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Sephiroth Incarcina Night
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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:54 am
look, i know im harsh at times. im only being truthful
fact 1 you should be scared if your new to the craft. there are some people that get upset by their own accusations like quite a few people in this guild here. i say this because alot of people, even those whom you want to trust, and even then alot of people you trust misconstrue things, turn on you and end up making you lok and feel like a fool./'- my aim here is to help you prevent that as much as possible.
my latest response to this kind of crap, are love threats. sounds gay and such but heck it works sometimes...maybe? ninja - corny but im hoping they do not take it offensively because they need to cool their jets before they blows up in the docking bay.
fact 2. there is always going to be someone, or some group stronger than you. if you find yourself in trouble, be wise and make no move and ask for help. we will help you here. if we can.- some say making no move is not good, make your own decision.
fact 3. if you decide to harm others, your going to get what you deserve- this includes their image.- i count personal image as harming people because it alters their mental state for a time. but some do not. and as it is a personal belief i wont hold people to it.
fact 4 if you don't like harsh reality, well i guess you don't like it. but if you cant handle it. there are mroe than one way to skin a cat, just as there is mroe than one way to tell you the cold hard facts.
and my favorite
fact5 if you don't want to ask questions about something you dont understand, then don't try to learn anything. there are alot of things people mix up and misunderstand!
and again im going to credit me and arleeanas dispute. which happened about a month ago. i never intended to sound threatening but she refuses to admit that i have hence apologized, and tried to make amends for such a 'threatening' sounding post. which happened to entail me being attacked and trying to locate and root out any attacker. and thereby crossing off this guild in my list of possible sources.
but seriously ask questions and get to know people. but dont let yourself be subjugated for that can lead to you having problems further down the road. if you dont feel right about something ask questions. i know that my posts will either be deleted or edited by some mod, but heck i guess thats her/his priority, but then again im going to keep a copy of this post, so if it comes down to it, i can edit and repost it. so its not ' so offensive' thanks for reading this and as for begging for mercy. i dont do that. i try to set things straight and make an even playing field within the rules. i don't operate outside.
goodnight, blessed be.
Sin
p.s.and a notice to all beginners. you need to be aware im not going to sugar coat anything for you. im going to give it to you straight and without false truths. yo deserve that. im also going to offer you help for what i can for those that need it. i am trying to respect you by treating you as an equal and helping you overcome your obstacles.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 6:13 am
Sephe....
Although I agree on something, beginners should not be FRIGHTENED, but more CAREFUL. People see things on t.v and try to do them, well guess what I've yet to see a show that completely shows exactly how magic or "the craft" as some people call it works. Don't go into something thinking you can do it, most of the time you can't or you won't know exactly what to do once you get through it.
Everything you do has a reaction. You make it rain, you keep some people from getting out, or getting home on time. So on and so forth.
If you want to do something, research it from all angles, or ask someone you know, or someone in the guild for help as many people have.
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Sephiroth Incarcina Night
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:36 am
which is why i made this topic. i dont seem to recollect anything like this in here, and as such boom made it. yes i guess people should not be frightened. but should know the possibilities of what can happen. in that respect i guess i over-guesstimated the proper words. but i believe i was close.
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:56 pm
Sephiroth Incarcina Night look, i know im harsh a times. im only being truthful fact 1 you should be scared if your new to the craft. there are some people that get upset by their own accusations I don't think people should be scared but meh, I like how Angel No More phrased it so I won't repeat/ I don't know if I agree with people getting upset by their own accusations because I don't know what you mean. Could you elaborate? Quote: fact 2. there is always going to be someone, or some group stronger than you. if you find yourself int rouble, be wise and make no move and ask for help. we will help you here. I agree that there is always someone out there who is better than you. I don't think that staying put when you're in trouble is always the way to go. Sometimes the whole reason your in trouble is because you're not moving. I mean a lot of times I feel like moving, even in the wrong direction is better than staying put in something that isn't working. I also think it is highly presumptious to think that this guild or anyone else can help. It doesn't usually hurt to ask for help, but I think that is something a person has to be able to judge for themselves. Sometimes it's best to go it alone. Sometimes a person isn't comfortable asking for help and a lot of the time there isn't anything anyone can do. Quote: fact 3. if you decide to hamr others, your going to get what you deserve- this includes their image. That's not a fact at all. Its completely some new agey opinion that everyone wants to be a rule. I don't agree with that "fact" at all. Maybe its comforting to think its true but I'd love to see someone prove or disprove that one. It would be like proving or disproving god or the possiblities of the afterlife. Quote: fact 4 if you dont like harsh reality, well i guess you dont like it. but if you cant handle it. there are mroe than one way to skin a cat, just as there is mroe than one way to tell you the cold ahrd facts. What's this mean? Quote: and my favorite fact5 if you dont want to ask questions about something you dont understand, thn dont try to learn anything. there are alot of thigns people mix up It's not just about asking questions though. It's also about presenting yourself and what you are trying to say appropriately. It is easy to misinterpret someone on the internet. I don't think you can take this as a sign that someone doesn't want to learn or ask a question until you've elaborated and are sure that that person has had ample time to understand you. Also just because you don't want to learn everything doesn't mean you aren't interested in learning some specific things. Blanket statements aren't always the best. I know that assumptions are a hot button for you Seph, but you've got to remember that communication is all based on a certain degree of assumptions. IF you don't want your words misinterpreted then take the time to make them clear and realize that it really is easy to have some form of miscommunication go on. Quote: p.s.and a notice to all beginners. you need to be frightened im not going to sugar coat anything for you. im going to give it to you straight and without false truths. yo deserve that. im also going to offer you help and block what i can for those tha tned t. not much more unless i really like you. but some people, are not capable of being such a person im assuming, and as such they sugarcoat things. i am trying to respect you by treating you as an equal and helping you overcome your obstacles. and she seems to be treating you like children. im not tolerating that ...but a good portion of the guild members are technically children. We have a decent amount of under legal adults at the guild. Also I don't think anyone has been treated like a child. Another question, who has given you "false truths"? When has anyone in this guild given you a false truth? We offer opinions and information that we've found, but really not much more here. I don't think anyone has given something I'd call a false truth.
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Sephiroth Incarcina Night
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:16 am
blindfaith^_^ Sephiroth Incarcina Night Quote: my ltest reponse is by threatening her with love.- corny but im hoping she does not take it offensively because she needs to cool her jets before she blows up in the docking bay. Yes in that same post that you "threatened" to love her you called her a half wit and infantile. You also called her a b***h and accused her a picking a fight with you when she hadn't adressed you. I'm not sure why you keep referencing other threads in this thread though. Why not start fresh? Well, i would like pointing that out hwoever the thread YOU locked, ahs mgicaly didssappeared. i mean seriously i would LOVE to, but no, its gone somehow and i almost almost wonder why i mean i want to show you, but i cant because its not longer in the main forum section, nor in any of th eothers i have found. Quote: I also think it is highly presumptious to think that this guild or anyone else can help. It doesn't usually hurt to ask for help, but I think that is something a person has to be able to judge for themselves. Sometimes it's best to go it alone. Sometimes a person isn't comfortable asking for help and a lot of the time there isn't anything anyone can do. well as much as i agree that its not always possible to help. people can however try to help and thus affect the first person in a manner so that they figure out what needs to be done and how. its not impossible and the unlikelyness of it happening is the same as you or anyone else, being totallly nice for one full day. Quote: fact 3. if you decide to harm others, your going to get what you deserve- this includes their image. That's not a fact at all. Its completely some new agey opinion that everyone wants to be a rule. I don't agree with that "fact" at all. Maybe its comforting to think its true but I'd love to see someone prove or disprove that one. It would be like proving or disproving god or the possiblities of the afterlife. - so what, karma affects no one now faith? i means eriously you harm someone your goign to get it back and personally i see it as including their image harm none you know. and i translate that to any way.Quote: and my favorite fact5 if you dont want to ask questions about something you dont understand, thn dont try to learn anything. there are alot of thigns people mix up I know its a terrible joke and I'm flirting with the line myself but I don't see why you feel the need to inist that you've been wrongly singled out. The whole thing is over and dealt with. The only one who won't let it go is you. It's not like it was even really that big a deal.- nwwell then why the hell did she go and bring it back up? im fine with letting the dead lay in thei grave and old things die. but i will not let thigns die when they keep getting brought up.Quote: i know that my posts will either be deleted oredited by some certain stuck up mod, but heck i gues thats her/his priority, bt then again im going to keep a copy of this post, so if it comes down to it, i can edit and repost it. so its not ' so offensive' tanks for reading this and as for begging for mercy. i dont do that. i try to set things straight and make an even playing field within the rules. i dont operate outside. You haven't said anything offensive, I just don't know why you think its cool to continue a grudge match with one of the other guild members. I also think its really shitty that you've used this poorly created thread topic as a thinly disguised way to attack another member of this guild. - honestly it did not start out that way, and eys i suppose it is shitty. but one suckerpunch deserves another faith. and no i dont expect to play fair with people who like the rules to not apply to themselves. as well as othersIn my personal opinion and not my moderator one I'd suggest that you edit your posts so that its actually advice for people new to magic and not basically a thread where you talk about your personal problems with one user. But hey that's me.- i will but not tonight fear ahs got me scared shitless, so im guessing itll be tommorrow, just give me some time im going to go to school again. kk?Quote: p.s.and a notice to all beginners. you need to be frightened im not going to sugar coat anything for you. im going to give it to you straight and without false truths. yo deserve that. im also going to offer you help and block what i can for those tha tned t. not much more unless i really like you. but some people, like arleeana are not capable of being such a person im assuming, and as such they sugarcoat things. i am trying to respect you by treating you as an equal and helping you overcome your obstacles. and she seems to be treating you like children. im not tolerating that ...but a good portion of the guild members are technically children. We have a decent amount of under legal adults at the guild. i was considering the pubescent ones, around thirteen or such. and im certain that while they are children, and can be frightened easily ( which i apologize for if you really DO get scared crapless) there will likely be those that think they are top s**t. ( like i used to when i wsa 13) and they NEED NEED to realize that not everything is going to be easy for them, and they can step on the toes of pretty strong and faceless people, easily. and i dont want them getting hrut from igorance-much less anything else.Also I don't think anyone has been treated like a child. Alreena, like all the other staff only is trying to do what she thinks is right according to how she interprets the rule. We have to keep in mind that these rules are new and that the staff is new. You can't master it all in one day. nor do I expet anyone to. but what i DO expect is maturity and a decent ATTEMPT at going by the rules rather than personal pinions and angst. which should have ben what you were told when you were made mod. not that id know. BUT however im sure that warnings can be given and i actually agree with that. and if abanning would happen a chance at...return would be agreeable. and i hold/judge others by the same bar i judge myself..well actually a lower standard. until someone makes mea ggravated. then its the same bar. and usually the one person.Another question, when has Arleena given you "false truths"? When has anyone in this guild given you a false truth? We offer opinions and information that we've found, but really not much more here. I don't think anyone has given something I'd call a false truth. and as for the false truth thing. i was mentionig that because i have found alot of people. no not necessarily i this guild or anything, btu rather people who write books on magic, without knowing more than what a circle actually is. and thinking they jknow al. or people who like to think they're top s**t and nothing els ematters but themselves. and then there are people who just try and trick you for their own growth. which i think is ******** foolish. so no thats not from this guild experience but from past experiences. and i wanted to make sure i put it in here. my replies i have put in bold and sometimes italic. but like i said i need to go to bed so that i can go to schol for the first time in 4 months. goonight ill edit these posts first tihing tommorrow afternoon. right now its 3 am, so about this time tommorrow afternoon-twelve hours/ i should be able to edit them. so yeah..ill get to it asap blindfaith. goodnight
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:33 am
i edited it pretu much. if there are still questions about it, relax jsut bring it up to me abnd ill go over it a third tie with a fine toothed omb.- and look i even fixed my typos! lol. but seriously calm down. its for the newer people and i figure that this is a pretty good guide for newbs to magic
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Sephiroth Incarcina Night
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:30 pm
Sephiroth Incarcina Night so what, karma affects no one now faith? i means eriously you harm someone your goign to get it back and personally i see it as including their image harm none you know. and i translate that to any way. Karma isn't a fact though or something all people who do magic beleive in. Also karma doesn't mean that "if you di something bad it will come back to you" that's the law of return or the three fold law. Karma actually has no context outside of the word dharma and it won't affect you until after you're dead. Plus it might be someone's dharma to be an a*****e and in that way they would actually incarnate into a higher being for being a jerk. Quote: i was considering the pubescent ones, around thirteen or such. and im certain that while they are children, and can be frightened easily ( which i apologize for if you really DO get scared crapless) there will likely be those that think they are top s**t. ( like i used to when i wsa 13) and they NEED NEED to realize that not everything is going to be easy for them, and they can step on the toes of pretty strong and faceless people, easily. and i dont want them getting hrut from igorance-much less anything else. See, I don't think trying to scare someone makes them more careful. I mean look at the D.A.R.E. program in the USA. We've all been through it and its told us a bunch of horror stories about drugs and no one is making smarter decisions. I think just telling people the facts and letting them go as they see fit is probably the best way to handle those sort of things, but that's just me.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:41 pm
I'd love to be freinds with you Seph, but when you told me to go ******** myself with my own mothers p***s, all hope was lost. You did threaten people, you said that if you found out that it was anyone in this guild you would severely hurt them and that you've done so to others in the past. I would happily accept your apology, accept YOU won't let it go, YOU keep bringing it up and YOU keep denying what happened.
See, when you tell people they should be afraid, they very well may become afraid and lose all heart in the Craft. I mean, what's there to be afraid of other than their own karma that they create? Of course there are always going to be people doing harmful magic that you might want to look out for, but don't be afraid. Fear is a hinderance and when one is afraid one can do nothing to end a curse, harmful spell or anyhting of that sort. Don't be afraid, there's nothing productive in it. Be brave and strong and look to the future as well as the problems at hand and how they can be resolved.
Seph, when you state an opinion you need to make it clearer, we can't read your mind and we don't know exactly what you're trying to say. It doesn't matter if you go back over and re-write everything you've posted. it's the original post that counts, because you MAY mean one thing, but we're going to take it as exactly what you say. It that argument we had a few months back you stated in your original post that you would hurt anyone who "stood in your way" or tried to harm you, which, as the old saying goes "two wrongs don't make a right" and so of COURSE some of us got angry, especially myself. I've dealt with people who have done harmful magic, there are FAR better ways than just attacking them back. The fact that you threatened people was unacceptable, as we are all represenatives of our own religion and you made it seem like it was perfectly ok to hurt people, which it's not. That's why I argued with you, because you were threatening people and seemed to have little knowledge about the powers and spells of which you were speaking, which is EXTREMELY dangerous.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 5:32 pm
gonk Seph I thought that you had decided to edit your first post to disclude mention of Arleena. I know you took it out the other day...did you just change it back?
As a side note Arleena, I have a small quibble. You may think its wrong to hurt others and it may be part of your religion, but it is not inherently part of all paths. Some paths demand retrobution for those who wrong you first. I can't think of a religion that demands you just hurt people, but there are religions that call on one to retaliate or even attack for specific reason.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:43 pm
blindfaith^_^ gonk Seph I thought that you had decided to edit your first post to disclude mention of Arleena. I know you took it out the other day...did you just change it back? As a side note Arleena, I have a small quibble. You may think its wrong to hurt others and it may be part of your religion, but it is not inherently part of all paths. Some paths demand retrobution for those who wrong you first. I can't think of a religion that demands you just hurt people, but there are religions that call on one to retaliate or even attack for specific reason. No I have not. in fact this is the first time ive been bck. just another instance of moderators abusing their whimsical power. it happens again and im goin to a gaia admin. m tired of this.
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Sephiroth Incarcina Night
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:55 pm
Sephiroth Incarcina Night blindfaith^_^ gonk Seph I thought that you had decided to edit your first post to disclude mention of Arleena. I know you took it out the other day...did you just change it back? As a side note Arleena, I have a small quibble. You may think its wrong to hurt others and it may be part of your religion, but it is not inherently part of all paths. Some paths demand retrobution for those who wrong you first. I can't think of a religion that demands you just hurt people, but there are religions that call on one to retaliate or even attack for specific reason. No I have not. in fact this is the first time ive been bck. just another instance of moderators abusing their whimsical power. it happens again and im goin to a gaia admin. m tired of this. What did I do? You said it had been edited, I assumed it was and moved on.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:07 pm
blindfaith^_^ Sephiroth Incarcina Night blindfaith^_^ gonk Seph I thought that you had decided to edit your first post to disclude mention of Arleena. I know you took it out the other day...did you just change it back? As a side note Arleena, I have a small quibble. You may think its wrong to hurt others and it may be part of your religion, but it is not inherently part of all paths. Some paths demand retrobution for those who wrong you first. I can't think of a religion that demands you just hurt people, but there are religions that call on one to retaliate or even attack for specific reason. No I have not. in fact this is the first time ive been bck. just another instance of moderators abusing their whimsical power. it happens again and im goin to a gaia admin. m tired of this. What did I do? You said it had been edited, I assumed it was and moved on. no, the mention of arleeana in my first post. im sure i got rid of everything. and im not accusing you blind. your post seemed too innocent
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Sephiroth Incarcina Night
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:03 pm
blindfaith^_^ gonk Seph I thought that you had decided to edit your first post to disclude mention of Arleena. I know you took it out the other day...did you just change it back? As a side note Arleena, I have a small quibble. You may think its wrong to hurt others and it may be part of your religion, but it is not inherently part of all paths. Some paths demand retrobution for those who wrong you first. I can't think of a religion that demands you just hurt people, but there are religions that call on one to retaliate or even attack for specific reason. Like I told Seph in a pm we've got going on, I've not got a problem with the actual violence, but that he threatened us out of the blue without ever actually asking us about it or asking for help on finding the person and also that he said it in a manner that made it seem like it was perfectly ok and that there wern't any reprocussions and that it was easy and things like that, which is a problem because there are many beginner in this guild and I didn't think it right to state something so violent that those beginners may try, and since they wouldn't have much experience, they may end up hurting themselves. Because of the way it was presented is the reason I got so angry, because I'd never even spoken to him before and he was threatening me (anyone who read it could take it that way, though it wasn't at anyone specifically). The major reason I got mad though was because there are beginners here and I honestly don't want them trying something like that, when they of course wouldn't have enough experience to do it without hurting themselves or causing more harm than intended. And I don't see how the mods are abusing their powers by taking out mention of me. They didn't change the information, they just took out something that they found broke the TOS or guild rules. It could be taken as harassment or an attempted flaming remark, so they were doing their job by removing it. They could always just delete the entire thread, but I doubt they're going to do that if they can remove one line that doesn't change the information in any way.
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 7:13 pm
No, man. Abuse of your mod powersis doing something like hijacking your entire post and using it to write "I am gay" or something like that. It's their guild, they have every right to change posts to force them to comply with their rules. When I'm running a board, I expect everyone to post so that others can easily read their posts. If it looks like it was written by a 5-year-old, I'll edit it. If they continue, I'll ban them. If the mods don't want you throwing an insult at a random member in one of your posts, oh well, it's their rules. The admins would just laugh at you. Not saying it to be mean, it's true.
And Arleeana, I'm fairly sure you're the only one who hasn't forgiven Seph for his first thread in Gaia's metaphysical guild network. He gave an apology, so why not just drop it? If he's an a** to you, be mad at him for that, but not for something that was over and done with a month or more ago.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:12 am
Darin Rosewood No, man. Abuse of your mod powersis doing something like hijacking your entire post and using it to write "I am gay" or something like that. It's their guild, they have every right to change posts to force them to comply with their rules. When I'm running a board, I expect everyone to post so that others can easily read their posts. If it looks like it was written by a 5-year-old, I'll edit it. If they continue, I'll ban them. If the mods don't want you throwing an insult at a random member in one of your posts, oh well, it's their rules. The admins would just laugh at you. Not saying it to be mean, it's true.
And Arleeana, I'm fairly sure you're the only one who hasn't forgiven Seph for his first thread in Gaia's metaphysical guild network. He gave an apology, so why not just drop it? If he's an a** to you, be mad at him for that, but not for something that was over and done with a month or more ago. I've tried forgiving him, tried letting it go, he's the one who keeps bringing it up. Besides, I think me and him are on ok terms now, we've been discussing it in PM's.
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