, but it does give some of you more information.

Thank you captain calamity for finding the exact web site w/ the video
http://www.gaiaonline.com/gaia/redirect.php?r=http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/multimedia/v/spongebob.htm
In addition
I noticed that many of you have been saying"Who cares if two men in like a state half way across america get married it wont effect me I don't know them." that's what you say now, but will you feel the same once they are right next door to you? When everytime you pass a church it's a gay marriage cerimony? When your whole community is filled with homosexuals and you are getting hit on by people you aren't interested in just because they are homosexual and they "like you".

Many don't seem to realize how many homosexuals there are in the world. 1-100-1,000-10,000-1,000,000 s**t adds up. No i'm not saying that the homosexual population will more then double, but i'm more contradicting the unlikely hood that if there are no homosexuals near you that that will remain the same. You may not think there aren't any near you, but soon there may be. Will you still feel the same? think about that.

"The Old Testament clearly states that "a man shall not lie with another man, as well as a woman shall not lie with another woman, for it is an abomination to God (Leviticus 18:22)."
http://media.www.dailylobo.com/media/storage/paper344/news/2004/02/26/Opinion/Letterbible.Tells.Us.Homosexuality.Is.Wrong-619493.shtml

could this be true or just a misinterpretation?


Usually I don't do this flaming stuff buuuut....You are very pigheaded.

Leave your stupid bible OUT of this matter. it's seperation of CHURCH and state. Not to mention that not everyone is christian. What IS it with you ******** christians thinking you have the right to police everyone and judge them according to YOUR ******** beliefs?

"what rights will they be asking for next?" WTF kind of question is that? EVERYONE has the right to basic human rights. They should have all the same rights as every other person. PERIOD. Who they ******** is not any one else's business. it doesn't affect what they do in society. They still work, buy groceries, have parties with friends, and contribute to their communtiy just like you so called "NORMAL" people. One of my best friends is gay. He is one of the BEST people I know and you are telling me that he hasn't got a right to love because of what YOUR "god" says in some stupid book that a bunch of MEN wrote years ago? If we are following the bible does that mean that women are inferior to men? That we should bow down and be subserviant and worship them like good little house wives? I THINK NOT! I gaurentee you if that ******** book was used to keep your stupid a** from doing over HALF of the freedoms you enjoy on a daily basis you'd be singing a different tune.

As for the "gays hitting on us" I don't know about you but I get hit on by straight guys who are ******** REVOLTING to me. Should we enforce a law that forces revolting people only to hit on other revolting people? Getting unwanted sexual attention happens at some point in EVERYONE'S life. WHo gives a s**t if they are same sex? You'd handle it the same way you do everything else "no thank you I'm taken" OMG that was SOOOO ******** hard. You are just looking for something to hate and judge so that YOU can be self righteous in the eyes of your "god." why don't you go outside and play hide and go ******** yourselves.

You people disgust me.


I know I went a little overboard...but it is topics like that that bother me. Normally I wouldn't even bother...but you know these right wing conservative christians run a LOT in the White house. Like president Bush. He thwarted the whole seperation of church and state by adding into his campaign to try and get rid of gays. He gave many speeches and lectures about why it's wrong and those people are going to the christian hell. WTF?! Why isn't he worring more about something like terrorism or stopping the war overseas...or even our BUDGIT which is billions of dollars in debt.

Anyways I am not proud of how angry I got but I wonder if other wiccans feel the way I do?
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:09 am


Right on sister!!!! It's people like that, that make me think that compassion for other people's right to life is seriously faulting. I think that everyone has a right to their own opinion, but I also believe that their was a better way that that person could have presented it in a better manner, a much nicer way.

Morgaana


Wiccan_Boy _1990

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:29 pm


i agree with you too because i am actually gay, but i do alsop beleive that everyone has a right to love whoever they want.if i respect them i also kind of expect them to respect my beleifs in return.
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:50 pm


rock on!

Morgaana


Dragoness Arleeana

Eloquent Hunter

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:20 pm


w00t!! Nice response! wink
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:00 pm


:3 Well put! I wonder if there will ever be a day that all people have common sense.

Cicadaz in ur strudelz


Tari_Leralonde

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:13 pm


*high fives* xd
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:52 pm


You said it a lot better than i would have

Nyxon Black

Sparkly Genius


La-MoonSquid

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:06 pm


Well said!!
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:51 pm


Well YAY I am feeling the love! <3

: dances :

Ariana Neatsoula


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:40 am


It's alright, Ariana; we all get fired up over something. In fact, I can see my reaction being nearly the exact same as yours. I do believe Christians have too much power, especially in the political world. Though I'm not American, I do believe your coins say on them, "In God we Trust"?

Doesn't that kind of negate the whole "religious freedom" they spoke of over there? By stating that on their coin, they are leaving out everyone else who is not of the Christian faith. Politics and religion should not intertwine; at all.

I have a very low opinion of Bush, by the way; I can't believe someone that stupid can run a country; a child could do a lot better.

Christians (the better majority of them, anyway) seem to believe that even though we don't believe in their proverbial "hell", we're still going there.

You manifest your own beliefs; that is what I have grown to figure out. If you believe in hell, then it's real...but if you don't, you're in no danger of visiting it anytime soon.

Half of them have their heads up their asses; I wonder if rleigious tolerance will ever completely be? Or will we always have a few morons in the ranks?
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 10:08 am


Video This is a youtube video. It's not focused on gay people but it mentions it as well as acceptance.

I think we are a mostly accepting people because gay marriage doesn't harm anyone and that fits the rede.

dragonwings87


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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:32 pm


dragonwings87
Video This is a youtube video. It's not focused on gay people but it mentions it as well as acceptance.

I think we are a mostly accepting people because gay marriage doesn't harm anyone and that fits the rede.


True, true. But, you will find even narrow-minded Wiccans, sadly. Not many, but some.
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:35 pm


Rebel_Dynasty
dragonwings87
Video This is a youtube video. It's not focused on gay people but it mentions it as well as acceptance.

I think we are a mostly accepting people because gay marriage doesn't harm anyone and that fits the rede.


True, true. But, you will find even narrow-minded Wiccans, sadly. Not many, but some.

There's narrow-minded people in every belief system. You really can't escape it, but it's easier to avoid in some belief systems than others.

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Mermie

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:31 pm


I respect gays and have nothing against them, but I just find it... unnatural to be attracted to the same sex sweatdrop But whatever, you should not rule yourself with other people's opinion 3nodding .
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