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The protests of immigrants in the US are now continued to Europe as well. So should illigal immigrants receive leagal status? Can countries like US or France afford to do it?

What should be the approach to illigal immigration? What do you guys think?

Simple topic yes I know.
Just need to have a few more topics of discussion in the forum.

The problem is that not everyone in this country is against illegal immigration since illegal immigrants = cheap labor. The government needs to come down harder on businesses that hire illegal immigrants. If people don't want illegals in this country than we first have to make sure that we are not giving them a reason to want to be here.

I know!

they really put a lot of obstacles to be legal in your country.

I know inmigrants represent a lot of losts on the economy, and inmigration is something that US goverment couldn't and can't stop, but it must be, because the requirements they ask are something that just high class inmigrants can pay, and time that only people with no need to job can lost..

So the easy way: join illegal to the country.

But i think these are things that never will gonna change.

Well....since no one chooses where they're born, if they want to live in a better country I think they should be able to. (As long as they follow the laws and all that... sweatdrop )

Eurgh. Don't even get me started.
I live in Britain, Wales. I'm almost outraged at the amount of immigrants in Britain.
It's gotten to the point where "Mohammad" is the most popular name for a boy, or will be at the end of this year, according to yahoo news.
Which, I have no racial problem. But when people like my parents and it will be me some day, have to pay an outrageous amount of tax for the government to support these people who are just coming into our country and living from our outrageously comfy life style which we provide for them, and other people asking for benefits while they're perfectly fine. The dole is a bad idea.
Paying 40% of our hard earned money, because my parents earn over 40k a year.
For what? Free health? Clean roads? Scum to live off of our money and to bring up terrible children in most cases to believe thats fine? To bring up people who think the richer people are the scum? Thank you very much government but ******** you.

...Wait I went onto benefits. Oh well. >.>;

Get more places like Ellis and Angel island, so they don't have to be illegal.

Like on the Mexican border just put a building there so they can become an American citizen and get over it.

Morally, I'm intirely for immigration, i just don't think it has to be illegal.

People say "They steal our jobs," yeah, sure, if you want the s**t jobs of society.

People say, "They steal the money we pay in taxes," If they're illegal, then the most they're gonna get is the dole, if they're lucky. There are plenty of people born in the UK who are on the dole.

People say, "They're all criminals, we should kick them all ou." 1)If you treat people like criminals then it's pretty obvious that they're more likely to become criminals.
2)If you were in their shoes - i.e. you'd moved out of your country in order to lead some kind of half-way decent life, because in your country you're starving, it's dangerous to walk around on the streets and/or America is supposedly "Land Of The Free" whereas in your country you're not even allowed to speak out against whatever dictator you have, and you can't even have a tiny chance of getting in legally, because you don't have $100 to your name, let alone $1000, just for the fees to get in, let alone the prices of houses, which at least here in the UK are rising exponentially - what would you do? Just say, "Oh well, I can't get a better life legally, so I'll just stay here in squalor, where I'll probably die 20 years earlier than in the "Land of The Free" and my children probably won't even grow up." ? I think not.

However, i do believe that anyone trying to come into the country should have to follow the same rules as everyone else already living there, i.e. pay taxes, uphold themselves in soceity (not to say pull a job out of a hat - they should be supported until they can actually get a job, but obviously measues need to be taken to make sure that they are actually trying to get a job) etc.

I just have to say something to this post however. It's just morally wrong.



How dare those bastards try to make a decent life in a country that's supposed to be the epitome of freedom and equality!

[quote[It's gotten to the point where "Mohammad" is the most popular name for a boy, or will be at the end of this year, according to yahoo news.

So what? There are plenty of legal people living in the UK who call their kids Mohammad. This is entirely irrelevant, as it could just as easily be because Islam is a fast-growing religion.

Which, I have no racial problem. But when people like my parents and it will be me some day, have to pay an outrageous amount of tax for the government to support these people who are just coming into our country and living from our outrageously comfy life style which we provide for them, and other people asking for benefits while they're perfectly fine.

So how much of your hard-earned cash goes towards legal immigrants, compared to illegal immigrants, who are going to have a hard time getting any benefits at all, being illegal immigrants, and all of that compared to the entirely useless and unnecessary Trident project.



How dare we try to let people who aren't quite as well off as us survive!



No racial problem, eh? stare You do pay for free health and free roads. The children are only terrible because people like you expect them to be and treat them like the scum you say they are. Of course they're not going to be happy. What about when they're trying to get a job, and can't because they're "scum" and shouldn't be in our country, stealing out jobs. Would you just go home and say, "Oh well, I'm not going to be able to but food for my family for the next month." ? Or would you feel you had to resort to something against the law, simply because there's no other way for you to survive?



My parents aren't exactly poor, and i reckon that the very idea of rich and poor is sickening. If i had come to a country, been basically put into a ghetto, if not in name, then in reality, been unable to get a job because i was "scum," and didn't belong in the country, i'd get a bit bitter towards the richer bastards who made it that way.

Testify, my sister! My mother who was born out of the US had to go through all that including waiting 3 years to earn her citizenship. Though because of this, it also kinds of irk me that many who simply jumped the border can have the same benefits as my mother who worked hard for hers (though I must note she has never actually taken advantage of those benefits) *shrugs* Perhaps if the system was simplified and made immigration easier, this wouldn't be much of a problem seeing as they would be registered and would be having to pay taxes that the average citizen does.

Also, by the looks of it, it isn't the fact that they use government resources, but the culturial tolerance we have for them. In a lot of debates over this, I have either seen or heard someone mentioning that "it isn't fair how they can't understand us but we have to try to understand them" argument. Eh, but that's just an observation.