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Flip of Darkstar Vice Captain
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 Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:15 am
First, a figure head must be chosen. Simply put, this plan will merely use me, for several reasons, ranging from my ability to give speeches, my attractive good looks, and a completely clean criminal record. Also, since this is a revolutionary concept, it would be fitting that not only am I female, but I also am relatively young compared to the majority of the world's politicians. The figurehead may change over time, but this hopefully will not be the case, except, of course, for death and retirement.
So, now that we have a figure head, a new name for "figure head" must be chosen. Instead of "Figure head Flip", let's go with "Lady Flip". This may not seem like that big of a change, but when one considers how important public opinion is, it might even be the fulcrum of this plan (though, I severly doubt that.)
Now, here's where all of you come in. Gaia is a large forum. Very large. If you convinced a person that I should be leader of the world, and that by pledging their allegiance to the Novos party early they will gain a great deal of power, and they then and went and convinced one person, soon all of Gaia would become the foundation of this organization. This is basically a form of personal advertisement, which is ultimately the most superior form. With all of us interconnected as we all are, convincing just one person may be all you have to do. What exactly are you convincing them of?
By ensuring that those who join early are granted special priveleges, we shall gain quite a great deal of members with varied ideals, ranging from the actual need to save the world or merely the need to gain personal power. Once we gain a large amount of members, we begin moving to other forums. Then, once a large base of members exist, we expand even further, with a focus towards non-internet recruits. We talk to people everywhere, convincing them that by merely pledging their assistance, they can get a great deal of benefits. This may seem too good to be true, but it is the same concept that has been used in previous political parties all throughout the ages, though most of the benefits were exclusive towards the politician members.
Once we have a great deal of members, we branch off into politics. Those who joined this plan in the very beggining will be given postions, and they will be voted in by our members. Each of our member politicians will not act completely independantly, and major orders will be handed down to them from higher ranks within the Novos party, similar to what occurs in our current political parties. Any country that utilizes voting in representatives can be used in this manner. Once we have political power, we also have political assets.
We can then keep on convincing people to join our group, which we will organize as a political party, though not just a single country party, but combining a somewhat international party. This unified party, known as the Novos party, will ultimately begin to not only shatter the political barriers that exist, but also to bypass certain regional difficulties, such as the United State's heavily politically "influenced" media and similar problems.
Our policy wil be simple, and rather straight forward. By actively reducing our own personal gain in light of helping others, we will ultimately be creating not only excellent public relations, but more importantly we will be essentially "buying" members, though our targets will be the poor, rather than the current political market, where the members that need to be purchased happen to be all rich. By obtaining members through extensive focused charities, we will be obtaining not only advertising assets, but further voting power. A rich man and a poor man's vote both count the same, even though it's far cheaper to "assist" a poor man.
After we gain a great deal of political power, we will then essentially obtain financial power. By allowing powerful companies to join us, we will not only recieve financial power, but other benefits, such as access to large consumer groups. Once we have enough financial power and political power, the most powerful of our party will run for the heads of every aspect of government. President, Prime Minister, Congress, Parliament, all will be under the Novos Party's influence.
Once we have several nations under our control, we will then use the military might, as well as financial capabilities. No country will dare oppose the Novos, in fear of having the most powerful nations attack them. By using our military, financial, and political might, as well as the concept that people will actually wish for this sort of change, especially within impoverished countries, the world's unification will be secure.
Once we have the world in our grasp, we will then change it to suit our needs. The people who joined earlier will be granted seniority, though that will not automatically translate into power. By utilizing proven hierarchal structure, with the elements of constant change and the "work your way up" concept (as opposed to a system in which any random actor can immediately become a governor), the goverment's of the world will be vastly improved, even with such minor, as opposed to drastic, changes.
If you take this plan seriously and convince others to do so too, then world unification will not seem impossible. All we need is members, and those can be quite easily gathered. With benefits for all mankind, it can even be considered an evil act NOT to join this plan.
We could do wonders. If we ruled the world, we could have peace (as far as nation vs. nation), we could destroy evil corporations and give the money to unfortunate people, we could do anything, and we could make the world a better place for everyone. Anything will be in our power. Imagine what an international leaugue of scientists could do.
The world is made up of people. If you control the people, you control the world. If other people can control the world, why can't you and I do it? What makes them so special?
We can do this. We can dominate the world. Pledge your allegiance to the Novos Party, and soon the very world will be in our grasp!
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 2:32 am
Sobek1337 Your plan is all well and good Flip, as many of yours are, but it has holes, big ones. Exactly what tools do we have to convince people to join besides power. I mean, sure a lot of people would like power, but how are you going to guarantee that to them? Eventually they'll realise that not every can have power and will perceive our organization as unfair and discriminatory. From this idea protest groups and rebels will rise against our organization to bring about their own rule. You tell them not to be greedy when you promise fame and fortune. You play with their greed and you shut down their civic virtue by giving them only a personal and material gain. I hereby opt that we formulate a party platform which will explain to people exactly what we do, why we do it, and how it will be done. This platform should be carefully discussed in all of its aspects to provide the most universally agreed upon ideas to attract members from all tracks of life. If we continue to use Flip's current plan we will fail, I can guarantee that, no offense intended.
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:20 am
Sobek1337 Aeridea Sobek1337 Your plan is all well and good Flip, as many of yours are, but it has holes, big ones. Exactly what tools do we have to convince people to join besides power. I mean, sure a lot of people would like power, but how are you going to guarantee that to them? Eventually they'll realise that not every can have power and will perceive our organization as unfair and discriminatory. From this idea protest groups and rebels will rise against our organization to bring about their own rule. You tell them not to be greedy when you promise fame and fortune. You play with their greed and you shut down their civic virtue by giving them only a personal and material gain. I hereby opt that we formulate a party platform which will explain to people exactly what we do, why we do it, and how it will be done. This platform should be carefully discussed in all of its aspects to provide the most universally agreed upon ideas to attract members from all tracks of life. If we continue to use Flip's current plan we will fail, I can guarantee that, no offense intended. Well, that recruitment plan is for those with a lot of greed. The other thing it promises is a better government than the current one. But do we really want greedy members? Greed leads to corruption in any group, and corruption is, ultimately, the thing which has the power to destroy all that we strive towards. Don't use greed as an incentive. If those driven by solely greed wish to enter our Party we should not allow it. Find some other means. I believe mistriss flip said something about how we can't be too picky, as one of our goals was to bring a large number of members. We would make them feel like they had power, so that they would be content and not rebel, and give the real power to those she deems trustworthy.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:28 am
Ok man I'm all for the plan and all, bit it has just 1 flaw. Noone will do it. Sure, we'll probably get alot of members, but none of them will recruit. I mean in all seriousness, could you see yourself out on a sidewalk asking the average american people to join the "Darkstar Party"? They'd think we were out of our minds! sweatdrop So great plan and all, we just need to find a good way to recruit.
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:44 am
Flarezio This plan does have its flaws, but I propose we go ahead and research previous attempts at world domination, such as the roman empire, the british empire, WW2, etc, and find the flaws in their plans, and use this information to construct our own plan. I believe we should promote a society of control, but tolerance. We can tolerate all cultures and ways of life, but we control ultimately. We could divide up the people incapable of tolerance of different people and put them together with others like them, so they do not feel as threatened. Teach children tolerance, caring, and listening skills at an early age, and make SURE they learn this, and they are not polluted by parents with discriminate views. If we could take control of the entertainment industry, we could influence the masses easily. I have some other ideas, but I oughta discuss them with my friend Kevin first so I can develop them more. The main flaw I have found was when the empires spread out too fast. Rome exceeded itself, and became lazy and fat. The same thing happened to Brtitain. Hitler made his mistake in attacking Russia. If he had finished Great Britain and then attacked Russia, we'd probably be living in a Nazi world. My main thing from these various attempts is that you must take it slowly, in moving too fast, everything that you worked for is gone. This is unrelated to the past attempts, but in countries with nuclear missles (US, UK, China, etc.) we should probably go for the peaceful takeover. Win the elections, and then "tweak" the lawws to be more to our liking.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:23 pm
fish_bait atomisk prime fish_bait atomisk prime mmm...i have took great thought into this subjuct, i could be a valubal asset to this organizaition, or a great enemy....mmm....i have decided i will think some more, but if i join this cause, i will never bow down to anyone...i will remain free! dude get over yourself really... you have no comprehention how far my mind goes, all i do is plan,plan,plan! all of my life i have been ready for anything, and that includes a situwaition such as this!!! that really is interesting but really dont over estimate yourself its bad for your health. i never over estimate! nor under estimate! i base my thoughts on what i know to be true.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:26 am
black_plastic_love atomisk prime you have no comprehention how far my mind goes, all i do is plan,plan,plan! all of my life i have been ready for anything, and that includes a situwaition such as this!!! And yet you have failed to give a reasons, explination, or evidence for any of your claims. Maybe you would benefit from planning your attacks on our organisation. As well as researching our motives and intentions. all of my life i draw out plans to invade or defend! and iv become qwite good at it. i also study the constitution and found many ways of makeing it better, and less corupt over time. so if you ever want to do the same then, take many years focusing on both, or get en expert like mwa. but i think i may decline the organizaition because i would most likely have little power and ppl wont take into considerizaition of what i say, even though it would be a nessesity.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:28 am
Rhidan atomisk prime Rhidan atomisk prime Puerilis Yay I was bored, I made a contribution!  Thats right. Bow down. Made it my self. you arnt ******** useing the wolf!!! use a lion of tiger insted! Why not? But the plan is for the better of man. If you cant see that you must be plain stupid. The only reason so many wars go on are because terrorists and holy wars and sometimes sycopaths like Stalin or Hitler. The plan will unite the world. Yes their will be some dictartorship most likely because of corruption but uniting the world will hopefully end holy wars. This way it lets Flip concentrate on getting rid of terrorism after the world is united what if you succeed, then what? i'll tell you what, civil wars, eventuwally someone will want to take control and of the empire and ppl will die. the only way to do this is to have two different countrys, with two big countrys it will balence out. oh, and if you plan on takeing away the freedom of ppl, you better expect a fight. But why cant they use a wolf? Also we arn't taking away freedom. Yes we will have power but everyone will still have free choice and probly all the constitution we'll be used to keep it from a dictatorship. Yes their will be fighting thats why I suggested an army. Read all the posts. because i love wolves with all my heart, and i canot alow you to use it with such little understanding of the creature.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:55 pm
Defunct Adjectives atomisk prime black_plastic_love atomisk prime all of my life i draw out plans to invade or defend! and iv become qwite good at it. i also study the constitution and found many ways of makeing it better, and less corupt over time. so if you ever want to do the same then, take many years focusing on both, or get en expert like mwa. but i think i may decline the organizaition because i would most likely have little power and ppl wont take into considerizaition of what i say, even though it would be a nessesity. Could it be because you have failed to give any example of this planning and strategising you have done? Please, if you believe that you know how to improve the constitution, make a thread in this guild about what changes should be made, and how they would improve it. why i havent gave any reason is because i was heisitent in helping this guild in anyway, shape or form. and i have decided that i am no intrested in being a folower, i am and will always remain a leader or a loner. if me and my group chose to help you cause we will remain an ally of darkstar, not a branch of it. with our two groups there will be cheack and balences. with both our orginizaitions in control, it would be a perfect world. if one of our gov. gets corrupt, the other country will be there to help them out, and vice versa smile i speak for all the sons of liberty when i say this can work. but it i up to flip of darkstar to confirm this allience...but for some reason i think she wants to rule the worl alone... neutral
The idea of having two separate groups is flawed. If one is corrupt, instead of simply accepting help from the other, wouldn't they, in their desire for power, declare war on the other group, claiming them to be the corrupt ones? More lives will be lost in an all out war than in a civil war. Of course, a single group is dangerous too for putting all its stock in one leadership. But if the leadership is one that's levelheaded and logical in both its rule and its assignment of power then isn't it possible to think that such logic could be preserved for several generations of power through the groups own logical process.
It's best to remember though that there is no "perfect" solution, only increasingly better ones.i know, what we need is something else, something i cant put my finger on...i feel so close to the soulution its killing me!!! what if...imean i know it sounds crazy, but what if...no...i know, we need a council, no president, no king, a council of which consisting of the greatest experts in their feild. there would be one for every section of the gov. and they each have eqwal power. hter would be like 30 of them. and they all contol the army. exept there would be a genaral who makes split second dissishons. and we should pick a select 10,00 ppl who are smart and inteligent and they will all vote for who they think they should be in what position, and the (lets call them the leaders) will all vote on vary importent dissidions, (the leaders will be the ones who are in control of their feild, the ones i mentiond earlyer).
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:41 pm
Sobek1337 It sounds good but this whole idea of a counsel at the top and more on the next level and so forth will create a bureaucratic pyramid in which legislation is next to impossible to pass and things will pass very, very slowly. Also, who is to say that the members at the top will always use their "logic" and "reasoning?" We're all human. And, being such a creature, we are always liable to utilize our personal interest over common good and will always be subject to the dangers of corruption and greed. We always will be. To safeguard these dangers the framers of the US constitution used the system of checks and balances and separated powers to check each persons ambition with ambition, vice with vice, and so forth. (If you're still reading thank you.) The framers had a very good point there and so far the US government is among the best out there. Our goal is to make it better so as to further safeguard against the dangers of corruption in our government officials. It's not entirely a bad thing to take ideas from the current governmental systems and integrate all the best qualities in them. Remember always, the true source of power comes from the people, not the government officials. Without the people we are nothing. In order to create as perfect a government as possible we must create a government which can be agreed upon by everybody and which can be extended not only here in the US but all throughout the world. Granted, the Greek's democratic system of government was among the best and responded well to the needs of the people, but it was only applicable to very small communities where everyone's needs could be heard. The British aristocracy worked well for a widespread nation but it was subject to the dangers of corruption and greed, thus the oppression of the American peoples. Today's US government has worked thus far but there are inconsistencies: some people are not protected, some government officials are corrupt and only respond well to the all mighty dollar, some legislation takes years to sort out and make passable. We cannot discredit the success of the US government thus far, but we must criticize it for all it's worst aspects and find means to improve upon those aspects. Therefore I opt that we use as republican a government as possible but that we also incorporate qualities of other governments to make it allowable for international rule so as to protect the rights of the people and to govern efficiently. (BTW Sorry this is so long but it needed to be said. Read it please.)
I agree with you in a system of checks an balances, that's an understandable idea. On the idea of a republic, rather the idea of, "by the people" though, you seem to think that all people are simply born with innate desires for certain things and are well capable of both obtaining them and keeping perfect consideration for others in the process. The fact that people don't have a good sense of another's well being is the entire basis for having a government and the basis for needing a world government. Greed doesn't just happen on leadership levels.
I really hate it when people say "need" unnecessarily though, there's very few things people actually need. People need food, water, and protection from the elements, not much else. Now once these initial conditions are met though, people then have wants. Though in truth, not fulfilling enough wants actually hurts another need I didn't mention prior; mental stability. Still, the basis for this fourth and often unmentioned need of mental stability is based on something as indecisive as wants.
To be blunt, wants are easily manipulated when subjected to a person's social environment, especially now. No longer does almost anyone fortunate enough to live in a 1st world country worry about the first three basic needs, the only remaining need is mental stability. This means that all remaining needs are solely based on something as easy to manipulated as wants.
Let me explain this through possibly the largest exploitation of wants there is, religions. Yeah yeah, I'm sure a few fundamentalists out there give the whole boo hiss to this idea but it's true, there's so many differentiating religions at least a few have to be way off. So take your pick of whatever wacky religion you can think of and imagine why exactly would people believe in it? Because they were told to, because they had fears and questions and someone gave them an answer and pretended to know what they were talking about. And that's not all either, there are even sneakier tactics than this, image association, repetition, etc. Take your pick, wants are easily manipulated.
So, when someone goes to the voting booth on election day, has he/she really weighed the issues and considered the true moral ramifications at stake? No! He's there because God said gays are evil. He's there because he thinks Bush is a monkey. Or for any other popular media/religious/word of mouth reason they've heard.
Either we need to make better voters or fewer but more qualified voters.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:27 pm
Zorya Smithwillsuffice... atomisk prime no one here is probly going to go through with the plan anyways...especaly with a satire leading you sweatdrop Death be upon thee for smearing the name of our great leader. If you don't think that we're serious in our attempts, there is no reason for you to be here. Agreed. Atomisk Prime, we are out to improve the world. If it needs to be under one leader, if that will work the best, so be it. If you want to fight us you will fail. We are out for good, and if you oppose us you stand for evil. We stand for freedom, in the form of a government that doesn't micro manage the lives of the people. I think. I forgot id we have a laissez-faire philosophy, ;;^_^ Anyways, we are for the plan, and no one can stop our burning desire to accomplish our goal to unify the world! We are going through with it! *logo waves in background* FREEDOM? you know nothing of the word!!! for freedom you need a gov. of the people, not one leader! if your plan succeeds we will be set back 200 years, to the time of kings, and teareny! you are wrong! i stand for good, i stand for choice and i stand for freedom!!! we are the people! if you do not change your plan to confoarm to freedom, me and the sons of liberty will fight you!!!...no we have not died, we did not end 150 years ago, we live with the true passion of freedom...that can never die! have you ever thought for a second, does the world want to be united? so if you do not change your ambitions then i will be forced to fight your unjustice!!!
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:32 pm
Zorya atomisk prime FREEDOM? you know nothing of the word!!! for freedom you need a gov. of the people, not one leader! if your plan succeeds we will be set back 200 years, to the time of kings, and teareny! you are wrong! i stand for good, i stand for choice and i stand for freedom!!! we are the people! if you do not change your plan to confoarm to freedom, me and the sons of liberty will fight you!!!...no we have not died, we did not end 150 years ago, we live with the true passion of freedom...that can never die! have you ever thought for a second, does the world want to be united? so if you do not change your ambitions then i will be forced to fight your unjustice!!! Christ, there is NO explaining this to you. I AM an american, dammit, raised with the same principles, and have some of the same beliefs. Born in the states, I know what freedom means. Do you watch the news? Do you see all the oppression and tyranny THERE? One HEAD, not so much leader as overseer, and one who can veto a desicion, like the current presidential government(Plus a few perks, i.e. anime on demand). We have choice, a damned good electoral system being planned. With an appointed council at the head, yes, but the power is distrubuted to the individual as well. How old are you, twelve? No, I have nothing against twelve-year-olds, i have problems with angsty self-righteous twelve year olds that have no freaking clue what they are TALKING ABOUT. ( okay, I'm 13, and only have a few resources in what I know as well, but I don't make such enthusiastic declarations of war against a political party that I willfully joined.) What do you suggest we do, eh? im not twelve, im older then you! im 14, and if anyone succeeds in ruling the world it will be chaos!!! i have no doubt that it will be good in the beginning...but it will become corrupt! no government in the history in the world hasn't become corrupt!!! little girls may not understand big things surprised but to put it into terms that you can understand... you no win, you make big no no. the best thing you can do is unite the world... not make it into one big country! And the no no bit was for calling me twelve! [Edited by your friendly neighborhood Crew member for grammatical errors. And while I'm at it I might as well post this little bit: please children, control yourselves. Atomisk, you're a very easily irritable person, which nobody really has any control over, not even yourself, but what you can control is how you express yourself. Simply put, find a more civil and coherent way to do it. We in the Darkstar Party seek to unify the world under one just and common cause, not to reign under one possibly tyrannical government. We are in this guild to compose a government which is less subject to the evils of tyranny, greed, and corruption; and being in our very early stages of development we are exploring the infinite possibilities, some better than others. Do not criticize us for not being capable of creating a universally acceptable government so quickly and with such limited communication (as we are on the internet and messages may be received only after extended periods of time). Either join us and ensure that the freedoms and rights of the people- which you so staunchly defend- are protected under one just world government or stand aside.] -Sobek1337
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:38 pm
Zorya 14? Certainly act below your age. But this is not the place for personal commentary. Alright, I'm really offended by the fact you think I'm an inferior "Little girl". But that's besides the point, once again. yes governments have become corrupt, as you say. Why do you think we're even out here? If the governments were fair, we wouldn't be out to unite and improve them, would we? And perhaps we see the "one big country" thing differently. I see one large unity of the globe, divided, and subdivided. You apparently see us renaming earth "Lady Flip & Associates." And I don't care of you're fourteen, twenty-four, or forty thousand years old, you have a distorted view of this organisation. Besides, I'm not alone, It's not just a few people, we are growing. Listen to Sobek1337, one of the best Darkstarians. the reason why i called you a little girl was because you called me twelve! and i act much more muchure then my age, and science proves that. also what i protest is the type of gov. you are proposeing for the new world. it has been done, and it has not worked! if you want to unite the world then fine, but the gov. you have chose is the wrong one. and it will become corrupt, and it will be hell for the citisans. mabe sobek should talk to me, it is useless talking to you...he is more open to ideas. and where is this beloved leader of yours? i havent seen her at all!!! mabe she also decided it was a bad idea.
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:16 pm
atomisk prime Smithwillsuffice... atomisk prime the reason why i called you a little girl was because you called me twelve! and i act much more muchure then my age, and science proves that. also what i protest is the type of gov. you are proposeing for the new world. it has been done, and it has not worked! if you want to unite the world then fine, but the gov. you have chose is the wrong one. and it will become corrupt, and it will be hell for the citisans. mabe sobek should talk to me, it is useless talking to you...he is more open to ideas. and where is this beloved leader of yours? i havent seen her at all!!! mabe she also decided it was a bad idea. If you wish, I shall be your verbal opponent. Throughout your arguments, you have continually stated that the government we would set up is wrong, and while you have backed up that statement with plenty of generalities, I've not seen a single specific example from you yet. Could you please provide one? As for our leader, no one here expects Flip to come in and moniter/post in topics every day. She has a life outside Gaia. first of all you arnt my oponent, im not here to argue. and giveing land of eqwal size to eveyone who helps her is a bad idea because after awile, someone will want alitle more compensaition for there doings. so they will argue and fight with someone else saying they want money or land from them because they dinint help enogh for the unity of the world. also all gov. eventuwaly become corrupt, and if that gov. rules the world then...well i'll leave it to your imaginaition. you are increadbly annoying with your constant telling us that we will sucumbed to greed. obvioulsy there are back plans and fail safes how stupid do you think we are.
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:03 pm
atomisk prime first of all you arnt my oponent, im not here to argue. and giveing land of eqwal size to eveyone who helps her is a bad idea because after awile, someone will want alitle more compensaition for there doings. so they will argue and fight with someone else saying they want money or land from them because they dinint help enogh for the unity of the world. also all gov. eventuwaly become corrupt, and if that gov. rules the world then...well i'll leave it to your imaginaition. Pardon the ambiguity. By 'verbal opponent' I meant that I would attempt to converse with you and hopefully answer some of your questions. As of yet, the plan you are refering to is only a rough outine. We have not yet managed to go over all of the finer points in our timeline due to the immensity of the task set before us. And, rightly so, our first concerns are how to get started to begin with. Just so you are aware, I agree with you somewhat on the land granting. I am of the opinion that rewards should be based upon merit, instead of 'helping your buddies'. But I shrink from the suggestion that we shall become as corrupt as you indicate. One of the main reasons for this guild is to combat(another ambiguity) and hopefully replace the current system of corruption that flows from the world's governments. I place some faith in mankinds goodness, and if people who truly want what's best for everyone vs. themselves are allowed to govern, I think they could do a wonderful job. Zorya: Far be it from me to shut anyone's mouth here. Discussion is at the heart of this plan at the moment, and chiming in opinions shouldn't be shouted down for anything. smile
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