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 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:17 am
 On the news, I saw that they are putting hormones into cows so they can produce more cows.
Yep, hormones.
You might think that it's no big deal.
But....What if we get extra hormones which will mess with our periods(for girls...) and our growing system? What do you think will happen? Will it effect anybody?
I personally think that is just RETARDED. We havn't even researched about the effects on humans! And what if we run out of wheat? Then the cows will die, we'll have shortage of milk, bread, etc, and we won't get our nutritions. Not to mention we won't get any more cake! gonk >>
Discuss. <3
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:23 pm
There's an easy solution if you're worried: Don't drink cows milk. razz
I am fairly sure that hormones to enhance growth are already used in most animal farming (except possibly organic) - both in animals which are reared for meat and animals which are used to produce milk/eggs. You see, to the farmer, the animals are just milk or meat-making machines and if they grow faster and bigger they'll be more profitable much quicker. mad
As a vegan I don't need to worry about the health risks from all the hormones, chemicals and other s**t lurking in animal products.
By the way, the EU is considering lifting it's ban on feeding bits of dead cows and sheep to other cows and sheep (which are both naturally herbivores). This practice was banned because it is though to spread disease after the outbreak of Mad Cow Disease (CJD).
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:52 am
If you've eaten or drunk anything wrapped/covered/contained in plastic, you've already "put yourself at danger", due to pseudo-oestrogens that leak into the contained foodstuffs.
Offhand, I don't think much in the way of hormones ends up in the milk, otherwise drinking any milk of any sort would be damaging due to abnormal levels of hormones that control other, far more vital processes.
In short, a) I don't see you complaining about other, existing risks, and b) I doubt there's any risk capable of actually doing anything, unless you're the kind that drinks upward of 4 pints a day...
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:19 am
greatdevourer If you've eaten or drunk anything wrapped/covered/contained in plastic, you've already "put yourself at danger", due to pseudo-oestrogens that leak into the contained foodstuffs. Offhand, I don't think much in the way of hormones ends up in the milk, otherwise drinking any milk of any sort would be damaging due to abnormal levels of hormones that control other, far more vital processes. In short, a) I don't see you complaining about other, existing risks, and b) I doubt there's any risk capable of actually doing anything, unless you're the kind that drinks upward of 4 pints a day... I am actually agreeing with you here, I don't particularly see what you're complaining about because I seriously doubt that they would be using excessive amounts anyway, and unless you do drink LOADS it probably won't affect you. I mean, if you look at how many other chemicals they put in all your food then I doubt this will make much more of a difference anyway.
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:11 am
Badgerkin There's an easy solution if you're worried: Don't drink cows milk. razz I am fairly sure that hormones to enhance growth are already used in most animal farming (except possibly organic) - both in animals which are reared for meat and animals which are used to produce milk/eggs. You see, to the farmer, the animals are just milk or meat-making machines and if they grow faster and bigger they'll be more profitable much quicker. mad As a vegan I don't need to worry about the health risks from all the hormones, chemicals and other s**t lurking in animal products. By the way, the EU is considering lifting it's ban on feeding bits of dead cows and sheep to other cows and sheep (which are both naturally herbivores). This practice was banned because it is though to spread disease after the outbreak of Mad Cow Disease (CJD). I was disgusted when I heard about the consideration to lift the ban. It's so stupid. They found irrefutable links between many diseases and this practice. It's just capitalist politics. I'm quite worried about the excessive use of hormones. I heard about a study in an town whose women were experiencing fertility problems. It turned out that the filtration process wasn't adept enough in the town for tap water, and that the urine of women using the pill contained a hormone (Oestrogen, I think), and this went into the water supply, and traces were coming up through taps. Surely if this can happen, we should be hesitant about the implications of hormones? And, that, ladies and gentlemen is why I eat and drink organically.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:46 am
Le Aristocrat I'm quite worried about the excessive use of hormones. I heard about a study in an town whose women were experiencing fertility problems. It turned out that the filtration process wasn't adept enough in the town for tap water, and that the urine of women using the pill contained a hormone (Oestrogen, I think), and this went into the water supply, and traces were coming up through taps. Surely if this can happen, we should be hesitant about the implications of hormones? And, that, ladies and gentlemen is why I eat and drink organically. However, last time I checked, milk isn't urine. Urine is a waste product, and so naturally contains excess hormones. Milk, however, is meant for developing children, and thus mixing in hormones to a nutrient isn't the sort of thing the body would let itself do. Also, please tell how you drink organic water?
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Le Aristocrat Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:57 am
greatdevourer Le Aristocrat I'm quite worried about the excessive use of hormones. I heard about a study in an town whose women were experiencing fertility problems. It turned out that the filtration process wasn't adept enough in the town for tap water, and that the urine of women using the pill contained a hormone (Oestrogen, I think), and this went into the water supply, and traces were coming up through taps. Surely if this can happen, we should be hesitant about the implications of hormones? And, that, ladies and gentlemen is why I eat and drink organically. However, last time I checked, milk isn't urine. Urine is a waste product, and so naturally contains excess hormones. Milk, however, is meant for developing children, and thus mixing in hormones to a nutrient isn't the sort of thing the body would let itself do. Also, please tell how you drink organic water? I was just using that example to say what problems small traces of hormones can cause. If the hormones aren't supposed to be there, I'm not having it. And this also raises the moral implication - what possible right do we have to put hormones into another animal without their consent? And although I cannot drink organic water, my house has a special filtration system, so that all tap water is thoroughly cleaned and comes out with much less crap in it than normal tap water. Organic water doesn't exist, I don't think. I was referring to milk.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:41 pm
greatdevourer Le Aristocrat I'm quite worried about the excessive use of hormones. I heard about a study in an town whose women were experiencing fertility problems. It turned out that the filtration process wasn't adept enough in the town for tap water, and that the urine of women using the pill contained a hormone (Oestrogen, I think), and this went into the water supply, and traces were coming up through taps. Surely if this can happen, we should be hesitant about the implications of hormones? And, that, ladies and gentlemen is why I eat and drink organically. However, last time I checked, milk isn't urine. Urine is a waste product, and so naturally contains excess hormones. Milk, however, is meant for developing children, and thus mixing in hormones to a nutrient isn't the sort of thing the body would let itself do. Also, please tell how you drink organic water? I think harmful substances can get into milk. For example, in humans if the mother is a heroin user and she breastfeeds her baby then the baby will be an addict too. Other drugs including legal medications, illegal drugs and alcohol can be transmitted as well. Chemicals from cigarettes can be passed through breast milk. HIV can be given to the baby from breast feeding. It stands to reason that the same would apply to other mammals. A wild relative of the cow such as a buffalo would be eating organic grass and vegetation so there would be no risk of the milk being contaminated. A farm dairy cow, however is another story. Farms are more concerned with the quantity of milk produced for them to sell than the content/quality of it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:06 am
Badgerkin greatdevourer Le Aristocrat I'm quite worried about the excessive use of hormones. I heard about a study in an town whose women were experiencing fertility problems. It turned out that the filtration process wasn't adept enough in the town for tap water, and that the urine of women using the pill contained a hormone (Oestrogen, I think), and this went into the water supply, and traces were coming up through taps. Surely if this can happen, we should be hesitant about the implications of hormones? And, that, ladies and gentlemen is why I eat and drink organically. However, last time I checked, milk isn't urine. Urine is a waste product, and so naturally contains excess hormones. Milk, however, is meant for developing children, and thus mixing in hormones to a nutrient isn't the sort of thing the body would let itself do. Also, please tell how you drink organic water? I think harmful substances can get into milk. For example, in humans if the mother is a heroin user and she breastfeeds her baby then the baby will be an addict too. Other drugs including legal medications, illegal drugs and alcohol can be transmitted as well. Chemicals from cigarettes can be passed through breast milk. HIV can be given to the baby from breast feeding. It stands to reason that the same would apply to other mammals. A wild relative of the cow such as a buffalo would be eating organic grass and vegetation so there would be no risk of the milk being contaminated. A farm dairy cow, however is another story. Farms are more concerned with the quantity of milk produced for them to sell than the content/quality of it. However, those are foreign substances that the body doesn't know how to control. Hormones, however, are things that the body knows, creates and regulates, and as such, you really have to flood the host with them to get dangerous levels to leak into things meant for developing children. However, having done some reading, it appears that the OP doesn't seem to realise that there are hormones other than those that control sexual maturity. Yes, it is legal to give a cow synthetic oestrogen and progesterone, however, if they conform to the legal maximum, that's about 35ng per pint, and a human female produces in excess of 500000ng. For there to be a noticeable effect, you're probably dead already from all the fat you've ingested. The hormone that's really being added, BST, barely effects humans, is present in normal cows' milk and the difference in levels of BST found in normal cow vs super cow is so negligible that it's probably a procedural error
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:34 pm
Badgerkin There's an easy solution if you're worried: Don't drink cows milk. razz I am fairly sure that hormones to enhance growth are already used in most animal farming (except possibly organic) - both in animals which are reared for meat and animals which are used to produce milk/eggs. You see, to the farmer, the animals are just milk or meat-making machines and if they grow faster and bigger they'll be more profitable much quicker. mad As a vegan I don't need to worry about the health risks from all the hormones, chemicals and other s**t lurking in animal products. By the way, the EU is considering lifting it's ban on feeding bits of dead cows and sheep to other cows and sheep (which are both naturally herbivores). This practice was banned because it is though to spread disease after the outbreak of Mad Cow Disease (CJD). They do use hormones to enhance growth already. But this can be avoided by buying organic like you said. I dont eat a lot of meat anyway but if I do I prefer it to be organic and free range.
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:19 pm
I was just reading in the newspaper today about extra hormones in eggs because they feed the chickens hormones as well. However, if you keep yourself to eating 3~6 eggs only per week, the hormones shouldn't bother your body's natural hormones level noticeably.
Not to mention, obtaining natural eggs is pretty difficult here anyway. One has to contact the farm directly and preorder them...it's quite a hassle.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:45 am
Wings I was just reading in the newspaper today about extra hormones in eggs because they feed the chickens hormones as well. However, if you keep yourself to eating 3~6 eggs only per week, the hormones shouldn't bother your body's natural hormones level noticeably. Not to mention, obtaining natural eggs is pretty difficult here anyway. One has to contact the farm directly and preorder them...it's quite a hassle. I agree it can be a hassle, but I have my own chickens so I know their eggs are free range, organic and GM free. We sell them so our neighbours can have them too. Not only is it better, but they taste so much better that the shop bought!
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:14 pm
~Angelina Elven~ On the news, I saw that they are putting hormones into cows so they can produce more cows.
Yep, hormones.
You might think that it's no big deal.
But....What if we get extra hormones which will mess with our periods(for girls...) and our growing system? What do you think will happen? Will it effect anybody?
I personally think that is just RETARDED. We havn't even researched about the effects on humans! And what if we run out of wheat? Then the cows will die, we'll have shortage of milk, bread, etc, and we won't get our nutritions. Not to mention we won't get any more cake! gonk >>
Discuss. <3 duh, lol. This is old news. I've known girls in elementary skool effected by the hormones. They developed quicker,too. Simply just change to drinking Organic milk. That stuff can also be the reason why some people claim to be lactose intolerant. Its not the sugar lactose, its the chemicals and hormones they put in the cow unnaturally that is passed to us. My bro experienced this, so now he just drinks organic milk and hes healthy. yay organic, hippy cows! mrgreen
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